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[split] Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:00 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 07:29 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 06:44 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Yes, 6 to 7 million will be the bottom line before it is all over. Brilliant move by the leagues.

$6 to $7 million total from the four departing teams?

You won't even get that much.

Memphis is forfeiting $7.2M alone in NCAA basketball credits to CUSA, the MWC schools would be forfeiting over $11M if they dissolved. Plus exit fees in addition to this. If the leagues dissolved and made a new conference they would stand to lose about $40M between them. Learn math.

I know math pretty well. I know that we're getting a huge windfall joining the Big East and you're pretty much screwed in the Alliance.

Enjoy that math.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:18 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:00 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 07:29 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 06:44 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Yes, 6 to 7 million will be the bottom line before it is all over. Brilliant move by the leagues.

$6 to $7 million total from the four departing teams?

You won't even get that much.

Memphis is forfeiting $7.2M alone in NCAA basketball credits to CUSA, the MWC schools would be forfeiting over $11M if they dissolved. Plus exit fees in addition to this. If the leagues dissolved and made a new conference they would stand to lose about $40M between them. Learn math.

I know math pretty well. I know that we're getting a huge windfall joining the Big East and you're pretty much screwed in the Alliance.

Enjoy that math.

What are you getting exactly? You have no idea. If you think it is going to be $15M per schools you are in for a severe dissapointment. Memphis is pretty screwed, because not only will they be the doormat of CUSA v2.0 football, they will probably get their arses handed to them in basketball as well. Enjoy the NIT!
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:21 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:18 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:00 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 07:29 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 06:44 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Yes, 6 to 7 million will be the bottom line before it is all over. Brilliant move by the leagues.

$6 to $7 million total from the four departing teams?

You won't even get that much.

Memphis is forfeiting $7.2M alone in NCAA basketball credits to CUSA, the MWC schools would be forfeiting over $11M if they dissolved. Plus exit fees in addition to this. If the leagues dissolved and made a new conference they would stand to lose about $40M between them. Learn math.

I know math pretty well. I know that we're getting a huge windfall joining the Big East and you're pretty much screwed in the Alliance.

Enjoy that math.

What are you getting exactly? You have no idea. If you think it is going to be $15M per schools you are in for a severe dissapointment. Memphis is pretty screwed, because not only will they be the doormat of CUSA v2.0 football, they will probably get their arses handed to them in basketball as well. Enjoy the NIT!

We'll easily make more than we would in the Alliance. With the old deals of $1.2 to $1.4 for the MWC and CUSA, the deal will only get worse with Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, BSU, SDSU, and possibly AFA leaving. You'll be lucky, extremely lucky, if you break even. At most, you might see $2M and that would be charity.

We'll get $10M in the Big East easy, and most likely more than that. The conference has more coverage across the US than before, it upgraded in football, and is still one of the most dominant basketball conferences out there.

Memphis had the #20 strength of schedule in men's basketball this year. I think we can handle playing in the Big East. We'll be fine in football.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:21 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:18 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:00 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 07:29 AM)TOGC Wrote:  $6 to $7 million total from the four departing teams?

You won't even get that much.

Memphis is forfeiting $7.2M alone in NCAA basketball credits to CUSA, the MWC schools would be forfeiting over $11M if they dissolved. Plus exit fees in addition to this. If the leagues dissolved and made a new conference they would stand to lose about $40M between them. Learn math.

I know math pretty well. I know that we're getting a huge windfall joining the Big East and you're pretty much screwed in the Alliance.

Enjoy that math.

What are you getting exactly? You have no idea. If you think it is going to be $15M per schools you are in for a severe dissapointment. Memphis is pretty screwed, because not only will they be the doormat of CUSA v2.0 football, they will probably get their arses handed to them in basketball as well. Enjoy the NIT!

We'll easily make more than we would in the Alliance. With the old deals of $1.2 to $1.4 for the MWC and CUSA, the deal will only get worse with Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, BSU, SDSU, and possibly AFA leaving. You'll be lucky, extremely lucky, if you break even. At most, you might see $2M and that would be charity.

We'll get $10M in the Big East easy, and most likely more than that. The conference has more coverage across the US than before, it upgraded in football, and is still one of the most dominant basketball conferences out there.

Memphis had the #20 strength of schedule in men's basketball this year. I think we can handle playing in the Big East. We'll be fine in football.

