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Poll: You are the MAC Commissioner. You would… (ONLY for MAC fans and schools mentioned in poll)
Give UMass two-year notice; go back to 12 members (12)
Keep UMass football-only; add JMU & GMU as full members (14/14)
Make UMass full member; add JMU as a full member (14)
Make UMass full member; add JMU, GMU & Drexel as full members (14/16)
Make UMass full member; add JMU, GMU & VCU as full members (14/16)
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http://www.gazettenet.com/2011/05/03/con...e-released

Quote:"But if either UMass or Temple were to announce a decision to leave, the other's membership could change.

The MAC would have the option of retaining the remaining school as a full member, replacing the departing school with another program or converting the remaining team's membership to a term contract of no less than two years."

It appears that the MAC has the prerogative to choose from the following options:**
• Retain UMass as a full member
• Replace Temple with another program
• Convert the UMass membership to a term contract of no less than two years

(**The MAC may only have the option to add UMass as a full member under the contract once UMass is officially in the MAC. So, the MAC needs to not let Temple officially leave until after July 1 when UMass officially enters the league.)

The obvious choice should be option #1, retain UMass as a FULL MEMBER.

UMass probably would not appreciate this, but it is a term of the signed contract and UMass can go ahead and be as mad as it wants to be at Temple, but tough cookies.

Now, what can UMass do?

• UMass can leave the MAC after Temple’s official exit and pay the $500,000 exit fee. (The MAC can go back to 12 members and be done with it).

This would allow UMass to keep its basketball and Olympic sports in the A-10 and either go back to FCS, petition that the NCAA allow it to become a FBS independent or hope that the “merger” takes them as a football-only (without Temple) or hope that the “merger” doesn’t kill off the WAC and that the WAC takes them as a football-only, or see if the Sun Belt would take them as a football-only. Of course the “merger” could kill the WAC as a way to get UMass as a full member, but at that point, it ends up losing its basketball A-10 membership so why not just stay in the MAC.

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• UMass joins the MAC as a full member.

Due to a genius contract move by the MAC, this would allow UMass to exit the MAC immediately at a reduced fee of $250,000. But due to the short notice, most likely UMass would have to play at least one season in the MAC but it could seek a permanent home elsewhere. It can shop itself to other conferences as a football-only and try to get its other sports back into the A-10 (assuming the A-10 would be okay with taking them back considering that the conference would know that it wasn’t UMass’s intention to leave in the first place). If this isn’t an option it could leave after the first year and become a FBS independent (assuming the NCAA would allow it) or move to another conference as an all sports member, but again, at that point why not just stay in the MAC, especially because if UMass stays for at least 2 years it may not have to pay an exit fee to leave.

UPDATE: New developments have Charlotte possibly leaving the A-10, so (maybe) the A-10 becomes less attractive and, by extension, the MAC becomes more attractive/less unattractive. The MAC needs to act ASAP.

The MAC needs to exercise its contractual right and make UMass a full member now before adding a school, which would in essence satisfy the contract with the second option, “replace Temple with another program” and the MAC would lose out on the opportunity to bring UMass in for all sports.

The MAC can play with 13 teams for the 2012 season and add JMU as its 14th member in 2013.

I think a 16-team conference works for basketball and possibly many Olympic sports, but I think it is too cumbersome of a conference structure for football. I would prefer to see the MAC move to a 14/16 membership structure.

Once UMass is secured as the 13th full member (and the contract is restructured so that it safeguards against UMass bolting after the two-year term), I would like to see the MAC send full-membership invitations to JMU, GMU, and either Drexel or VCU.

The two non-football schools bring added value (financial, brand reach, regional rivalries, recruiting), especially to MAC basketball, without diluting the MAC football revenue.

If for what ever reason, UMass is allowed to stay on as a football-only member, the MAC should offer JMU and GMU full membership and move to a 14/14 structure.

