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Cincinnati will probably be keeping all games at Nippert
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Whit Babcock, who took over as athletics director last year, told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday that the two-year experiment with games at Paul Brown Stadium didn’t work out financially as well as the school had hoped.

I’m not saying we’re not going to go back, but we prefer to play on campus. Right now, we don’t have any plans to play future games there (Paul Brown), but that could change.”
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If we ever get a favorable deal to use "The Stadium the Bengals Own, but Hamilton County Paid For" then we'll play more there. But, there needs to be 55-60K fannies in the seats before UC makes a nickel.

Mike Brown eventually needs to learn that making a few bucks is better than letting a stadium sit empty and unused.
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(03-29-2012 09:57 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  If we ever get a favorable deal to use "The Stadium the Bengals Own, but Hamilton County Paid For" then we'll play more there. But, there needs to be 55-60K fannies in the seats before UC makes a nickel.

Mike Brown eventually needs to learn that making a few bucks is better than letting a stadium sit empty and unused.

I wish USF had a Nippert-like on campus stadium we could abandon RJS for.
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(03-29-2012 10:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 09:57 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  If we ever get a favorable deal to use "The Stadium the Bengals Own, but Hamilton County Paid For" then we'll play more there. But, there needs to be 55-60K fannies in the seats before UC makes a nickel.

Mike Brown eventually needs to learn that making a few bucks is better than letting a stadium sit empty and unused.

I wish USF had a Nippert-like on campus stadium we could abandon RJS for.

Thanks for the compliment. But realistically it will never be "big-time" because expansion is all but impossible.

If we can use PBS for the Oklahoma-type games, it pays off. Using it for UL and WVU was a stretch, especially with the noon kickoffs.
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RE: Cincinnati will probably be keeping all games at Nippert
I like Nippert. The way that it seems carved into the UC campus really adds to the atmosphere (or so it seems in photos). So what if it's not the biggest stadium out there?
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(03-30-2012 12:28 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I like Nippert. The way that it seems carved into the UC campus really adds to the atmosphere (or so it seems in photos). So what if it's not the biggest stadium out there?

I'm coming around to that thinking. Maybe UC can/will improve Nippert by upgrading concessions/restrooms all around the stadium (not just in some areas where they already have), add some club seating if possible, and try to get capacity to 40,000 if possible. I would be happy with that.
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A 50,000 seat remodeled Nippert Stadium would be a great and beautiful on campus stadium. 04-cheers
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(03-30-2012 12:28 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I like Nippert. The way that it seems carved into the UC campus really adds to the atmosphere (or so it seems in photos). So what if it's not the biggest stadium out there?


I agree with this. Nippert was always a fun place to see a football game in my opinion.
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(03-29-2012 09:51 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Whit Babcock, who took over as athletics director last year, told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday that the two-year experiment with games at Paul Brown Stadium didn’t work out financially as well as the school had hoped.

I’m not saying we’re not going to go back, but we prefer to play on campus. Right now, we don’t have any plans to play future games there (Paul Brown), but that could change.”

Great news for Cinci!!

Glad Cinci's fairly new AD has some economic sense...because playing in front of 20,000 empty seats at a NFL stadium (like Cinci did last year for their 2 games) doesn't cover much of the costs of renting out a stadium, losing all concession, parking and advertising revenue.

Plus, moving their "best games" of the season to the NFL stadium HURT Cinci season tix sales...as fans wanting to go to just the best games of the season (last year it was the UL and WVU game), they could easily buy cheap tix to those games at the Bengals stadium...and not have to purchase season tix for Cinci's other games played on campus.

Biggest benefit to hosting HUGE games in smaller stadiums is that they help drive SEASON TIX SALES...as fans don't want to be left out of the biggest games...and only way to ensure a tix to them is to buy season tix.

College football BELONGS ON CAMPUS...and Cinci's beautiful historic Nippert Stadium puts fans right on top of the action...unlike the Bengal's NFL stadium.

NOTE: In the USA Today special articles on the rise of coaching salaries in hoops and how schools are fighting to raise enough $$$$ to pay for them, in the article below that mainly focuses on VCU's Coach Smart and UNLV's situation when they lost Kruger, it noted this about UC's Athletic Dept:

"Even some of the power conferences' less-prosperous schools are feeling the weight of athletics. Cincinnati, of the Big East, reports on its NCAA financial documents that its program receives no student fees. But the university's support of athletics has risen from $10.7 million in 2007-08 to $14.7 million in 2010-11. Even with that subsidy, the program reported an annual deficit of nearly $1 million that increased its cumulative operating deficit to $33.9 million."

