Awful, awful hire.

Davis is not a leader of men. He deflects academic and recruiting responsibilities almost exclusively.

His issues have been well documented. He single-handedly detroyed a program with a respectable basketball tradition.

Those clowns in Mount Pleasant are going to be in the basement of the MAC West for a long time.

(04-03-2012 11:17 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:40 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:09 AM)EA3 Wrote:  I don't know about you guys...but I'm looking forward to witnessing the debacle in Mt. Pleasant for at least another 3 years.

Check out the lengthy Providence comment that I cut and pasted onto our board...via the CMU rivals board.

It does not paint a pretty picture of Keno.

Should we take bets on who gets canned first? Keno, Enos or Heeke?

Could not disagree more with regards to Keno Davis. Dan Enos is in over his head as football coach, so my money would be on Enos. If I was a WMU fan, I'd worry MORE about your lame basketball coach and program.

Wow.

What on earth gives you any inclination that Keno is a good hire? After reading multiple opinions on the guy, I'd say about 90% think he is a bad hire? Whether or not that proves to be true...only time will tell.

That lame bball coach has owned EMU over the last nine years. Kudos to Murphy and Co. for beating us twice this year, I'm really looking forward to the 2013 matchups next year.

Because I lived in Des Moines and WATCHED Keno Davis coach Drake for 5 years. Drake is an UNWINNABLE situation and he brought it to a TOP 15 level, 28-5 record and National Coach of the Year. Make no mistake, he was coaching that team the entire time his dad, Tom was listed as "head coach." I saw him take point guard Adam Emmenecker, a former walk-on and 12th man under Tom Davis to Missouri Valley player of the year. I lived across the street from Drake's campus and visited the Knapp Center numerous times for games. I saw their arena filled with 7,000 screaming fans. I saw a team that played exciting, smart basketball with numerous 3 pointers and very few turnovers. I was a HUGE Drake Bulldogs fans. I watched them own the University of Iowa and Iowa State in basketball. I trust my basketball knowledge on this situation over those who just read stuff written by disgruntled Providence "fans" who haven't had a good team in ages.

NO ONE could have won at Providence in the 3 years that Davis was there, yet he had a winning overall record. You can think what you want but Hawkins at Western is not even in the same stratosphere as Keno Davis and you will see for yourself in the coming seasons.

(04-03-2012 11:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:17 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:40 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:09 AM)EA3 Wrote:  I don't know about you guys...but I'm looking forward to witnessing the debacle in Mt. Pleasant for at least another 3 years.

Check out the lengthy Providence comment that I cut and pasted onto our board...via the CMU rivals board.

It does not paint a pretty picture of Keno.

Should we take bets on who gets canned first? Keno, Enos or Heeke?

Could not disagree more with regards to Keno Davis. Dan Enos is in over his head as football coach, so my money would be on Enos. If I was a WMU fan, I'd worry MORE about your lame basketball coach and program.

Wow.

What on earth gives you any inclination that Keno is a good hire? After reading multiple opinions on the guy, I'd say about 90% think he is a bad hire? Whether or not that proves to be true...only time will tell.

That lame bball coach has owned EMU over the last nine years. Kudos to Murphy and Co. for beating us twice this year, I'm really looking forward to the 2013 matchups next year.

Because I lived in Des Moines and WATCHED Keno Davis coach Drake for 5 years. Drake is an UNWINNABLE situation and he brought it to a TOP 15 level, 28-5 record and National Coach of the Year. Make no mistake, he was coaching that team the entire time his dad, Tom was listed as "head coach." I saw him take point guard Adam Emmenecker, a former walk-on and 12th man under Tom Davis to Missouri Valley player of the year. I lived across the street from Drake's campus and visited the Knapp Center numerous times for games. I saw their arena filled with 7,000 screaming fans. I saw a team that played exciting, smart basketball with numerous 3 pointers and very few turnovers. I was a HUGE Drake Bulldogs fans. I watched them own the University of Iowa and Iowa State in basketball. I trust my basketball knowledge on this situation over those who just read stuff written by disgruntled Providence "fans" who haven't had a good team in ages.

NO ONE could have won at Providence in the 3 years that Davis was there, yet he had a winning overall record. You can think what you want but Hawkins at Western is not even in the same stratosphere as Keno Davis and you will see for yourself in the coming seasons.

LOL. You're dead wrong about this.

(04-03-2012 11:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:17 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:40 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:09 AM)EA3 Wrote:  I don't know about you guys...but I'm looking forward to witnessing the debacle in Mt. Pleasant for at least another 3 years.

Check out the lengthy Providence comment that I cut and pasted onto our board...via the CMU rivals board.

