http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2012/03/...werplants/

On this trajectory we'll be a 3rd world nation in 20 years. That's not hyperbole.

I heard about his yesterday. Apparently the existing plants are grandfathered in and there is a 12 month exception for plants currently under construction. This will result in higher energy prices for everyone.

(03-28-2012 09:45 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I heard about his yesterday. Apparently the existing plants are grandfathered in and there is a 12 month exception for plants currently under construction. This will result in higher energy prices for everyone.

Hardest on the elderly poor. Of course that will mean gov't should step in...

(03-28-2012 09:54 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-28-2012 09:45 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I heard about his yesterday. Apparently the existing plants are grandfathered in and there is a 12 month exception for plants currently under construction. This will result in higher energy prices for everyone.

Hardest on the elderly poor. Of course that will mean gov't should step in...

Can you please go "help yourself"? THat will be a good way to save on energy use.

(03-28-2012 09:40 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2012/03/...werplants/

On this trajectory we'll be a 3rd world nation in 20 years. That's not hyperbole.

When I read the story, I immediately thought rolling blackouts. Add in hyperinflation and we're a 3rd world country.

Coal is a natural resource and we have a shitload of it. This could impact a shitload of union workers and workers-to-be.

It's just cap and trade through regulation instead of legislation. Congress said no and now the EPA is doing Obama's bidding.

"You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers."
Thats a direct quote from Obama. I guess he has kept one promise afterall.

Why does this administration keep insiting on forcing us to rely on alternative energy sources that aren't developed enough to support this country?

How does this help us reduce our dependence on foreign anything?

(03-28-2012 09:05 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  How does this help us reduce our dependence on foreign anything?

In the administrations warped mind, higher energy prices will lead to break throughs in alternative energy that will free us from foreign oil and end the terrible global warming. Or at least thats what they want all of us to think their agenda is.
At the same time it will drive the price of all goods up, causing more individuals to end up on govt assistance and strengthen their voter base.

I have two words for you "natural gas" That is all you may now resume the knuckle draggers convention

Isn't there some sort of magical green energy company where you can open an account, pay a monthly fee, and presto
everything is peachy?

(03-29-2012 12:37 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Isn't there some sort of magical green energy company where you can open an account, pay a monthly fee, and presto
everything is peachy?

GoreCo.

(03-29-2012 12:24 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I have two words for you "natural gas" That is all you may now resume the knuckle draggers convention

More lies from peanut. Seriously pathalogical he is.

(03-29-2012 12:24 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I have two words for you "natural gas" That is all you may now resume the knuckle draggers convention

Sweet punctuation skills.

Notice how the release of this coincided with the SCOTUS Health care oral arguments.

(03-29-2012 09:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Notice how the release of this coincided with the SCOTUS Health care oral arguments.

Kinda made this invisible, didnt it? Shrewd.

(03-29-2012 10:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 09:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Notice how the release of this coincided with the SCOTUS Health care oral arguments.

Kinda made this invisible, didnt it? Shrewd.

Obaffoon's open mike moment to the Russians became invisible as well.

(03-28-2012 07:33 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  It's just cap and trade through regulation instead of legislation. Congress said no and now the EPA is doing Obama's bidding.

Bingo. Spot on.

(03-28-2012 07:33 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  "You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers."
Thats a direct quote from Obama. I guess he has kept one promise afterall.

Why does this administration keep insiting on forcing us to rely on alternative energy sources that aren't developed enough to support this country?

This administration is committed ideologically to push that alternative energy issue as hard as it can. They want to damage the fossil fuel industry so badly that it will die. But even they know that alternatives are not anywhere near market ready. But their inexperience allows them to try to pick tech business winners and losers with taxpayer money and their track record is horrendous. In their stupidity, they believe that simply pouring more $$ into research will greatly speed up progress. (Kind of like duping the public into pouring more and more $$ into the failing public school systems in the belief that it would improve performance).

Part of the problem that this administration has is that there is precious little business experience in the entire administration. Most all of their policy wonks come from the crusty halls of academia and few if any have any REAL WORLD experience with business. It's all theory and they are finding out that a lot of what sounds great on paper doesn't really work in the real world.

These subsidies are also another way to "spread the wealth around" among Obama's political backers. Taxpayer $$ for all (who support me). Between their favorite crony capitalists and the unions, this administration has a campaign $$ feedback loop all set to go. In fact, it never stops, really.

(03-30-2012 06:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(03-28-2012 07:33 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  It's just cap and trade through regulation instead of legislation. Congress said no and now the EPA is doing Obama's bidding.

Bingo. Spot on.

(03-28-2012 07:33 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  "You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers."
Thats a direct quote from Obama. I guess he has kept one promise afterall.

Why does this administration keep insiting on forcing us to rely on alternative energy sources that aren't developed enough to support this country?

This administration is committed ideologically to push that alternative energy issue as hard as it can. They want to damage the fossil fuel industry so badly that it will die. But even they know that alternatives are not anywhere near market ready. But their inexperience allows them to try to pick tech business winners and losers with taxpayer money and their track record is horrendous. In their stupidity, they believe that simply pouring more $$ into research will greatly speed up progress. (Kind of like duping the public into pouring more and more $$ into the failing public school systems in the belief that it would improve performance).

Part of the problem that this administration has is that there is precious little business experience in the entire administration. Most all of their policy wonks come from the crusty halls of academia and few if any have any REAL WORLD experience with business. It's all theory and they are finding out that a lot of what sounds great on paper doesn't really work in the real world.

These subsidies are also another way to "spread the wealth around" among Obama's political backers. Taxpayer $$ for all (who support me). Between their favorite crony capitalists and the unions, this administration has a campaign $$ feedback loop all set to go. In fact, it never stops, really.

You watch way too much Fox News.

(03-29-2012 12:44 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 12:24 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I have two words for you "natural gas" That is all you may now resume the knuckle draggers convention

More lies from peanut. Seriously pathalogical he is.

The TVA had a proposal on the board at their Allen Steam Plant in Memphis to improve and upgrade the 50 year old coal fired facility but have now all but scrapped that plan in favor of a new cleaner burning state of the art natural gas fired plant for roughly half the price. Natural gas is so plentiful and inexpensive now that many companies are capping wells and ceasing production.