(03-25-2012 08:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Those big money alumni helped get SMU into the Big East. Yes, ECU has spent a bunch of money but can't offer coaches the money SMU can.

Those Big Alums done nothing to get SMU into the BE. The #6 Market in the US got them there and nothing else. The 6 million + TV sets in the area got them there. Same for Houston.

(03-25-2012 08:36 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Mr St Johns fan...This isn't the BE of old. The schools that "Made" The BE are all but gone, moved on. And as soon as Rutgers and UConn can move on they will. There is no Miami, VA Tech, BC, Syacuse, Pitt, WVU. Those are the schools that made the BE what they were.

Just wait and see the reaction you will get from UConn or Louisville when they go play basketball infront of less than 1000 fans at Houston or SMU. Or 16K or less show up to see UCF at SMU game, on TV in the middle of the day.

BE3.0 will be no better than the alliance. Money wise maybe but thats it.

Just wait till Boise is no longer able to take NQers and their recruiting drops off. They will no longer be winning 12 games a year. Take a look at Louisville and you will see Boise in 5 years.

Also when was ST Johns relevant the last time, if at all.

If that happens then you can claim that, until then you're just trolling. This isn't about me or SJU, it's about SMU and Buzz Williams.

(03-25-2012 08:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  This isn't about me or SJU, it's about SMU and Buzz Williams.

If BW goes to SMU he is a freakin idiot.... SMU has no tridition in basketball and they cheated to get the tridition in football as did everyone in the SWAC at that time, except for Rice.

(03-25-2012 08:39 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 08:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Those big money alumni helped get SMU into the Big East. Yes, ECU has spent a bunch of money but can't offer coaches the money SMU can.

Those Big Alums done nothing to get SMU into the BE. The #6 Market in the US got them there and nothing else. The 6 million + TV sets in the area got them there. Same for Houston.

Thats not entirely true. If you think thats all the BE wanted then why add Navy, go after Air Force or add Boise St?

(03-25-2012 06:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 03:33 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 02:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  No he didnt have the BCS angle to sell last year. Also the BCS as we know it might be going away but the Big East is a clear step up from CUSA. Sorry guys, but we all know thats the truth. The Big East will still have a seat at the playoff table. They do have some allies (Notre Dame) at the table with them.

You are wrong. He absolutely did have the BE to recruit to. SMU was invited and accepted well before the signing date. Try again. And do you really think that the opportunity to play Lou and Cincy is some great recruiting aid? It isn't - been there, done that.

Yes, the BE is ahead of the Alliance. "Big step up"...hardly. It just isn't. The schools have no inherent advantages over the Alliance schools: they have no more tradition, are not higher profile schools than the Alliance. What they mostly do is play better football right now.
And I have no doubt that the BE will fight to the end to keep their BCS payday, because they know they can't compete for major bowls in the open market.
But if the BE is so great, why are they so scared of actually EARNING their position.

1. June Jones hasn't had a single kid he recruited on the field since SMU was invited to the Big East.

2. The Big East has a HUGE monetary advantage over the CUSA/MWC.

3. I don't know where you think the tradition in CUSA lies once Houston. SMU and Memphis leaves.

4. The Big East did earn its position, thats why we have it. That doesn't mean someone else wont fight to take it from you. I fought hard and earned my job and my girlfriend but don't think their isnt someone trying to take both from me and damn right i'll fight to keep both.

Im just here talking sports, a lot of you guys are coming off bitter that you didn't get an invite. Im sorry you didn't but don't get upset about it. It's just sports. If anything this gives USM and ECU the chance to be the new Boise or Utah. You want your shot? Prove to the whole country you deserve it. Thats what they did along with TCU.

THE BIG 5, and soon to be the BIG 4 and I ain't talking about accounting firms

(03-25-2012 08:45 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 08:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  This isn't about me or SJU, it's about SMU and Buzz Williams.

If BW goes to SMU he is a freakin idiot.... SMU has no tridition in basketball and they cheated to get the tridition in football as did everyone in the SWAC at that time, except for Rice.