It does not paint a pretty picture of Keno.

Should we take bets on who gets canned first? Keno, Enos or Heeke?

Could not disagree more with regards to Keno Davis. Dan Enos is in over his head as football coach, so my money would be on Enos. If I was a WMU fan, I'd worry MORE about your lame basketball coach and program.

Wow.

What on earth gives you any inclination that Keno is a good hire? After reading multiple opinions on the guy, I'd say about 90% think he is a bad hire? Whether or not that proves to be true...only time will tell.

That lame bball coach has owned EMU over the last nine years. Kudos to Murphy and Co. for beating us twice this year, I'm really looking forward to the 2013 matchups next year.

NO ONE could have won at Providence in the 3 years that Davis was there, yet he had a winning overall record. You can think what you want but Hawkins at Western is not even in the same stratosphere as Keno Davis and you will see for yourself in the coming seasons.

Disagree there. He brought some big time recruits into Providence and had one of the best players in the Big East (MarShon Brooks) and he STILL couldn't get them out of the cellar. No excuses can be made for his tenure at Providence. He was a terrible coach and had ZERO control over the players.

And to say Hawkins isn't in the same stratosphere is unreasonable. Keno has four years of head coaching experience. One was a terrific season in the weakest MVC in the last decade, and the other 3 were disasters. I don't think much of Hawkins, but he had been pretty consistent at providing a competitive product on the court. And his issues with team control are minimal in comparison to Davis's at PC.

I don't know if there is a more controversial hire that could have been made by CMU.

Drake's record has been the following in the 4 years he left

18-16 2011-12
13-18 2010-11
14-19 2009-10
17-16 2008-09

How is that "unwinnable"?

It's not about Prividence not having a good team in the 3 seasons he coached them...it's more about the off the court problems that occured frequently under his watch.

(04-03-2012 11:49 AM)EA3 Wrote:  I don't know if there is a more controversial hire that could have been made by CMU.

Drake's record has been the following in the 4 years he left

18-16 2011-12
13-18 2010-11
14-19 2009-10
17-16 2008-09

How is that "unwinnable"?

It's not about Prividence not having a good team in the 3 seasons he coached them...it's more about the off the court problems that occured frequently under his watch.

You kind of reinforced my point with Drake's records since he left. For real fun, you should have seen what Drake's records were prior to Tom and Keno Davis, oh and you can use a sample size going back to say, 1971. It was always known that you can't win at Drake.

(04-03-2012 11:38 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:17 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:40 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:09 AM)EA3 Wrote:  I don't know about you guys...but I'm looking forward to witnessing the debacle in Mt. Pleasant for at least another 3 years.

Check out the lengthy Providence comment that I cut and pasted onto our board...via the CMU rivals board.

It does not paint a pretty picture of Keno.

Should we take bets on who gets canned first? Keno, Enos or Heeke?

Could not disagree more with regards to Keno Davis. Dan Enos is in over his head as football coach, so my money would be on Enos. If I was a WMU fan, I'd worry MORE about your lame basketball coach and program.

Wow.

What on earth gives you any inclination that Keno is a good hire? After reading multiple opinions on the guy, I'd say about 90% think he is a bad hire? Whether or not that proves to be true...only time will tell.

That lame bball coach has owned EMU over the last nine years. Kudos to Murphy and Co. for beating us twice this year, I'm really looking forward to the 2013 matchups next year.

Because I lived in Des Moines and WATCHED Keno Davis coach Drake for 5 years. Drake is an UNWINNABLE situation and he brought it to a TOP 15 level, 28-5 record and National Coach of the Year. Make no mistake, he was coaching that team the entire time his dad, Tom was listed as "head coach." I saw him take point guard Adam Emmenecker, a former walk-on and 12th man under Tom Davis to Missouri Valley player of the year. I lived across the street from Drake's campus and visited the Knapp Center numerous times for games. I saw their arena filled with 7,000 screaming fans. I saw a team that played exciting, smart basketball with numerous 3 pointers and very few turnovers. I was a HUGE Drake Bulldogs fans. I watched them own the University of Iowa and Iowa State in basketball. I trust my basketball knowledge on this situation over those who just read stuff written by disgruntled Providence "fans" who haven't had a good team in ages.

NO ONE could have won at Providence in the 3 years that Davis was there, yet he had a winning overall record. You can think what you want but Hawkins at Western is not even in the same stratosphere as Keno Davis and you will see for yourself in the coming seasons.

LOL. You're dead wrong about this.

How the f*#k would you know? You've never watched a Drake or Providence game in your life.

(04-03-2012 11:44 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:17 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:40 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:09 AM)EA3 Wrote:  I don't know about you guys...but I'm looking forward to witnessing the debacle in Mt. Pleasant for at least another 3 years.

