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Thanks, Okie.....for some reason Miami didn't show up during the Harper era..they were in the NCAA's 3 straight years starting in 1984 I think but aren't listed. They lost in the first round all three times, the last two being heartbreaker OT's losses to Maryland and Iowa St.

UMass seems missing from 1997 and 1998

Temple is completely absent....

They have to track all non-AQ seeding, no exceptions for Temple, Memphis or anyone else for this analysis to have any value.

What might be best is tabulating all of the single digit seeds from the non-AQ group and seeing where that has trended over time.

(03-24-2012 08:49 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Thanks, Okie.....for some reason Miami didn't show up during the Harper era..they were in the NCAA's 3 straight years starting in 1984 I think but aren't listed. They lost in the first round all three times, the last two being heartbreaker OT's losses to Maryland and Iowa St.

Miami was a 8 seed in 1984

1985 they were a 12 seed (Ohio 14)
1986 they were a 10 seed (Ball State 14)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_NCAA_M...Tournament

Thanks, Louis..I remember the #8 seeding...our best ever I think and we played poorly in the western region that year and lost by double digits. Both our next two years we had the lead late in the game but couldn't put it away. Against Maryland (and Len Bias if you guys remember him), we had a 3 point lead in regulation with 29 seconds but couldn't "seal the deal" and lost in OT in '85.

Eastern Michigan also went (along with WMU) back in 1998 but aren't listed (lost in first round)...not sure how the list was compiled, but its still a nice effort...

(03-25-2012 11:29 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Thanks, Louis..I remember the #8 seeding...our best ever I think and we played poorly in the western region that year and lost by double digits. Both our next two years we had the lead late in the game but couldn't put it away. Against Maryland (and Len Bias if you guys remember him), we had a 3 point lead in regulation with 29 seconds but couldn't "seal the deal" and lost in OT in '85.

All I can remember is Len Bias overdosing after drafted 4th overall by the Boston Celtics in 1986.

That draft mistake really hurt the Celtics as they had an aging team and couldn't gradually rebuild as Bird-McHale-Parrish neared their shelf life. Maintaining a dynasty is VERY hard to do in the NBA because of egos and salaries with teams many times relying on the talents of one overly gifted player that once retires leaves an a gap that isn't replaceable.

That makes the college game in many ways more fun because its about the unique programs and scheduling that can sustain a program for many years long after the players are gone.

Updated. Missed those two instances Miami and UMass were seeded higher than their opponents in their first round games.

Unless one subscribes basketball majors consist only of teams in the six most visible conferences, there are going to be some gray areas. Who would consider Louisville or Marquette mid-major hoops schools prior to them joining the Big East? How about UNLV during the Tarkanian era? What about Temple?

I've also included who I consider "Major" or "Non Major" at the end of the document. Certainly there will be differences of opinion. Maybe Gonzaga and Xavier should now be considered "Majors", but at what year does one switch 'em over?

If anyone sees an error, please post the correction.

P.S. Teams who lost in the first round are listed only if they were seeded higher.

(03-25-2012 07:40 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  Updated. Missed those two instances Miami and UMass were seeded higher than their opponents in their first round games.

Unless one subscribes basketball majors consist only of teams in the six most visible conferences, there are going to be some gray areas. Who would consider Louisville or Marquette mid-major hoops schools prior to them joining the Big East? How about UNLV during the Tarkanian era? What about Temple?

I would consider anyone who is in a BCS conference as of the 2013-14 season and automatically remove them from the mid-major consideration.

That includes SMU, Houston, Memphis, Central Florida, TCU

I would include all non-6 conferences and I would only count top 10 seeds or higher by year.

UNLV was playing in the Big West during their days of dominance and is now no longer on the level they once were (though quite good today). Louisville and Marquette belong with the majors, they were traditionally considered that way and they have been in the Big East for almost a decade now.