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RE: UNOFFICIAL “What the MAC should do” thread
where's the "they should post realignment threads on the realignment boards" choice?
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What do you mean when you say to keep UMass as football only and add JMU and GMU to make it 14? That would make it 15.
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(03-14-2012 10:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What do you mean when you say to keep UMass as football only and add JMU and GMU to make it 14? That would make it 15.

Actually, it is neither 14 nor 15. That would be a 14/14 structure.

14 football members (GMU does not sponsor football) and 14 basketball/Olympic sports (UMass would be a football-only member).
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RE: UNOFFICIAL “What the MAC should do” thread
There are reports that Butler may want to join the A10. That might perk up the conference a bit.
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Where's the, Keep Umass never choice.
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You did not put in a Scratch My Butt option! How can you not have a Scratch My Butt option?

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Nothing in the contract mentions any sports but football. The MAC did not put in a sneaky clause that allows them to force UMass into the conference for all-sports for a season on a technicality when Temple leaves. That is silly. It means full member for football only. Sheesh. The poll makes no sense.
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The way it works is that, if the MAC gives UMass the 2+ year notice to end the arrangement, UMass has the right to join the MAC as a full (aka all-sports) member. The MAC cannot refuse to admit UMass. That's the distinction. UMass can self-invite itself. All the MAC can do is terminate the football-only aspect.
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RE: UNOFFICIAL “What the MAC should do” thread
(03-15-2012 05:48 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  Blah! You do not know how to do poles.03-melodramatic

If he lives anywhere in the south Chicago suburbs, I'll bet you he does know how to do Poles.
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(03-15-2012 07:43 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The way it works is that, if the MAC gives UMass the 2+ year notice to end the arrangement, UMass has the right to join the MAC as a full (aka all-sports) member. The MAC cannot refuse to admit UMass. That's the distinction. UMass can self-invite itself. All the MAC can do is terminate the football-only aspect.

Thanks for the clarification. That’s what I thought it meant, but decided that I MUST have misinterpreted the language because that MAKES NO SENSE for the MAC. It is basically a term that gives UMass leverage over the MAC disguised as one that gives the MAC leverage over the [team left of the two that didn’t leave].

How can you give a University the legal power to decide what the make-up of your league will be without any say in the matter!?! WOW! The folks in Cleveland need to hire smarter lawyers.

So, then the only true options available to the MAC are options 1 & (first-half of) 2 above:

• Give UMass two-year notice and terminate the contract and wait to see what UMass decides in regards to full membership and the constitution of the MAC.
• Keep UMass as a football-only and decide what to do about adding any future members in an attempt to balance out football divisions.

Again, WOW! Ridiculous.

I’d still like to see UMass as a full member but would prefer if the MAC and UMass came to an agreement to make it happen without having to exercise the termination clause and “force” the issue. Why won’t UMass just like us, we’re a great girlfriend!

So if you take out the language that states that the MAC forces the issue with UMass becoming a full member, the poll makes sense if the question is “What do you want the MAC to try to do?”

Also adding the option to Keep UMass as football-only and stay at 13 could be added as an option.

To UMass fans: I’ll assume that remaining a football-only is the top choice for you, BUT if your administration decided to join the MAC as a full member, which of the options (#3 - #5) described in the poll would be your preference?
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(03-15-2012 08:38 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 05:48 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  Blah! You do not know how to do poles.03-melodramatic

If he lives anywhere in the south Chicago suburbs, I'll bet you he does know how to do Poles.

The first girl I ever felt up was a Pole...mammaries, um, memories. :sly:
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(03-15-2012 09:13 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 08:38 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 05:48 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  Blah! You do not know how to do poles.03-melodramatic

If he lives anywhere in the south Chicago suburbs, I'll bet you he does know how to do Poles.

