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Zimmerman defenders
I know that when Dick Cheney swore you in with the homo erotic paddling and the day old nascar birthday cake from Wal Mart and all he made you promise not to ever give straight answers again, but, for old time's sake, give it a try.

A black guy starts following, chasing in fact, a white guy who looks out of place in an sh!tty urban environment.

He catches up to the white guy, stops him and asks him what he is doing there, what kind of trouble he is getting into.

The black guy hasn't touched the white guy, but he seems very aggressive, raising his voice and interrogating the guy.

The white guy isn't from the area and already felt out of sorts before he even noticed the black guy following him. Now that this dude he doesn't know has chased him down and started questioning him, he is more than a little afraid regarding the black guy's intentions.

So the white guy pushes the black guy and the black guy falls down. Maybe after the black guy started getting a little verbally aggressive about the white guy being in his neighborhood. The white guy doesn't know if the black guy is crazy, a cop, a mugger, or what.

And maybe after the push, they tussle a little. A punch or two. Some rolling around. Whatever. No one is seriously injured, scrapes and bruises. Nothing that a little quick first aid by EMT's can't fix.

And they get themselves back on their feet and separated.

And the black guy shoots our little lost white boy to death.

The cops arrive on the scene and the black dude, the pursuer, the guy giving the white guy **** for being in his neighborhood, the guy with the gun says "Officers, he knocked me to the ground and was on top of me at one point and I have a bloody nose and..." so on. And the cops say "Down to the station and fill out a report." And he does. And they let him walk away a free man.

You don't think that would be a story? Of course it would be a f'king story. And no one would be taking the black street dude's side over the dead white accountant who innocently was lost in the bad part of town.

No one would be saying, "Well, that's his fault, he knows white people shouldn't go there" or "It is his fault, he wasn't dressed like other people in the area" or "He had a DUI 6 years ago and smoked pot back in college! He deserved it!" or "It's his fault for acting to defend himself too soon" or "That's what he gets for maybe kinda sorta winning the fight" or any of this bull****.

And libs,in this situation,as well as in the Martin situation,would be saying what an awful law it was and that this man clearly belongs in jail.

What would conservatives be saying?HINT: It rhymes with "pinch bob."
03-29-2012 09:33 PM
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RE: Zimmerman defenders
Great story. One problem with your hypothetical. You have zero evidence that is what happened with Zimmerman.

You know he called 9-11, you know he followed the kid, you know he shot the kid. Those are the only facts that have been established conclusively. The rest is pure speculation on your part.

As such your story is fairly meaningless and offers nothing in the way of productive discussion.

Oh, and I'm still waiting to figure out who the Zimmerman defenders are you speak of. I've yet to read anyone defend the guy. I've read a lot of "we don't know the full story let's wait til it comes out." But I've not seen anyone claim his version is the gospel truth and defend him as such.

Can you point out where that has happened?
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03-29-2012 09:37 PM
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(03-29-2012 09:37 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Great story. One problem with your hypothetical. You have zero evidence that is what happened with Zimmerman.

This ^. And Max, white people get murdered by black people for no reason all the time. It gets mentioned in the local news maybe but doesn't become a national story.

I don't understand the double standard, why if a hispanic person kills a black person, allegedly in self-defense, is it white racism and murder of a super innocent perfect black child who wasn't doing anything wrong whatsoever despite the evidence to the contrary?
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03-29-2012 10:04 PM
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RE: Zimmerman defenders
(03-29-2012 09:33 PM)Max Power Wrote:  No one would be saying, "Well, that's his fault, he knows white people shouldn't go there" or "It is his fault, he wasn't dressed like other people in the area" or "He had a DUI 6 years ago and smoked pot back in college! He deserved it!" or "It's his fault for acting to defend himself too soon" or "That's what he gets for maybe kinda sorta winning the fight" or any of this bull****.

Obviously you've never been to Watts or Harlem, I have and you couldn't be more wrong.
03-29-2012 10:05 PM
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RE: Zimmerman defenders
One more time.

One side has convicted Zimmerman.

One side has repeatedly said they want Zimmerman arrested if the evidence warrants. They want him left in peace if not. They have not defended nor convicted anyone. They are sane, logical people.

One side has convicted him and become intolerant and falsely accuse others who don't fall in line with nooses.
03-29-2012 10:25 PM
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RE: Zimmerman defenders
The Right-Wing Klan around here desperately want to see Zimmerman walk. So there's no way they will give an honest response to the OP.
03-29-2012 10:37 PM
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(03-29-2012 10:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The Right-Wing Klan around here desperately want to see Zimmerman walk. So there's no way they will give an honest response to the OP.