Check out the lengthy Providence comment that I cut and pasted onto our board...via the CMU rivals board.

It does not paint a pretty picture of Keno.

Should we take bets on who gets canned first? Keno, Enos or Heeke?

Could not disagree more with regards to Keno Davis. Dan Enos is in over his head as football coach, so my money would be on Enos. If I was a WMU fan, I'd worry MORE about your lame basketball coach and program.

Wow.

What on earth gives you any inclination that Keno is a good hire? After reading multiple opinions on the guy, I'd say about 90% think he is a bad hire? Whether or not that proves to be true...only time will tell.

That lame bball coach has owned EMU over the last nine years. Kudos to Murphy and Co. for beating us twice this year, I'm really looking forward to the 2013 matchups next year.

NO ONE could have won at Providence in the 3 years that Davis was there, yet he had a winning overall record. You can think what you want but Hawkins at Western is not even in the same stratosphere as Keno Davis and you will see for yourself in the coming seasons.

Disagree there. He brought some big time recruits into Providence and had one of the best players in the Big East (MarShon Brooks) and he STILL couldn't get them out of the cellar. No excuses can be made for his tenure at Providence. He was a terrible coach and had ZERO control over the players.

And to say Hawkins isn't in the same stratosphere is unreasonable. Keno has four years of head coaching experience. One was a terrific season in the weakest MVC in the last decade, and the other 3 were disasters. I don't think much of Hawkins, but he had been pretty consistent at providing a competitive product on the court. And his issues with team control are minimal in comparison to Davis's at PC.

Uh, just so you know, every team in the Big East has big time recruits, Providence just happened to have far fewer. Oh, and the players in trouble were inherited.

You can't call a situation "unwinnable" when they've gone 7 games under .500 in 4 years total. If they posted single digit wins in two of those years, then yeah, I would agree with you. It's not like they are light years away from having a winning record and/or 20 win campaigns. You talk like Drake is gonna go 4-26 or 8-22 every year.

And giving credit to Keno when his dad was in fact the coach is ridiculous. Lots of people are great assistants, and end up being horrible head coaches.

The problem players weren't all inherited. I'd get your facts straight.

Oh dear, someone is wrong on the Internet.

(04-03-2012 12:47 PM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  Oh dear, someone is wrong on the Internet.

A little mad because your program just hired a lightning rod?

we'll find out in a few years how good he is at CMU. as miserable as it is to type this, hopefully he does better than Zeigler. i'd like to see all MAC schools do well and i think it would benefit EMU in the long run.

publicly stating that i want Central to do well is hard work.

Dear EMUAARON,
You certainly have a right to your opinion of Central doing well, but as I stated a long time ago, ever since Central voted to kick us out of the MAC back in 1984, I hope their athletic teams do badly, I don't care what the sport. They also think they are God's gift to the MAC, and wouldn't give Eastern the time of day. So, if this hire becomes a disaster for Central, I couldn't be happier.

On February 24, 2009, Davis coached Providence to possibly the biggest win of his coaching career, knocking off Pittsburgh, who were at the time were ranked #1 in the AP Poll. In his first season at Providence, Davis led the team to an 18–12 regular season record, which also included a win over #15 Syracuse, a 10–8 Big East Conference record, and a win in the 2009 Big East Men's Basketball Tournament before losing to eventual champion Louisville. The Friars were then defeated in the first round of the 2009 National Invitation Tournament by Miami.

However, in 2009–10, Davis' team posted statistically the worst defensive performance in Big East history en route to a 12–19 finish. The 11-game losing streak to end the season led into a disastrous 2010 spring for Davis, who dismissed his leading scorer from the previous season in Jamine Peterson, had two of his players (James Still and Johnnie Lacy) arrested and dismissed or transferred, lost an assistant coach (Pat Skerry) to another Big East job, and had a top recruit from his 2010 (Joe Young) and 2011 (Naadir Tharpe) classes decommit. Davis later lost a top class of 2012 recruit and Rhode Island native Ricky Ledo, who gave Providence a verbal commitment in December 2010, only to rescind his commitment in January 2011.

In 2010–11, Davis coached Division I's second-leading scorer, forward Marshon Brooks for his senior season. However, the Friars could not improve on their conference record from the previous season, finishing 4–14 and 14th in the conference standings.

Davis was fired by Providence on March 11, 2011, despite five years remaining on his contract. He finished with an 18–36 conference record and 46–50 overall record in three seasons


Yep a sterling performance.

