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Obama's second term...?
Politicians and presidents of both parties have occasionally suffered from open-mic syndrome, saying something when they thought the microphone was turned off they wished had not been made public.

The latest to fall prey is President Obama. The president told Russian President Dmitry Medvedev during their Monday meeting in Seoul, South Korea that once re-elected, he would have “more flexibility” to deal with missile defense. The president asked Medvedev to relay to incoming President Vladimir Putin his request for “patience” and “space.”

The comments sent shivers down conservative spines. Conservatives believe the president is a not-so-closeted socialist. They recall his criticism of the Founding Fathers for putting too many restraints on presidential power in the Constitution, limiting a president’s ability to unilaterally bring about change. Unconstrained by the need to run again, they fear a president gone wild with the Constitution shredded and America transformed beyond recognition.

Dick Morris believes that an unleashed President Obama would cause even more damage to the country. The former adviser to Bill Clinton appeared on Fox’s “Hannity” Monday night and predicted what an Obama second term might look like.

“I believe that he’ll proceed to a single-payer system on health care,” said Morris. “I think Obamacare was just an intermediate step in his mind. If he’s re-elected, particularly if there’s a Democratic Congress, he will eliminate the private health insurance industry and all insurance will be from the government and it will all be according to one plan. Secondly, I think that he will completely reverse the initiatives of the Bush 43 administration in opening up vast new forms of oil drilling in the U.S. And will eliminate this incredible opportunity we have to dominate the global oil markets and put the terrorists out of business. But thirdly, I think that his big focus will be to make the United States a vassal state to a globalist entity.”

With another president, this might sound like blather from the extreme right, but consider the new book by Van Jones, Obama’s former “green energy czar” who was forced to resign for past extremist views and statements, including signing a 2004 petition from 911Truth.org, a group that claimed George W. Bush allowed the 9/11 terrorist attacks to happen. In “Rebuild the Dream,” Jones claims Obama could have yanked the country further left had he not been “determined to be bipartisan at all costs.”

What would “more” look like in an Obama second term? Again, Dick Morris thinks he sees the future: “The G-20 and the IMF will acquire sovereignty over our economy. I think that he will sign the International Criminal Treaty that would oblige the United States to get U.N. approval, which is to say, Russian and Chinese approval before going to war. I think he will sign the ‘Rights of the Child’ treaty, which would create a legal basis for suing to increase foreign aid to poor countries.”

Morris was not finished: “I think that he’ll sign the global ban on small arms, back-door arms control in the United States. I think he’ll sign away royalties for offshore drilling by going along with the Law of the Sea Treaty. I think that he’ll ban U.S. weapons in outer space, which will eliminate an anti-missile capability.”

The most important thing the president will do, according to Morris: “He’s going to transform America into two countries, a small number of people who pay taxes and a large number of people who don’t work and are dependent upon the government to create a permanent leftist socialist base in the United States.”

If that is not cause for alarm, even panic, what is? In the 2008 presidential campaign, candidate Obama promised to fundamentally transform America. Given a second term and especially with a Democratic Congress, he will. Just give him some space.
03-29-2012 09:07 AM
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Everyone knows the only thing that has restrained Barack Obama from taking even more drastic steps to "funadmentally transform" an America he views as responsible for inequity at home and abroad is re-election. With the exceptions of a few side trips down radical roads like Obamacare he has essentially given up governing and leading for the politics of being re-elected. Even moderate Olympia Snowe said as much the other day.

Obama made a few moves that were a little too radical in the beginning. Vann Jones could not be allowed to stay in the administration. But we still have an Energy Secretary, Steven Chu, who believes and has said he thinks gas prices should be at the same level as Europe to encourage alternative fuels. We have a Justice Department, under Eric Holder and Thomas Perez that spends its time looking for racism everywhere and will actually create it when necessary. He has stretched the limits of Presidential power by using his regulatory agencies to by pass congress. He is gradually inserting the role of government over more and more of our economy....autos, finance, energy and soon if the Supreme Court doesn't stop him...healthcare. We even have a Supreme Court Justice who has advised emerging countries not to use our Constitution as their template because it is outdated and needs to be changed. Yet she gets to vote on cases that are supposed to determine if things are constitutional?

Thomas is correct that the Dems have now created a voting base of dependent voters. They are bribing the public with the public's own money. Alexis de Tocqueville wrote almost 200 years ago that "people who feel governemnt should do everything for them are least equipped to chose a government."Thomas Sowell wrote last month, "What do you call it when someone steals someone else's money secretly? Theft. What do you call it when someone takes someone else's money openly by force? Robbery. What do you call it when a politician takes someone else's money in taxes and gives it to someone who is more likely to vote for him? Social justice."

Obama has been clever in convincing people that what he says he doesn't really mean and what he does isn't really what it looks like. The liberals and many moderates want the first black president to succeed so much they have entered into a state of suspended belief. The media has certainly helped.in keeping the real Barack Obama disguised. Surely he can't be taking us down the road to socialism. Surely the interpretations of what he says and does are exaggerated by the right. Right?

Barack Obama is accomplishing what America's foreign enemies never could. He is undermining everything that made America great from within. The financial calamity he is creating alone will destroy us! Just listen to people who escaped Communism and came to America decades ago. They are the most scared because they are seeing startling similarities in the direction we are headed and in the public discourse to the situations they left. They look at us incredulously and are saying "what are you thinking?!" Throughout history dictators and statist regimes have begun with elections. They were put in power by scared or angry or confused electorates. And often with the help of a complacent and distracted majority who just didn't want to believe what was happening really was. And before they knew it it was too late.

