It's great that Vladimir Emilien will have two years to shine in Midnight Blue and Gold.

As for the Rockets having two very good QBs is a mega plus for our offense. QB injuries are a fact of college football. Knowing that if one goes down there will be very little, if any, drop off in productions. Very few teams, MAC or otherwise, are in such a positive position. I still don't know why this is the not the norm in more programs. Multiple RBs and WRs are used in rotation. Being able to do so at the QB position, IMO, is a HUGE plus.

Plantation High is Central Broward County(West Ft Lauderdale) about 30-35 miles from Miami. Not exactly what I would call close to the Magic City.

(04-03-2012 10:02 AM)toledo1 Wrote:  EA makes a point there, that was some awful defense, Ive never thought either of our QBs were in command, or had great physical abilities. We have had weapons to help them, not sure they could carry an offense. Having said that I think they (Owens) could make a move this year to the next level.

What next level? Owens is the nation's #1 returning passer statistically.

Last season NCAA Passer Efficiency Rating:
1) Russell Wilson Sr. 191.79
2) Robert Griffin III Sr. 189.43
3) Kellen Moore Sr. 175.19
4) Case Keenum Sr. 174.03
5) Andrew Luck Sr. 169.69
6) Terrance Owens Soph. 169.24

Confused as to why Emilien wasn't granted a redshirt for the 2010 season. He played in one game. Is it because he left the program and didn't get a redshirt from Michigan? Could he have claimed he had injury issues that forced him to leave because of pain he felt while playing in that game. I guess he had one full season at Michigan and 1 game in another - and has 2 left to play for Toledo. Not an ideal situation for him - but not much that could be done.

Curious as to why he ended up leaving Michigan after that one game. Was he not getting enough playing time in the game or was it an issue with RichRod. That did not seem to be clear because he talked about the motivation for playing against him, but RR said he was a fine young man when he transferred out. Regardless, glad we have him.

(04-03-2012 11:10 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:02 AM)toledo1 Wrote:  EA makes a point there, that was some awful defense, Ive never thought either of our QBs were in command, or had great physical abilities. We have had weapons to help them, not sure they could carry an offense. Having said that I think they (Owens) could make a move this year to the next level.

What next level? Owens is the nation's #1 returning passer statistically.

Last season NCAA Passer Efficiency Rating:
1) Russell Wilson Sr. 191.79
2) Robert Griffin III Sr. 189.43
3) Kellen Moore Sr. 175.19
4) Case Keenum Sr. 174.03
5) Andrew Luck Sr. 169.69
6) Terrance Owens Soph. 169.24

If passer efficiency is the only statistic you want to account for...then yes, "Owen's is the nation's #1 returning passer statistically."

(04-03-2012 11:10 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:02 AM)toledo1 Wrote:  EA makes a point there, that was some awful defense, Ive never thought either of our QBs were in command, or had great physical abilities. We have had weapons to help them, not sure they could carry an offense. Having said that I think they (Owens) could make a move this year to the next level.

What next level? Owens is the nation's #1 returning passer statistically.

Last season NCAA Passer Efficiency Rating:
1) Russell Wilson Sr. 191.79
2) Robert Griffin III Sr. 189.43
3) Kellen Moore Sr. 175.19
4) Case Keenum Sr. 174.03
5) Andrew Luck Sr. 169.69
6) Terrance Owens Soph. 169.24

Throwing the ball downfield once in awhile, his passer rating is skewed(?) by the short passing game we use. Didnt you hold your breath when he threw deep, outs, over the middle. No team threw short like the Rockets, it worked, we didnt put Qbs in spot they couldnt handle.

(04-04-2012 10:33 AM)toledo1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:10 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:02 AM)toledo1 Wrote:  EA makes a point there, that was some awful defense, Ive never thought either of our QBs were in command, or had great physical abilities. We have had weapons to help them, not sure they could carry an offense. Having said that I think they (Owens) could make a move this year to the next level.

What next level? Owens is the nation's #1 returning passer statistically.

Last season NCAA Passer Efficiency Rating:
1) Russell Wilson Sr. 191.79
2) Robert Griffin III Sr. 189.43
3) Kellen Moore Sr. 175.19
4) Case Keenum Sr. 174.03
5) Andrew Luck Sr. 169.69
6) Terrance Owens Soph. 169.24

Throwing the ball downfield once in awhile, his passer rating is skewed(?) by the short passing game we use. Didnt you hold your breath when he threw deep, outs, over the middle. No team threw short like the Rockets, it worked, we didnt put Qbs in spot they couldnt handle.

Dantin's much more so than Owens. I hold my breath on every throw but that's because I'm Woody Hayesian in my feelings about passing. Prefer to run. Both guys make pretty good decisions and Owens seems much better than he did as a frosh.