(04-03-2012 12:16 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:38 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  [quote='EA3' pid='7754740' dateline='1333469832']
[quote='Bob Wickersham' pid='7754583' dateline='1333467602']


NO ONE could have won at Providence in the 3 years that Davis was there, yet he had a winning overall record. You can think what you want but Hawkins at Western is not even in the same stratosphere as Keno Davis and you will see for yourself in the coming seasons.

LOL. You're dead wrong about this.

How the f*#k would you know? You've never watched a Drake or Providence game in your life.

Wow. Just another thing that you're wrong about. Don't stop- you're on a roll.

Your basketball knowledge is about as extensive as the quality of your posts.

You suck, Bobby.

(04-03-2012 12:40 PM)EA3 Wrote:  You can't call a situation "unwinnable" when they've gone 7 games under .500 in 4 years total. If they posted single digit wins in two of those years, then yeah, I would agree with you. It's not like they are light years away from having a winning record and/or 20 win campaigns. You talk like Drake is gonna go 4-26 or 8-22 every year.

And giving credit to Keno when his dad was in fact the coach is ridiculous. Lots of people are great assistants, and end up being horrible head coaches.

The problem players weren't all inherited. I'd get your facts straight.

Don't tell Bobby he's wrong. He'll just make up some other "facts" to refute you.

(04-03-2012 07:02 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 12:16 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:38 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 11:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  [quote='EA3' pid='7754740' dateline='1333469832']
[quote='Bob Wickersham' pid='7754583' dateline='1333467602']


NO ONE could have won at Providence in the 3 years that Davis was there, yet he had a winning overall record. You can think what you want but Hawkins at Western is not even in the same stratosphere as Keno Davis and you will see for yourself in the coming seasons.

LOL. You're dead wrong about this.

How the f*#k would you know? You've never watched a Drake or Providence game in your life.

Wow. Just another thing that you're wrong about. Don't stop- you're on a roll.

Your basketball knowledge is about as extensive as the quality of your posts.

You suck, Bobby.

I suck? That's funny coming from a Walmart Wolverine like yourself. I've forgotten more about basketball than you have ever known. Oh and I still play, so if you ever want to get off the couch and do something athletic, let me know.

(04-03-2012 02:18 PM)emu79 Wrote:  On February 24, 2009, Davis coached Providence to possibly the biggest win of his coaching career, knocking off Pittsburgh, who were at the time were ranked #1 in the AP Poll. In his first season at Providence, Davis led the team to an 18–12 regular season record, which also included a win over #15 Syracuse, a 10–8 Big East Conference record, and a win in the 2009 Big East Men's Basketball Tournament before losing to eventual champion Louisville. The Friars were then defeated in the first round of the 2009 National Invitation Tournament by Miami.

However, in 2009–10, Davis' team posted statistically the worst defensive performance in Big East history en route to a 12–19 finish. The 11-game losing streak to end the season led into a disastrous 2010 spring for Davis, who dismissed his leading scorer from the previous season in Jamine Peterson, had two of his players (James Still and Johnnie Lacy) arrested and dismissed or transferred, lost an assistant coach (Pat Skerry) to another Big East job, and had a top recruit from his 2010 (Joe Young) and 2011 (Naadir Tharpe) classes decommit. Davis later lost a top class of 2012 recruit and Rhode Island native Ricky Ledo, who gave Providence a verbal commitment in December 2010, only to rescind his commitment in January 2011.

In 2010–11, Davis coached Division I's second-leading scorer, forward Marshon Brooks for his senior season. However, the Friars could not improve on their conference record from the previous season, finishing 4–14 and 14th in the conference standings.

Davis was fired by Providence on March 11, 2011, despite five years remaining on his contract. He finished with an 18–36 conference record and 46–50 overall record in three seasons


Yep a sterling performance.

I believe he's the first National Coach of the Year in the MAC.

Cool! Guess what? You're still wrong! You can try to bully me if you want, but it doesn't change the truth - it's a bad hire, and informed people know it.

You've forgotten a lot about basketball, I'm sure. Your assumptions about me are as informed and perceptive as your basketball knowledge. You made this personal; that's exactly what people do when they can't argue their way out of a paper bag. Well done.

I'm glad you still play basketball...No wait, who gives a shite?

(04-03-2012 11:04 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Cool! Guess what? You're still wrong! You can try to bully me if you want, but it doesn't change the truth - it's a bad hire, and informed people know it.

You've forgotten a lot about basketball, I'm sure. Your assumptions about me are as informed and perceptive as your basketball knowledge. You made this personal; that's exactly what people do when they can't argue their way out of a paper bag. Well done.

I'm glad you still play basketball...No wait, who gives a shite?

You posted that I suck and then you insult me and I made this personal? What is wrong with you?