So the CUSA and MWC deal will go down, but the BE deal will double? Not likely friend. Nobody is going to pay to see SDSU vs. Memphis, or SMU vs. UCF, or any other combination. By your logic CUSA and the MWC should expect to double their revenues by adding a bunch of crap teams.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:37 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:21 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:18 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:00 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Memphis is forfeiting $7.2M alone in NCAA basketball credits to CUSA, the MWC schools would be forfeiting over $11M if they dissolved. Plus exit fees in addition to this. If the leagues dissolved and made a new conference they would stand to lose about $40M between them. Learn math.

I know math pretty well. I know that we're getting a huge windfall joining the Big East and you're pretty much screwed in the Alliance.

Enjoy that math.

What are you getting exactly? You have no idea. If you think it is going to be $15M per schools you are in for a severe dissapointment. Memphis is pretty screwed, because not only will they be the doormat of CUSA v2.0 football, they will probably get their arses handed to them in basketball as well. Enjoy the NIT!

We'll easily make more than we would in the Alliance. With the old deals of $1.2 to $1.4 for the MWC and CUSA, the deal will only get worse with Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, BSU, SDSU, and possibly AFA leaving. You'll be lucky, extremely lucky, if you break even. At most, you might see $2M and that would be charity.

We'll get $10M in the Big East easy, and most likely more than that. The conference has more coverage across the US than before, it upgraded in football, and is still one of the most dominant basketball conferences out there.

Memphis had the #20 strength of schedule in men's basketball this year. I think we can handle playing in the Big East. We'll be fine in football.

So the CUSA and MWC deal will go down, but the BE deal will double? Not likely friend. Nobody is going to pay to see SDSU vs. Memphis, or SMU vs. UCF, or any other combination. By your logic CUSA and the MWC should expect to double their revenues by adding a bunch of crap teams.

03-lmfao

You are so ignorant if you think the Alliance is anywhere near the level of the Big East.

Big East >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alliance

I can't wait until the contract numbers come out. You'll see why teams were in such a big hurry to leave.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  We'll easily make more than we would in the Alliance. With the old deals of $1.2 to $1.4 for the MWC and CUSA, the deal will only get worse with Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, BSU, SDSU, and possibly AFA leaving. You'll be lucky, extremely lucky, if you break even. At most, you might see $2M and that would be charity.

We'll get $10M in the Big East easy, and most likely more than that. The conference has more coverage across the US than before, it upgraded in football, and is still one of the most dominant basketball conferences out there.

Memphis had the #20 strength of schedule in men's basketball this year. I think we can handle playing in the Big East. We'll be fine in football.
BE did not upgrade it's football; it replaced historical programs with those who have recently been in minor bowls (including the only 2 to lay gooseggs while in C-USA and a third with multiple 1 win efforts - and that doesn't include Memphis football). You added Boise, who know has to negotiate without loading up with non-qualifiers.
Your basketball was overall downgraded, with the addition of two of the worst C-USA programs.
And yet you think the BE is going to more than double its TV deal to $10 million per school "at least"? You'll have to shake the BCS payout out of that $10 mill (BE won't get a major bowl contract on its own) at the very least.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:39 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:37 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:21 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:18 AM)TOGC Wrote:  I know math pretty well. I know that we're getting a huge windfall joining the Big East and you're pretty much screwed in the Alliance.

Enjoy that math.

What are you getting exactly? You have no idea. If you think it is going to be $15M per schools you are in for a severe dissapointment. Memphis is pretty screwed, because not only will they be the doormat of CUSA v2.0 football, they will probably get their arses handed to them in basketball as well. Enjoy the NIT!

We'll easily make more than we would in the Alliance. With the old deals of $1.2 to $1.4 for the MWC and CUSA, the deal will only get worse with Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, BSU, SDSU, and possibly AFA leaving. You'll be lucky, extremely lucky, if you break even. At most, you might see $2M and that would be charity.

We'll get $10M in the Big East easy, and most likely more than that. The conference has more coverage across the US than before, it upgraded in football, and is still one of the most dominant basketball conferences out there.

Memphis had the #20 strength of schedule in men's basketball this year. I think we can handle playing in the Big East. We'll be fine in football.

So the CUSA and MWC deal will go down, but the BE deal will double? Not likely friend. Nobody is going to pay to see SDSU vs. Memphis, or SMU vs. UCF, or any other combination. By your logic CUSA and the MWC should expect to double their revenues by adding a bunch of crap teams.

03-lmfao

You are so ignorant if you think the Alliance is anywhere near the level of the Big East.

Big East >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alliance

I can't wait until the contract numbers come out. You'll see why teams were in such a big hurry to leave.

