(04-06-2012 08:27 AM)mlb Wrote: I'm sorry... UConn knew for years the previous APR structure and they thumbed their nose at it. I'm not upset about them being banned now. UC had issues with their APR after Huggins and Kennedy left (thanks to them basically trying to kill the program) and Cronin recruited true student athletes.
I think the biggest joke in all of this is the one and dones.
NCAA: If the kids stays in school but doesn't make sufficient progress towards a degree, we'll punish you with a post season ban. These are student athletes and eduction comes first!
NCAA: If a kid stays for a year and really has no intention of earning a degree or getting a college education, we won't do anything about it. Using a college program as a 9 month pit stop for the NBA is exactly what the word student athlete is all about!
(04-06-2012 08:34 AM)TexanMark Wrote: Like Yancy Gates?
He is getting his degree. He has stayed for 4 years. So yes, a true student athlete. I don't care about the fight... the guy has never been arrested, has never been in trouble before that game, and has walked away from several fights over the years with Kenny Frease (the guy he punched).
Hell, 2 years ago Frease headbutted Gates in the middle of the game, caused Gates to come out to get cleaned up. Did Gates fight then? No. Gates got a bad reputation from 1 game... and it was a HUGE mistake.
(This post was last modified: 04-06-2012 09:27 AM by mlb.)
(04-06-2012 08:39 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote: I think the biggest joke in all of this is the one and dones.
NCAA: If the kids stays in school but doesn't make sufficient progress towards a degree, we'll punish you with a post season ban. These are student athletes and eduction comes first!
NCAA: If a kid stays for a year and really has no intention of earning a degree or getting a college education, we won't do anything about it. Using a college program as a 9 month pit stop for the NBA is exactly what the word student athlete is all about!
The NCAA punishes schools for the 1 year student athlete. UC's APR isn't 1000 because of Lance Stephenson. Otherwise it would have been perfect.
(04-06-2012 08:39 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote: I think the biggest joke in all of this is the one and dones.
NCAA: If the kids stays in school but doesn't make sufficient progress towards a degree, we'll punish you with a post season ban. These are student athletes and eduction comes first!
NCAA: If a kid stays for a year and really has no intention of earning a degree or getting a college education, we won't do anything about it. Using a college program as a 9 month pit stop for the NBA is exactly what the word student athlete is all about!
The NCAA punishes schools for the 1 year student athlete. UC's APR isn't 1000 because of Lance Stephenson. Otherwise it would have been perfect.
It also punishes for coach's running players off...but the rule still sucks and hits the top 30 programs the hardest.
It's all the fault of the NBA, Mark. If they would consider the colleges, they'd take players that have no interest in college into their developmental league, and kids that go to college would be committed until they earn their degrees, or expend their eligibility...
(This post was last modified: 04-06-2012 09:22 AM by bitcruncher.)
(04-06-2012 09:22 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: It's all the fault of the NBA, Mark. If they would consider the colleges, they'd take players that have no interest in college into their developmental league, and kids that go to college would be committed until they earn their degrees, or expend their eligibility...
The top tier players would still go the college route. Think about Anthony Davis from Kentucky. He got so much exposure during the NCAA tournament, he's goign to be able to make a lot of money from endorsments. He's not going to get that exposure playing in the NBDL. He's just not.
A few SWAC schools have already been banned from the postseason, would be totally unfair for UCONN to escape the penalties. A school with the resources of UCONN should have never been in this position to begin with.
(04-06-2012 09:22 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: It's all the fault of the NBA, Mark. If they would consider the colleges, they'd take players that have no interest in college into their developmental league, and kids that go to college would be committed until they earn their degrees, or expend their eligibility...
The top tier players would still go the college route. Think about Anthony Davis from Kentucky. He got so much exposure during the NCAA tournament, he's goign to be able to make a lot of money from endorsments. He's not going to get that exposure playing in the NBDL. He's just not.
My point is if a kid accepts a scholarship to a school, he should be committing himself to getting an education. If he has no interest in getting an education and is only there for exposure, he should be in the NBA developmental league - not a university. A university is supposed to be for somebody who wants an education...
If they want exposure to people in the NBA, the NBA has a developmental league. Let 'em use it for the purpose of developing players...
(This post was last modified: 04-06-2012 12:21 PM by bitcruncher.)
(04-06-2012 09:22 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: It's all the fault of the NBA, Mark. If they would consider the colleges, they'd take players that have no interest in college into their developmental league, and kids that go to college would be committed until they earn their degrees, or expend their eligibility...
The top tier players would still go the college route. Think about Anthony Davis from Kentucky. He got so much exposure during the NCAA tournament, he's goign to be able to make a lot of money from endorsments. He's not going to get that exposure playing in the NBDL. He's just not.