UC can't afford to "give away" lost $$$$ by moving certain games to the local NFL stadium.

PS. Here's the complete article:

Even small schools pay big for hot NCAA coaches

RICHMOND, Va. – Shaka Smart, the charismatic men's basketball coach of Virginia Commonwealth University, made news last week when he told the University of Illinois thanks, but no thanks — same as he told North Carolina State a year ago.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/m...53828414/1
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(03-30-2012 08:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 09:51 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Whit Babcock, who took over as athletics director last year, told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday that the two-year experiment with games at Paul Brown Stadium didn’t work out financially as well as the school had hoped.

I’m not saying we’re not going to go back, but we prefer to play on campus. Right now, we don’t have any plans to play future games there (Paul Brown), but that could change.”

Great news for Cinci!!

Glad Cinci's fairly new AD has some economic sense...because playing in front of 20,000 empty seats at a NFL stadium (like Cinci did last year for their 2 games) doesn't cover much of the costs of renting out a stadium, losing all concession, parking and advertising revenue.

Plus, moving their "best games" of the season to the NFL stadium HURT Cinci season tix sales...as fans wanting to go to just the best games of the season (last year it was the UL and WVU game), they could easily buy cheap tix to those games at the Bengals stadium...and not have to purchase season tix for Cinci's other games played on campus.

Biggest benefit to hosting HUGE games in smaller stadiums is that they help drive SEASON TIX SALES...as fans don't want to be left out of the biggest games...and only way to ensure a tix to them is to buy season tix.

College football BELONGS ON CAMPUS...and Cinci's beautiful historic Nippert Stadium puts fans right on top of the action...unlike the Bengal's NFL stadium.

It's the chicken or the egg though. If the Oklahoma-type schools won't play us unless it is conditional on PBS, we'll never get games like that.
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(03-30-2012 08:45 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(03-30-2012 08:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 09:51 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Whit Babcock, who took over as athletics director last year, told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday that the two-year experiment with games at Paul Brown Stadium didn’t work out financially as well as the school had hoped.

I’m not saying we’re not going to go back, but we prefer to play on campus. Right now, we don’t have any plans to play future games there (Paul Brown), but that could change.”

Great news for Cinci!!

Glad Cinci's fairly new AD has some economic sense...because playing in front of 20,000 empty seats at a NFL stadium (like Cinci did last year for their 2 games) doesn't cover much of the costs of renting out a stadium, losing all concession, parking and advertising revenue.

Plus, moving their "best games" of the season to the NFL stadium HURT Cinci season tix sales...as fans wanting to go to just the best games of the season (last year it was the UL and WVU game), they could easily buy cheap tix to those games at the Bengals stadium...and not have to purchase season tix for Cinci's other games played on campus.

Biggest benefit to hosting HUGE games in smaller stadiums is that they help drive SEASON TIX SALES...as fans don't want to be left out of the biggest games...and only way to ensure a tix to them is to buy season tix.

College football BELONGS ON CAMPUS...and Cinci's beautiful historic Nippert Stadium puts fans right on top of the action...unlike the Bengal's NFL stadium.

It's the chicken or the egg though. If the Oklahoma-type schools won't play us unless it is conditional on PBS, we'll never get games like that.

Well, UL and WVU were not "Oklahoma-type schools" but someone at Cinci made the bad decision to move those games away from their own on-campus stadium.

Plus, some schools like even Alabama (bigger name than OU), have played non-conf road games at stadiums even SMALLER than Cinci's.
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(03-29-2012 10:54 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 09:57 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  If we ever get a favorable deal to use "The Stadium the Bengals Own, but Hamilton County Paid For" then we'll play more there. But, there needs to be 55-60K fannies in the seats before UC makes a nickel.

Mike Brown eventually needs to learn that making a few bucks is better than letting a stadium sit empty and unused.
I wish USF had a Nippert-like on campus stadium we could abandon RJS for.
Thanks for the compliment. But realistically it will never be "big-time" because expansion is all but impossible.