If the BE demands such a huge contract why would Syracuse and Pitt want to leave for what you think will be less money? The correct answer is that they didn't leave for less money, they left for more money. The BE currently gets $8M less than the ACC per school. Now miraculously, by adding a slew of CUSA teams the BE will get something close to what the ACC gets? I don't see it, but I am also not an idiot. $6-8M per schools is probably what the BE will get, maybe $10M if lucky, and that is being generous. Anyone that thinks this hodge-podge of has beens and also-rans will rival what the top conferences get is an idiot.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:43 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  We'll easily make more than we would in the Alliance. With the old deals of $1.2 to $1.4 for the MWC and CUSA, the deal will only get worse with Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, BSU, SDSU, and possibly AFA leaving. You'll be lucky, extremely lucky, if you break even. At most, you might see $2M and that would be charity.

We'll get $10M in the Big East easy, and most likely more than that. The conference has more coverage across the US than before, it upgraded in football, and is still one of the most dominant basketball conferences out there.

Memphis had the #20 strength of schedule in men's basketball this year. I think we can handle playing in the Big East. We'll be fine in football.
BE did not upgrade it's football; it replaced historical programs with those who have recently been in minor bowls (including the only 2 to lay gooseggs while in C-USA and a third with multiple 1 win efforts - and that doesn't include Memphis football). You added Boise, who know has to negotiate without loading up with non-qualifiers.
Your basketball was overall downgraded, with the addition of two of the worst C-USA programs.
And yet you think the BE is going to more than double its TV deal to $10 million per school "at least"?

WV was the best football team leaving, and BSU more than compensates for them. Pitt was mediocre and Syracuse was awful. Houston easily makes up for that. SMU and UCF have been better than those two lately.

Basketball lost Syracuse, which is a legitimate criticism. But Pitt and WV are easily replaced by Temple and Memphis, which are in better markets.

Every estimate that's been thrown out there has the nBe teams getting between $10M-$16M each.

The Alliance broke off a deal for a full merger when TV execs came back with a very cold response. They had the same idea as the Big East with a coast-to-coast conference but with a huge drop in quality.

The BEST thing CUSA could do would be raid the MWC for its best remaining teams and tough it out by themselves. But as long as Britton is in charge, you can count on CUSA making the wrong decision.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:46 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Anyone that thinks this hodge-podge of has beens and also-rans will rival what the top conferences get is an idiot.

It sounds like you're perfectly describing the Alliance.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:46 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:39 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:37 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:21 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  What are you getting exactly? You have no idea. If you think it is going to be $15M per schools you are in for a severe dissapointment. Memphis is pretty screwed, because not only will they be the doormat of CUSA v2.0 football, they will probably get their arses handed to them in basketball as well. Enjoy the NIT!

We'll easily make more than we would in the Alliance. With the old deals of $1.2 to $1.4 for the MWC and CUSA, the deal will only get worse with Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, BSU, SDSU, and possibly AFA leaving. You'll be lucky, extremely lucky, if you break even. At most, you might see $2M and that would be charity.

We'll get $10M in the Big East easy, and most likely more than that. The conference has more coverage across the US than before, it upgraded in football, and is still one of the most dominant basketball conferences out there.

Memphis had the #20 strength of schedule in men's basketball this year. I think we can handle playing in the Big East. We'll be fine in football.

So the CUSA and MWC deal will go down, but the BE deal will double? Not likely friend. Nobody is going to pay to see SDSU vs. Memphis, or SMU vs. UCF, or any other combination. By your logic CUSA and the MWC should expect to double their revenues by adding a bunch of crap teams.

03-lmfao

You are so ignorant if you think the Alliance is anywhere near the level of the Big East.

Big East >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alliance

I can't wait until the contract numbers come out. You'll see why teams were in such a big hurry to leave.

If the BE demands such a huge contract why would Syracuse and Pitt want to leave for what you think will be less money? The correct answer is that they didn't leave for less money, they left for more money. The BE currently gets $8M less than the ACC per school. Now miraculously, by adding a slew of CUSA teams the BE will get something close to what the ACC gets? I don't see it, but I am also not an idiot. $6-8M per schools is probably what the BE will get, maybe $10M if lucky, and that is being generous. Anyone that thinks this hodge-podge of has beens and also-rans will rival what the top conferences get is an idiot.

Not to get into this pissing match the Big East hasn't negotiated a new contract since everyone started getting these huge TV contracts. The contract you're talking about is from 2005.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 09:56 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:46 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:39 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:37 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  We'll easily make more than we would in the Alliance. With the old deals of $1.2 to $1.4 for the MWC and CUSA, the deal will only get worse with Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF, BSU, SDSU, and possibly AFA leaving. You'll be lucky, extremely lucky, if you break even. At most, you might see $2M and that would be charity.

