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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
(03-22-2012 08:09 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  Yeah,but across the board firings and taking on buy outs and targeting one candidate from a "mid-major" with ties to the state and midwest and who it is presumed would jump at the chance to coach there and then upping and upping and upping the offer to that one! Who then REJECTS those MULTIPLE and INCREASING offers...

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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
I heard chatter at bar I visited last nite that Smart was concerned about whether or not his ethical recruiting high ground would be put to the test at a U and in Chgo and the state where bending the rules has been a historical matter of how business gets done.

Never ended up hurting the career of Simeon's D Rose, now did it?
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
I believe the coaches at the "high mid major" (how I hate that term just can't think of another one that fits) like VCU, Butler, Gonzaga, St Mary's etc have realized is that once they establish themselves and reach a Sweet 16 or win the NIT, that they get a nice pay bump; the national recruiting exposure on either CBS or ESPN(or both) and that gives them a significant leg up in their conference. If your in the A10, MVC or WCC which have received multiple bids now that the SEC & 12 PAC are sucking at hoops; why leave a high paying low pressure situation where you have carved out an advantage in your conference and risk ruining your career and reputation by trying to rebuild at a Big 6 conference program.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
They may go after Brad Stevens next but if I'm Stevens even though Butler has had a bit of a down year this year; you know he will have them back at the top of the Horizon Shortly. If he takes them to a 3rd title game, he will have offers from bigger programs than Illinois.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
Stevens is a better fit. His style of play is far better suited to be successful in the Big Ten than Smart's helter-skelter "Havoc" style.

Not sure how those stuck in yesteryear and dreaming of the days of the Flying Illini would feel about becoming another boring snail-paced Big Ten squad.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
Doubt if it'll be Stevens. It's all but certain that Illinois' next coach will be an African-American.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
Their AD is catching enough grief for hiring the guru from Toledo for football, he won't hire Stevens. Stevens will be viewed as another Weber by their dillusional fans.
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Lots of coin to pass up.
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If they are a "Top 10" program like they claim to believe, why not go after the head coach at #11, 12, 13, etc.?

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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
(03-22-2012 12:15 AM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  Surprised Greg McDermott from Creighton hasn't been mentioned.

He's white. He won't get the job. It's just about guaranteed Illinois will make the politically correct choice and hire a black coach since they never have for football or men's basketball. They're getting a lot of pressure to do so. Sad, but true.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
How is it "politically correct" to specifically target someone as a candidate and use "race" as a disqualifying criterion?

Isn't that the definition of racism?
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
y'all have any idea of how difficult it will be for stevens to EVER sniff another final four, much less a title game at Butler? He better take the money and run soon or he will become a footnote--just another guy who had a great run "a few years ago." How quickly fans/AD's forget--it is all about the "coach du jour" and Bradley ain't gonna be that much longer.

And, no, howlnprowl, it is the definition of diversity or "it is about damn time!"
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
Niubrad00, because a couple of the many trustees they have doesnt mean they are getting alot of pressure. Some of the powers that be at Illinois are showing that they do not understand race in america. Just because your head coach is black doesnt mean black city kids will be coming to U of I. AAU coaches and highschool coaches dont care if you are black or white. They care if you will play the game their way or not. Coaches like Calipari and Pitino are very comfortable in that world, guys like webber and smart may not be. If Illinois wants to get more black city kids on the team, they should start by increasing their black student population. 300-400 of 40k students is not very inviting for many of the potential bball players. Illinois is not rebuilding they just are hiring a coach. They are a middle of the road Bigten team that once in awhile is at the top.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
(03-22-2012 11:50 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  They may go after Brad Stevens next but if I'm Stevens even though Butler has had a bit of a down year this year; you know he will have them back at the top of the Horizon Shortly. If he takes them to a 3rd title game, he will have offers from bigger programs than Illinois.

This is who I would suggest to UIHuskie, Stevens would be 100 times better than Shaka
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
Big time players play for coaches and how many dollars they can get on the side. They could care less what school it is and how many blacks are on campus. How many kids does NIU have walking around from Norway?

If you have been on the U of I campus the last couple of years, you will notive the Asian population is almost the majority. But that is another story.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
Niu75, The Asian population at U of I is 4,991 kids out of 42,606, hardly the majority. U of I enrollment fall 2011 had 2,156 black students, 2,680 hispanic students and 23,484 white students. I dont know what the amount of kids from norway at Niu has to do with anything. If you are talking about the guys on the Niu bball team, I am sure they heard good things about Niu from previous other athletes from norway that went to niu. My point is if you want to play the Illinois highschool bball game then it doesnt matter the color of your coach! The web site, Illinois Prep Bullseye talks about this in a article today.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
(03-22-2012 12:42 PM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  How is it "politically correct" to specifically target someone as a candidate and use "race" as a disqualifying criterion?

Isn't that the definition of racism?

Exactly. It's stupid and racist, but it's accepted and even expected. It's basically affirmative action and meeting quotas. Illinois has never had a black football or men's basketball coach and they're expected to.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
(03-22-2012 03:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(03-22-2012 11:50 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  They may go after Brad Stevens next but if I'm Stevens even though Butler has had a bit of a down year this year; you know he will have them back at the top of the Horizon Shortly. If he takes them to a 3rd title game, he will have offers from bigger programs than Illinois.

This is who I would suggest to UIHuskie, Stevens would be 100 times better than Shaka

MD, you won't believe this but...we agree on something! (Although 100 times is probably a little strong) Somebody mentioned earlier that the UI fanbase wouldn't be happy with Stevens, and that's not true. Couldn't be further from the truth, he'd be accepted and I also think he's a fantastic coach. Unlike Weber, he relates well to players and is extremely good in the media. Problem is he has no desire to coach outside the State of Indiana unless the Duke job comes open.

Also, FWIW, I'm hearing that Smart declining UI's offer may have satisfied the two trustees who brought up the lack of a minority hire after the football coaching search. I'm not sure there will be quite as much emphasis on that going forward in this particular search.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
The ILL offered Sumlin a job as head football coach and Shaka a job as head bball coach. I think everyone should get a fair shot regardless of skin color.

I think it is ridiculous that since they made offers to minorities and turned down that they still think that the ILL has to hire one exclusively.

Could you imagine a NFL team saying we "have to" have a starting white running back because we haven't had one in 30 years. People would be livid.
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RE: OT: Report has Shaka Smart REJECTING the Illness
(03-21-2012 06:51 PM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  
(03-21-2012 04:48 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  Not that I care ...but they could always try to steal away another MAC coach. Ohio Bobcats are doing very well this year... Maybe the Illness would want to go fishing in the MAC pool again.

Hmmm...let's see.

Is there a MAC coach who is doing a full re-build job, knows and is establishing IL and Chicago recruiting, and who knows and has Big Ten experience...hmmm.

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