The first girl I ever felt up was a Pole...mammaries, um, memories. :sly:

And my grandmother still has the restraining order on you. 03-wink
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(03-15-2012 11:02 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 09:13 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 08:38 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 05:48 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  Blah! You do not know how to do poles.03-melodramatic

If he lives anywhere in the south Chicago suburbs, I'll bet you he does know how to do Poles.

The first girl I ever felt up was a Pole...mammaries, um, memories. :sly:

And my grandmother still has the restraining order on you. 03-wink

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(03-15-2012 07:43 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The way it works is that, if the MAC gives UMass the 2+ year notice to end the arrangement, UMass has the right to join the MAC as a full (aka all-sports) member. The MAC cannot refuse to admit UMass. That's the distinction. UMass can self-invite itself. All the MAC can do is terminate the football-only aspect.

So then that is what we should do. Give you all the 2 year notice to end the arrangement and then as retaliation to spite us, you invite yourself to become a full member. I recommend that...do it. That'll show us. 04-cheers
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Looking forward to the schedule and the basketball line ups. The MAC is being good to us and the MAC has learn that despite everything, there is a business side to sports. The MAC has already made 6.5M by this arrangement, we pay 100k dues next year and receive zero TV or Bowl money. This will always be a two way street, benefits to the MAC and UMass.
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MAC played several seasons with Temple and 13 teams. I see UMass as a replacement for Temple. I guess the most likely option would be to offer JMU football only and just cash the checks UMass and JMU sends us. JMU and UMass aren't gonna change MAC hoops that much. MAC is content on taking the easy money. If ODU and Delaware also come in for football only that's more easy cash for the MAC.
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(03-15-2012 09:09 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  To UMass fans: I’ll assume that remaining a football-only is the top choice for you, BUT if your administration decided to join the MAC as a full member, which of the options (#3 - #5) described in the poll would be your preference?

It wouldn't really matter. The only realistic additions to the MAC that would impact UMass would be Delaware for travel and ODU for basketball, but neither is that big a help. And I have a lot of respect for what they're building down in Harrisonburg, but adding JMU doesn't do anything more for UMass than Northern Iowa in travel/basketball. San Jose State for football-only sounds as good as anything else.
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(03-15-2012 05:49 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 09:09 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  To UMass fans: I’ll assume that remaining a football-only is the top choice for you, BUT if your administration decided to join the MAC as a full member, which of the options (#3 - #5) described in the poll would be your preference?

It wouldn't really matter. The only realistic additions to the MAC that would impact UMass would be Delaware for travel and ODU for basketball, but neither is that big a help. And I have a lot of respect for what they're building down in Harrisonburg, but adding JMU doesn't do anything more for UMass than Northern Iowa in travel/basketball. San Jose State for football-only sounds as good as anything else.

That is a great point that I think is missed...just how far UMass is away from almost any addition to the MAC.

The answer may be just to let UMass go in 2 years and add Delaware, ODU, JMU all sports. Delaware is an acceptable replacement for UMass, IMO and they have an adequate on campus football stadium.

MAC in Mini-Playoff format:

MAC Atlantic: Buffalo, Ohio, Delaware, JMU, Old Dominion
MAC East: Akron, Kent, Toledo, Bowling Green, EMU
MAC West: WMU, CMU, Ball State, Miami, Northern Illinois

Most everybody would be with their core rivals. The East schools would have extremely low travel. Ohio can maximize its recruiting in the Atlantic, Miami can maximize its recruiting in the West.

The MAC made a mistake with UMass and should have gone after Delaware instead.
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I honestly don't see the point in letting UMASS go in two years...it doesn't make sense. We would be kicking them out because we are afraid of them leaving? What's done is done and we should just keep them now until the Big East calls them up in a couple of years. But, we should have learned our lesson for no more football onlies. They won't hurt us by being in the conference until then so I see no point in kicking them out.

It will be annoying though to see another FCS program move up to FBS and in a couple years be looking down on all of us from their position in a power 6 conference while we are all stagnating. But that's just envy on my part.
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