We'll get $10M in the Big East easy, and most likely more than that. The conference has more coverage across the US than before, it upgraded in football, and is still one of the most dominant basketball conferences out there.

Memphis had the #20 strength of schedule in men's basketball this year. I think we can handle playing in the Big East. We'll be fine in football.

So the CUSA and MWC deal will go down, but the BE deal will double? Not likely friend. Nobody is going to pay to see SDSU vs. Memphis, or SMU vs. UCF, or any other combination. By your logic CUSA and the MWC should expect to double their revenues by adding a bunch of crap teams.

03-lmfao

You are so ignorant if you think the Alliance is anywhere near the level of the Big East.

Big East >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alliance

I can't wait until the contract numbers come out. You'll see why teams were in such a big hurry to leave.

If the BE demands such a huge contract why would Syracuse and Pitt want to leave for what you think will be less money? The correct answer is that they didn't leave for less money, they left for more money. The BE currently gets $8M less than the ACC per school. Now miraculously, by adding a slew of CUSA teams the BE will get something close to what the ACC gets? I don't see it, but I am also not an idiot. $6-8M per schools is probably what the BE will get, maybe $10M if lucky, and that is being generous. Anyone that thinks this hodge-podge of has beens and also-rans will rival what the top conferences get is an idiot.

Not to get into this pissing match the Big East hasn't negotiated a new contract since everyone started getting these huge TV contracts. The contract you're talking about is from 2005.

Actually the BE negotiated its TV deal in 06/07, the same year the Big 10 did. The difference? The Big Ten gets $212M to split between its members, while the BE gets $42M to split between theirs. The BE gets about 25% of what the major conferences get. They will not get ACC money though, or anything comparable to the major conferences. Thinking you can add a bunch of CUSA schools and triple your TV deal is setting yourself up to be dissappointed.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 10:07 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Actually the BE negotiated its TV deal in 06/07, the same year the Big 10 did. The difference? The Big Ten gets $212M to split between its members, while the BE gets $42M to split between theirs. The BE gets about 25% of what the major conferences get. They will not get ACC money though, or anything comparable to the major conferences. Thinking you can add a bunch of CUSA schools and triple your TV deal is setting yourself up to be dissappointed.

NBC and ESPN have shown a lot of interest in picking up the Big East. Every estimate that's been put out there has been in the $10M-$16M range. Considering that the CUSA/Alliance estimates have all been under $4M per team, I'll take my chances in the Big East.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 10:39 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:07 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Actually the BE negotiated its TV deal in 06/07, the same year the Big 10 did. The difference? The Big Ten gets $212M to split between its members, while the BE gets $42M to split between theirs. The BE gets about 25% of what the major conferences get. They will not get ACC money though, or anything comparable to the major conferences. Thinking you can add a bunch of CUSA schools and triple your TV deal is setting yourself up to be dissappointed.

NBC and ESPN have shown a lot of interest in picking up the Big East. Every estimate that's been put out there has been in the $10M-$16M range. Considering that the CUSA/Alliance estimates have all been under $4M per team, I'll take my chances in the Big East.

Exactly, we'll make more money standing pat and collecting the exit fees from Memphis, UCF, Houston and SMU.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 10:48 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:39 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:07 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Actually the BE negotiated its TV deal in 06/07, the same year the Big 10 did. The difference? The Big Ten gets $212M to split between its members, while the BE gets $42M to split between theirs. The BE gets about 25% of what the major conferences get. They will not get ACC money though, or anything comparable to the major conferences. Thinking you can add a bunch of CUSA schools and triple your TV deal is setting yourself up to be dissappointed.

NBC and ESPN have shown a lot of interest in picking up the Big East. Every estimate that's been put out there has been in the $10M-$16M range. Considering that the CUSA/Alliance estimates have all been under $4M per team, I'll take my chances in the Big East.

Exactly, we'll make more money standing pat and collecting the exit fees from Memphis, UCF, Houston and SMU.

It won't be nearly as much as you think it is.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 10:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:48 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:39 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:07 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Actually the BE negotiated its TV deal in 06/07, the same year the Big 10 did. The difference? The Big Ten gets $212M to split between its members, while the BE gets $42M to split between theirs. The BE gets about 25% of what the major conferences get. They will not get ACC money though, or anything comparable to the major conferences. Thinking you can add a bunch of CUSA schools and triple your TV deal is setting yourself up to be dissappointed.