If we can use PBS for the Oklahoma-type games, it pays off. Using it for UL and WVU was a stretch, especially with the noon kickoffs.
PBS was perfect for the UC-WVU and UofL-UC games. Those were UC's 2 highest attended home games last year, and without those 2 games UC's home attendance figures would have sucked...
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(03-30-2012 09:19 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:54 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 09:57 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  If we ever get a favorable deal to use "The Stadium the Bengals Own, but Hamilton County Paid For" then we'll play more there. But, there needs to be 55-60K fannies in the seats before UC makes a nickel.

Mike Brown eventually needs to learn that making a few bucks is better than letting a stadium sit empty and unused.
I wish USF had a Nippert-like on campus stadium we could abandon RJS for.
Thanks for the compliment. But realistically it will never be "big-time" because expansion is all but impossible.

If we can use PBS for the Oklahoma-type games, it pays off. Using it for UL and WVU was a stretch, especially with the noon kickoffs.

PBS was perfect for the UC-WVU and UofL-UC games. Those were UC's 2 highest attended home games last year, and without those 2 games UC's home attendance figures would have sucked...

I guess you didn't bother to read the article...

Hint: Its never good to LOSE $$$$.
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(03-30-2012 07:29 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  
(03-30-2012 12:28 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I like Nippert. The way that it seems carved into the UC campus really adds to the atmosphere (or so it seems in photos). So what if it's not the biggest stadium out there?

I'm coming around to that thinking. Maybe UC can/will improve Nippert by upgrading concessions/restrooms all around the stadium (not just in some areas where they already have), add some club seating if possible, and try to get capacity to 40,000 if possible. I would be happy with that.

A sold-out 35,000ish seat Nippert Stadium generates the same electricity and atmosphere as venues twice that size. Even though outsiders look at the number and snub UC, they have no idea how intimidating that stadium really is to opposing teams. Even adding 5 - 10k seats, while infeasible and unlikely, would create the same environment as a 75-85k seat stadium.
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The only way to expand Nippert would be to demolish Fifth Third Arena (which was built on the cheap anyway). Not likely.
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(03-30-2012 10:11 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  The only way to expand Nippert would be to demolish Fifth Third Arena (which was built on the cheap anyway). Not likely.

The expansion/renovation of either venue wouldn't affect the other.
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Yeah, the Lindner Center is really what keeps them from adding to the east side of the stadium. The Shoemaker Center has nothing to do with it... the south side is stuck due to the historic building that sits there (it is going nowhere). On the west side the press box is there so it would take a totally new west side of the stadium to do any work there.
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(03-30-2012 10:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  Yeah, the Lindner Center is really what keeps them from adding to the east side of the stadium. The Shoemaker Center has nothing to do with it... the south side is stuck due to the historic building that sits there (it is going nowhere). On the west side the press box is there so it would take a totally new west side of the stadium to do any work there.

Yea I really wish UC would do something about that building behind the South endzone. Isn't it essentially vacant acting as a storage facility for musical instruments or something? If only that thing was moved back 30-40 ft then we could at least entertain the idea of extending the 2nd deck all the way around the South side of Nippert.
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They should only play against schools that will travel very well or have fans in the area (O$U, Oklahoma, Alabama, LSU, Texas, etc). The Oklahoma game was the first UC game I had been to in a while and as the announcers commented it had a "SEC feel" because it was 58K. Other than that keep all the games at Nippert. The only execption would be if a match up between two top 10 teams if it was Cincinnati vs Louisville or Cincinnati vs WVU (guess the latter cannot happen anymore).
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(03-30-2012 08:48 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Well, UL and WVU were not "Oklahoma-type schools" but someone at Cinci made the bad decision to move those games away from their own on-campus stadium.

No argument with that at all!

Quote:Plus, some schools like even Alabama (bigger name than OU), have played non-conf road games at stadiums even SMALLER than Cinci's.

I assume you are referring to Duke? Not sure how Duke got that game (2-for-1, or what??). But, all I know is, that PBS was part of the Oklahoma deal, as well as the Ohio State deal. And, OSU backed out, once they realized that if a Rick Minter team can take them down to the wire (2002), then there is a high risk on their part of losing there.

The only two B1G schools interested have been Illinois and Purdue, but now that the B1G-Pac 12 are doing a challenge deal, I doubt even they will entertain coming to Cincinnati in the future. Purdue actually begged out of two games (was to be a four-game deal) because of it.

But, maybe that all just proves the point about playing Nippert full-time. If nine-game conference schedules, and the like, are pushing big OOC games by the wayside, maybe it renders using PBS for ANY games a moot point if such games cease to exist.
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