What is this tridition you mentioned twice?

(03-25-2012 08:45 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 08:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  This isn't about me or SJU, it's about SMU and Buzz Williams.

If BW goes to SMU he is a freakin idiot.... SMU has no tridition in basketball and they cheated to get the tridition in football as did everyone in the SWAC at that time, except for Rice.

Maybe. Maybe not. Dallas is a big market with lots of national exposure, close to home for him, brand new everything, a chance to build his own legacy aaaaaaand big money which means they will spend whatever it takes to be the best. Oh and you know the boosters wont do anything illegal.

Williams took over an exceptional team at Marquette when Crean left for Indiana. The players that are at Marquette now are his recruits. So he has kept thingS going, whats the use to start over from scratch only to be the doormat of the BE. SMU has had 1 season above .500 in CUSA. There isn't that much difference from 1.8 to 2-2.5 million dollars.

I don't think any other school in C-USA is willing to throw that kind of money around on a coach right now (really any nBE C-USA schools). That kind of commitment probably did play a large role into why SMU was added. They have a pretty legit metro population, but their desire to win is probably a bigger reason as to why they were added. If SMU was still acting like pre-Jones SMU, they probably would not have been added.

(03-25-2012 09:46 PM)canewton Wrote:  I don't think any other school in C-USA is willing to throw that kind of money around on a coach right now (really any nBE C-USA schools). That kind of commitment probably did play a large role into why SMU was added. They have a pretty legit metro population, but their desire to win is probably a bigger reason as to why they were added. If SMU was still acting like pre-Jones SMU, they probably would not have been added.

If we were still acting like pre-Jones SMU, we'd probably be considering a drop to Division III right now.

(03-25-2012 08:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-25-2012 08:36 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Mr St Johns fan...This isn't the BE of old. The schools that "Made" The BE are all but gone, moved on. And as soon as Rutgers and UConn can move on they will. There is no Miami, VA Tech, BC, Syacuse, Pitt, WVU. Those are the schools that made the BE what they were.

Just wait and see the reaction you will get from UConn or Louisville when they go play basketball infront of less than 1000 fans at Houston or SMU. Or 16K or less show up to see UCF at SMU game, on TV in the middle of the day.

BE3.0 will be no better than the alliance. Money wise maybe but thats it.

Just wait till Boise is no longer able to take NQers and their recruiting drops off. They will no longer be winning 12 games a year. Take a look at Louisville and you will see Boise in 5 years.

Also when was ST Johns relevant the last time, if at all.

If that happens then you can claim that, until then you're just trolling. This isn't about me or SJU, it's about SMU and Buzz Williams.

Just to put this in perspective, just suppose that a poster from UNC visited the BE board and extolled the virtues of the Syracuse's alums willing to foot a $10MM annual salary of a new football coach. That same poster then stated that it's too bad no other BE school could. There's no doubt that he'd be treated the same way that you've been treated here.

Cooling your jets a bit would be a good idea......and that's coming from a future nBE member's fan.

We've got some pretty smart and classy SMU posters here that can tell their story very well. Perhaps they could do it as well or better than than a SJU fan.

(03-25-2012 06:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The Big East did earn its position, thats why we have it. That doesn't mean someone else wont fight to take it from you. I fought hard and earned my job and my girlfriend but don't think their isnt someone trying to take both from me and damn right i'll fight to keep both.

Im just here talking sports, a lot of you guys are coming off bitter that you didn't get an invite. Im sorry you didn't but don't get upset about it. It's just sports. If anything this gives USM and ECU the chance to be the new Boise or Utah. You want your shot? Prove to the whole country you deserve it. Thats what they did along with TCU.

Examiner, all I'm saying is that there are some bruised feelings here, mostly for the right reasons, and folks need to understand why some comments from visitors cause the reactions they get.

But, in the end, everyone is free to post what they want, just don't be surprised at the reaction or if those posts get moved to the smack board.

edit....no surprise that this ended up here.