NBC and ESPN have shown a lot of interest in picking up the Big East. Every estimate that's been put out there has been in the $10M-$16M range. Considering that the CUSA/Alliance estimates have all been under $4M per team, I'll take my chances in the Big East.

Exactly, we'll make more money standing pat and collecting the exit fees from Memphis, UCF, Houston and SMU.

It won't be nearly as much as you think it is.

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(03-27-2012 10:07 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:56 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:46 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:39 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 09:37 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  So the CUSA and MWC deal will go down, but the BE deal will double? Not likely friend. Nobody is going to pay to see SDSU vs. Memphis, or SMU vs. UCF, or any other combination. By your logic CUSA and the MWC should expect to double their revenues by adding a bunch of crap teams.

03-lmfao

You are so ignorant if you think the Alliance is anywhere near the level of the Big East.

Big East >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alliance

I can't wait until the contract numbers come out. You'll see why teams were in such a big hurry to leave.

If the BE demands such a huge contract why would Syracuse and Pitt want to leave for what you think will be less money? The correct answer is that they didn't leave for less money, they left for more money. The BE currently gets $8M less than the ACC per school. Now miraculously, by adding a slew of CUSA teams the BE will get something close to what the ACC gets? I don't see it, but I am also not an idiot. $6-8M per schools is probably what the BE will get, maybe $10M if lucky, and that is being generous. Anyone that thinks this hodge-podge of has beens and also-rans will rival what the top conferences get is an idiot.

Not to get into this pissing match the Big East hasn't negotiated a new contract since everyone started getting these huge TV contracts. The contract you're talking about is from 2005.

Actually the BE negotiated its TV deal in 06/07, the same year the Big 10 did. The difference? The Big Ten gets $212M to split between its members, while the BE gets $42M to split between theirs. The BE gets about 25% of what the major conferences get. They will not get ACC money though, or anything comparable to the major conferences. Thinking you can add a bunch of CUSA schools and triple your TV deal is setting yourself up to be dissappointed.

The Big East doesnt and shouldnt match up to the Big10 tv contract numbers. The Big 10 in terms of prestige and number of fans is likey the number one conference with the SEC a close number two. The Big East is #6. One of the limiting factors on the Big East popularity has been they only had 8 football teams while the other major conferences had more. That pretty much ensures the Big East would have fewer fans. Now that the BE will have 14 teams spread across the more populated portions of the country, its reasonable to think thier TV contract will increase significantly. Add in the massive escalation of college football values over the last 6 years and I fully expect the Big East to land a contract in the ACC range.

Remember, the ACC is locked into a realtively older contract and will be stuck at that amount until something like 2027---which means they are underpaid. Given the current college football landscape with multiple networks bidding, the New Big East surpassing the ACC numbers is a very strong possibility. When (or if) the Alliance finally is established, I fully expected them to benefit from the same factors (more teams, escalating values, multiple bidders) to greatly increase thier contracts. Bottom line---Its just a good time to be negotiating a TV rights contract for college sports.
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(03-27-2012 10:53 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:48 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:39 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:07 AM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Actually the BE negotiated its TV deal in 06/07, the same year the Big 10 did. The difference? The Big Ten gets $212M to split between its members, while the BE gets $42M to split between theirs. The BE gets about 25% of what the major conferences get. They will not get ACC money though, or anything comparable to the major conferences. Thinking you can add a bunch of CUSA schools and triple your TV deal is setting yourself up to be dissappointed.

NBC and ESPN have shown a lot of interest in picking up the Big East. Every estimate that's been put out there has been in the $10M-$16M range. Considering that the CUSA/Alliance estimates have all been under $4M per team, I'll take my chances in the Big East.

Exactly, we'll make more money standing pat and collecting the exit fees from Memphis, UCF, Houston and SMU.

It won't be nearly as much as you think it is.

WE GONNA BE RICH!!!!03-woohoo

Sure, if you think splitting $2M with eight other teams is rich.
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(03-27-2012 10:58 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Sure, if you think splitting $2M with eight other teams is rich.

More like $24 - 28 million :sly:
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(03-27-2012 10:58 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Sure, if you think splitting $2M with eight other teams is rich.

More like $24 - 28 million :sly:

Not going to happen.
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RE: Major News.. Merger may be dead.. Alliance only? Jon Wilner
(03-27-2012 11:06 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 11:01 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  
(03-27-2012 10:58 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Sure, if you think splitting $2M with eight other teams is rich.

More like $24 - 28 million :sly:

Not going to happen.

How much would Memphis pay not to get curb stomped every year by the Sun Belt?
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