And the militant black panthers want Zimmerman fried. Your move.
03-29-2012 10:40 PM
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(03-29-2012 10:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The Right-Wing Klan around here desperately want to see Zimmerman walk. So there's no way they will give an honest response to the OP.

And the militant black panthers want Zimmerman fried. Your move.

I agree. The Right-Wing Klan around here is very comparable to the new black panthers.
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(03-29-2012 09:37 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Oh, and I'm still waiting to figure out who the Zimmerman defenders are you speak of. I've yet to read anyone defend the guy. I've read a lot of "we don't know the full story let's wait til it comes out." But I've not seen anyone claim his version is the gospel truth and defend him as such.

Yes Mach, for the love of pete if you want to have a discussion on this please tell us who the Zimmerman defenders are...
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RE: Zimmerman defenders
(03-29-2012 10:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The Right-Wing Klan around here desperately want to see Zimmerman walk. So there's no way they will give an honest response to the OP.

And the left wing Bolsheviks want to hang Zimmerman without a trial. So there's no way the will have an honest conversation on the issue.
03-29-2012 11:05 PM
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(03-29-2012 10:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The Right-Wing Klan around here desperately want to see Zimmerman walk. So there's no way they will give an honest response to the OP.

You think some BS trolling deserves an honest response? You really are dumber than you look.
03-29-2012 11:52 PM
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RE: Zimmerman defenders
Personally I believe Zimmerman is idiot with too much testosterone that should be arrested and charged. With what? I do not know as of this point.
This whole thing is a total clusterfk and typical for almost anything that occurs in the state of Florida.

I don't defend Zimmerman. I just don't know at this point what crime he has committed. I expect it will come out after a full investigation. The police are being careful and doing everything they can to not botch this. Something tells me they already have. Now...with all the media involvement this has truly turned into a circus.
03-30-2012 06:38 AM
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The only defenders Zman has are the scumbag lawyers. Here except for the Zman lynch mob, we want the facts and a fair trial.
03-30-2012 07:22 AM
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(03-29-2012 10:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The Right-Wing Klan around here desperately want to see Zimmerman walk. So there's no way they will give an honest response to the OP.

Ah, the Noble Lie.

That's at least 5 by my count since the topic came up a few weeks back.
03-30-2012 07:41 AM
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RE: Zimmerman defenders
Zimmerman defenders are actually Sharpton haters. I think they could care less about Zimmerman.
03-30-2012 09:58 AM
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(03-30-2012 09:58 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Zimmerman defenders are actually Sharpton haters. I think they could care less about Zimmerman.

I care less about Zimmerman and more about not speculating about what people "think" happened.
03-30-2012 10:09 AM
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Is this:

(03-29-2012 09:33 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I know that when Dick Cheney swore you in with the homo erotic paddling and the day old nascar birthday cake from Wal Mart and all he made you promise not to ever give straight answers again, but, for old time's sake, give it a try.

really necessary? Really?
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(03-30-2012 10:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Is this:

(03-29-2012 09:33 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I know that when Dick Cheney swore you in with the homo erotic paddling and the day old nascar birthday cake from Wal Mart and all he made you promise not to ever give straight answers again, but, for old time's sake, give it a try.

really necessary? Really?

What you don't start reasonable conversations that way?
03-30-2012 10:46 AM
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I could care less about Zimmerman. What I defend is the constitutional presumption of innocence. That a person should not be convicted, arrested, or punched based upon the medias portrayal of events and mob rule. If Zimmerman committed a crime he should be prosecuted. If not, he should not be arrested. Eight now it looks like there is no probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. The killing seems to fall under justifiable homicide. If more comes out and Zimmerman killed when his belief was not reasonable, then manslaughter is appropriate. If he stalked and shot Martin with no cause then murder is appropriate. We should let the legal system do its job[/align]
03-30-2012 11:53 AM
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(03-30-2012 07:22 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The only defenders Zman has are the scumbag lawyers. Here except for the Zman lynch mob, we want the facts and a fair trial.
Well, it is nice you say that. I too want to see a fair trial. You know what? He wasn't even going to trial(I still don't think he is at this point) he was going to get away from killing a kid with no trial at all. That was a big reason for all the fuss in the first place.
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