Efficiency ratings are misleading. Just a coincidence that Luck and Griffin, expected to go 1-2 in the NFL draft, are both in the top 5 of that category.

If Owens could add about 10-15 lbs of muscle on his frame (or more) - look out. He would become a much more dangerous option in the offense and his already strong arm would become an even greater asset to him. He's 6'3" and barely scratching 190lbs - if that. At 6'3" around 215 - he avoids more sacks and becomes a much bigger threat to take off running and less likely to sustain injuries.

I saw Owens this winter, he is 6'5, a specimen, he could be special if he develops some touch. He isnt the fastest guy around though, I wonder what his 40 time is?

(04-04-2012 08:06 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:10 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:02 AM)toledo1 Wrote:  EA makes a point there, that was some awful defense, Ive never thought either of our QBs were in command, or had great physical abilities. We have had weapons to help them, not sure they could carry an offense. Having said that I think they (Owens) could make a move this year to the next level.

What next level? Owens is the nation's #1 returning passer statistically.

Last season NCAA Passer Efficiency Rating:
1) Russell Wilson Sr. 191.79
2) Robert Griffin III Sr. 189.43
3) Kellen Moore Sr. 175.19
4) Case Keenum Sr. 174.03
5) Andrew Luck Sr. 169.69
6) Terrance Owens Soph. 169.24

If passer efficiency is the only statistic you want to account for...then yes, "Owen's is the nation's #1 returning passer statistically."

PER uses attempts, completions, passing yards, TD's, and interceptions-probably the best indicator of a successful passing attack.

If the sample size is comparable to everyone else...sure...I'll buy that.

But when you put him on a list with QBs who took 95% of their teams snaps....and he only took 50% of his teams snaps....it's pretty misleading.

It's similar to someone winning a batting title because they got just enough at bats to qualify. What's more impressive?

.330 average in 600 at bats
.333 average in 320 at bats

Can you really assume that the second player can continue his impressive stats? 50/50 shot at best IMO.

Either way, your system worked pretty darn well.

Well, I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing what Vlad does on the field this year. From what I've read about him I get the impression he is a man of good character, and even though he hasn't been able to contribute on the field yet, a person like that can have a positive impact in other ways. I'm looking forward to hearing more about him. I think he'll end up being one of those people who makes not only the team, but also our community a better place.

And by the way...talk about hijacking a thread you guys.

I'm just hoping that by midway through the season, we'll be calling him Vlad the Impaler like we had hoped.

(04-04-2012 08:01 PM)EA3 Wrote:  If the sample size is comparable to everyone else...sure...I'll buy that.

But when you put him on a list with QBs who took 95% of their teams snaps....and he only took 50% of his teams snaps....it's pretty misleading.

It's similar to someone winning a batting title because they got just enough at bats to qualify. What's more impressive?

.330 average in 600 at bats
.333 average in 320 at bats

Can you really assume that the second player can continue his impressive stats? 50/50 shot at best IMO.

Either way, your system worked pretty darn well.

Nation's #9 Offense and #8 Scoring Offense isn't too bad.

(04-04-2012 08:01 PM)EA3 Wrote:  If the sample size is comparable to everyone else...sure...I'll buy that.

But when you put him on a list with QBs who took 95% of their teams snaps....and he only took 50% of his teams snaps....it's pretty misleading.

It's similar to someone winning a batting title because they got just enough at bats to qualify. What's more impressive?

.330 average in 600 at bats
.333 average in 320 at bats

Can you really assume that the second player can continue his impressive stats? 50/50 shot at best IMO.

Either way, your system worked pretty darn well.

I'd take 2 guys playing the same position and hitting .333 in 640 at bats. The other side of the argument has always been that a 2-qb system doesn't allow a guy to get into his rhythm during a game - or to remain consistent for the season. This isn't a situation where one guy is coming off the bench and throwing the ball around the field against a 2nd team defense during a blow-out.

(04-05-2012 09:53 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 08:01 PM)EA3 Wrote:  If the sample size is comparable to everyone else...sure...I'll buy that.

But when you put him on a list with QBs who took 95% of their teams snaps....and he only took 50% of his teams snaps....it's pretty misleading.

It's similar to someone winning a batting title because they got just enough at bats to qualify. What's more impressive?

.330 average in 600 at bats
.333 average in 320 at bats

Can you really assume that the second player can continue his impressive stats? 50/50 shot at best IMO.

Either way, your system worked pretty darn well.

I'd take 2 guys playing the same position and hitting .333 in 640 at bats. The other side of the argument has always been that a 2-qb system doesn't allow a guy to get into his rhythm during a game - or to remain consistent for the season. This isn't a situation where one guy is coming off the bench and throwing the ball around the field against a 2nd team defense during a blow-out.

I totally understand that...which is why I think Beckmann deserves a lot of credit for how he handled the two guys. He killed it.