Barack Obama told the Russians "After my election I will have more flexibility". In other words I have to lie right now to get reelected but after that I can do what I really want to do. He thinks he is so much smarter than everyone else and can make a joke about the candid comment and everyone will just believe he was kidding...or he didn't really mean what he said...or people are just misinterpreting it. Are we really that gullible? He thinks so. The fate of America rests in the vote of a single justice on the Supreme Court and in the election this November.
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You wanna source those whose work you are pawning off here by chance?
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(03-29-2012 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You wanna source those whose work you are pawning off here by chance?

Worry less about the source and more about the content...if you can't do that then leave me on ignore.
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I can't believe anything out of the mouth of Dick Morris. Sorry.

Also. If Obama and congress were to get us into these treaties that bind us to the UN, the next guy would just rip it up whenever he wanted to. Nothing to worry about there.
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(03-29-2012 10:21 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You wanna source those whose work you are pawning off here by chance?

Worry less about the source and more about the content...if you can't do that then leave me on ignore.

Considering that it was nothing more than copy/paste BS, the content is rather irrelevant.

How about you have an original thought for a change?
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(03-29-2012 10:44 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:21 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You wanna source those whose work you are pawning off here by chance?

Worry less about the source and more about the content...if you can't do that then leave me on ignore.

Considering that it was nothing more than copy/paste BS, the content is rather irrelevant.

How about you have an original thought for a change?

WOW...are you so weak minded that you can't argue against the idea's in the article? All that's left is for you to try and discredit the source and the poster...typical.

Thanks for making my point BTW...
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(03-29-2012 10:42 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:21 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  [quote='Redwingtom' pid='7740608' dateline='1333034120']Worry less about the source and more about the content...

I can't believe anything out of the mouth of Dick Morris. Sorry.

Also. If Obama and congress were to get us into these treaties that bind us to the UN, the next guy would just rip it up whenever he wanted to. Nothing to worry about there.

Wasn't Dick Morris...and it was more about the single payer system than the UN stuff. At least that's what I got out of it that worried me the most.
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(03-29-2012 10:57 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:44 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:21 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You wanna source those whose work you are pawning off here by chance?

Worry less about the source and more about the content...if you can't do that then leave me on ignore.

Considering that it was nothing more than copy/paste BS, the content is rather irrelevant.

How about you have an original thought for a change?

WOW...are you so weak minded that you can't argue against the idea's in the article? All that's left is for you to try and discredit the source and the poster...typical.

Thanks for making my point BTW...

There's no need to argue with BS. If the sky is blue, it's blue. No need to argue with it.

Your article was total BS rhetoric. There's not a single point worth debating because it's a worthless article.

Enjoy stroking yourself over your talking points.
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(03-29-2012 10:21 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You wanna source those whose work you are pawning off here by chance?

Worry less about the source and more about the content...if you can't do that then leave me on ignore.
I don't worry about the content. I do laugh at your stupidity though. It would be nice for a source though.
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(03-29-2012 11:02 AM)TOGC Wrote:  There's no need to argue with BS. If the sky is blue, it's blue. No need to argue with it.
Your article was total BS rhetoric. There's not a single point worth debating because it's a worthless article.
Enjoy stroking yourself over your talking points.

That's clearly what the left wants us all to believe.

We believe it at our peril.
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It's easy to tell when I've struck a Liberal nerve...they attack the source and poster instead of the idea's in the article. Predictable...
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(03-29-2012 11:13 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  It's easy to tell when I've struck a Liberal nerve...they attack the source and poster instead of the idea's in the article. Predictable...

It's RHETORIC not FACT.

Why in the world would I even need to debate a biased conservative opinion that is not based in fact?
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(03-29-2012 11:27 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 11:13 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  It's easy to tell when I've struck a Liberal nerve...they attack the source and poster instead of the idea's in the article. Predictable...

It's RHETORIC not FACT.

Why in the world would I even need to debate a biased conservative opinion that is not based in fact?

If you can't argue against it then don't...
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I prefer a link and a few "key" paragraphs framed in a quote (people by nature tend to blow past massive blocks of text when driving by message board threads). And it's just nice to provide the original author and webpage with a web hit, even if it's from someone I disagree with. But everyone has their own preference, so to each their own.
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(03-29-2012 11:31 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 11:27 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 11:13 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  It's easy to tell when I've struck a Liberal nerve...they attack the source and poster instead of the idea's in the article. Predictable...

It's RHETORIC not FACT.

Why in the world would I even need to debate a biased conservative opinion that is not based in fact?

If you can't argue against it then don't...

There's nothing to argue. It's just you stroking yourself.

Kinda sick really......
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(03-29-2012 11:35 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  I prefer a link and a few "key" paragraphs framed in a quote (people by nature tend to blow past massive blocks of text when driving by message board threads). And it's just nice to provide the original author and webpage with a web hit, even if it's from someone I disagree with. But everyone has their own preference, so to each their own.

See, you asked nicely though I really don't see how where it came from matters. To me the source isn't as important as the ideas in the article.

Screw you TOGC
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(03-29-2012 11:45 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(03-29-2012 11:35 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  I prefer a link and a few "key" paragraphs framed in a quote (people by nature tend to blow past massive blocks of text when driving by message board threads). And it's just nice to provide the original author and webpage with a web hit, even if it's from someone I disagree with. But everyone has their own preference, so to each their own.
See, you asked nicely though I really don't see how where it came from matters. To me the source isn't as important as the ideas in the article.
Screw you TOGC

I think we've actually got this little law thingy that says you're supposed to attribute quotes. But I also agree that the substance is far more important than the formal niceties. And it is true that when liberals can't respond on the substance they shoot the messenger.
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Careful Owl...the cons on here do it plenty as well...not that it's an excuse, but...
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(03-29-2012 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Careful Owl...the cons on here do it plenty as well...not that it's an excuse, but...

Cite and link please....

03-lmfao
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