My point is if a kid accepts a scholarship to a school, he should be committing himself to getting an education. If he has no interest in getting an education and is only there for exposure, he should be in the NBA developmental league - not a university. A university is supposed to be for somebody who wants an education...
If they want exposure to people in the NBA, the NBA has a developmental league. Let 'em use it for the purpose of developing players...
I agree with you. I'm just saying the kids themselves look at going to college where they can market themselves for the future on TV 15+ times instead of the NBDL where they don't get any visability at all. Until the NBDL gets mass publicity(which is never going to happen)- that isn't going to change.
(04-06-2012 08:27 AM)mlb Wrote: I'm sorry... UConn knew for years the previous APR structure and they thumbed their nose at it. I'm not upset about them being banned now. UC had issues with their APR after Huggins and Kennedy left (thanks to them basically trying to kill the program) and Cronin recruited true student athletes.
Like Yancy Gates?
Oh ye who live in glass houses.
BTW, every kid has graduated since Cronin got hired in 06'. Think he is now 15 for 15. 2 kids transfered and one went to the NBA after one year but each left in good standing.
(04-06-2012 08:27 AM)mlb Wrote: I'm sorry... UConn knew for years the previous APR structure and they thumbed their nose at it. I'm not upset about them being banned now. UC had issues with their APR after Huggins and Kennedy left (thanks to them basically trying to kill the program) and Cronin recruited true student athletes.
Like Yancy Gates?
Oh ye who live in glass houses.
BTW, every kid has graduated since Cronin got hired in 06'. Think he is now 15 for 15. 2 kids transfered and one went to the NBA after one year but each left in good standing.
BTW II, how is Fab doing?
I wasn't the one who made the initial statement...just brought up a student athlete who assaulted another person.
(04-06-2012 08:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote: It also punishes for coach's running players off...but the rule still sucks and hits the top 30 programs the hardest.
Not really. UConn is the only one of the last 12 schools declared insligible to be at the BCS-comparable level. No one seems too concerned when Portland State, Grambling or Louisiana-Monroe are declared ineligible.
(This post was last modified: 04-06-2012 08:30 PM by DFW HOYA.)
Congress is taking a look at NCAA now. UCONN is not taking this laying down. I don't have any issue with harder academic requirements, but I do have an issue making a rule going back to a year when the rule wasn't in effect.
Quote:The NCAA approved rules in October requiring a school have a two-year average score of 930 or a four-year average of 900 on the NCAA’s annual Academic Progress Rate, which measures the academic performance of student-athletes, in order to qualify for the 2013 postseason tournament.
Connecticut’s men’s basketball program scored 826 for the 2009-10 school year. UConn’s score for 2010-11 was 978. That would not be high enough. It would give Connecticut a two-year score of 902 and a four-year score of below 890.
But if more recent scores were used, UConn could be part of March Madness in 2013. Athletic director Warde Manuel said the men’s basketball team had a perfect APR score last semester.
Manuel said UConn supports tougher academic standards, but does not support applying them retroactively to scores that had been recorded before the rule was in effect.
“The approach to APR marks the first time in the history of the NCAA that it has ever implemented an academic rule significantly impacting current student-athletes without allowing the members time to adjust to the adoption of the legislation,” Manuel said Thursday.
(This post was last modified: 04-07-2012 11:26 AM by SF Husky.)
(04-07-2012 12:15 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: UConn seems to cause rule changes by NCAA. If my memory serves me right the fair catch rule in football was just changed because of UConn.
Did they change the rule where refs can ignore touch in the back too? You might want to watch this video before you keep going on about this event that happened years ago.
(04-07-2012 11:23 AM)SF Husky Wrote: Congress is taking a look at NCAA now. UCONN is not taking this laying down. I don't have any issue with harder academic requirements, but I do have an issue making a rule going back to a year when the rule wasn't in effect.
Quote:The NCAA approved rules in October requiring a school have a two-year average score of 930 or a four-year average of 900 on the NCAA’s annual Academic Progress Rate, which measures the academic performance of student-athletes, in order to qualify for the 2013 postseason tournament.
Connecticut’s men’s basketball program scored 826 for the 2009-10 school year. UConn’s score for 2010-11 was 978. That would not be high enough. It would give Connecticut a two-year score of 902 and a four-year score of below 890.
But if more recent scores were used, UConn could be part of March Madness in 2013. Athletic director Warde Manuel said the men’s basketball team had a perfect APR score last semester.
Manuel said UConn supports tougher academic standards, but does not support applying them retroactively to scores that had been recorded before the rule was in effect.
“The approach to APR marks the first time in the history of the NCAA that it has ever implemented an academic rule significantly impacting current student-athletes without allowing the members time to adjust to the adoption of the legislation,” Manuel said Thursday.
