(03-15-2012 04:43 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 06:06 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
The buyout for Ziegler was just under $370,000. How might that affect who they may be able to hire? Remember, Ramsey's was $200,000 less. Couldn't have happened to a better school. (the buyout)

Here is an article by David Goricki, Detroit News.

He tosses out a lot of names including some who were candidates for Murphy's position:

Boylan, Lichlighter, etc. Dane Fife's name was dropped.

http://blogs.detroitnews.com/collegespor...rett-reed/

What I also found fascinating is the reference to Trey and his childhood friend, Austin McBroom. Yep, it appears that are a package deal waiting to happen.

What a package deal: dad as an ass't coach + Trey + Austin McBroom.

Curious if they will stay in the midwest or go back to California?

CMU next year might rival the '2011/'12 NIU team for lack of talent.

This program hasn't hit bottom yet.

Considering that the MAC West was absolute dogs*** last year, a rebuilding CMU will fit nicely in the middle of the pack. Give them a competent coach and understanding that they always recruit better than WMU and EMU instate, I don't see them being in dire straits, I just don't. Gotta be objective here.

Dear Bob,
The point of recruiting better than Eastern in-state is understandable, when one looks at who our coach was before Murphy. I don't know if that will continue, but I think with Murphy, and producing winning teams at Eastern, we should be able to out-recruit Central for Detroit talent.
That was one of the mysteries of the Ramsey regime. He had as Associate Coach, Mcdowell, from Detroit Redford, who came close to winning State titles there, and they couldn't seem to recruit anyone from Detroit. Only two players come to mind, and the kid from Pershing, ended by not playing for medical reasons.

(03-15-2012 08:32 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Bob,
The point of recruiting better than Eastern in-state is understandable, when one looks at who our coach was before Murphy. I don't know if that will continue, but I think with Murphy, and producing winning teams at Eastern, we should be able to out-recruit Central for Detroit talent.
That was one of the mysteries of the Ramsey regime. He had as Associate Coach, Mcdowell, from Detroit Redford, who came close to winning State titles there, and they couldn't seem to recruit anyone from Detroit. Only two players come to mind, and the kid from Pershing, ended by not playing for medical reasons.

One of the reasons I completely lost interest in hoops recruiting.

This staff should have been able to recruit with Ramsey, McDowell, Thomas, etc. and yet they end up with players like Stewart (Texas JUCO?), etc. who couldn't play.

That staff couldn't recruit Detroit, Lansing, Michigan or much else.

Based on that, it is NO surprise they did not succeed as a program.

Ken and Steve, here's the bigger issue: University of Detroit and Oakland U are becoming very formidable instate and Toledo is on the rise. Let's be real, U-D and Oakland play exciting basketball and most kids like playing their style. We are in serious danger of becoming the 6th or 7th option in our own state. Thank God we do have Murphy because if we had stayed with Ramsey, we would be doomed. Next year we will keep CMU at bay and I will be disappointed if we don't win at least 20 games and battle for the conference tournament championship.

(03-15-2012 11:02 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Ken and Steve, here's the bigger issue: University of Detroit and Oakland U are becoming very formidable instate and Toledo is on the rise. Let's be real, U-D and Oakland play exciting basketball and most kids like playing their style. We are in serious danger of becoming the 6th or 7th option in our own state. Thank God we do have Murphy because if we had stayed with Ramsey, we would be doomed. Next year we will keep CMU at bay and I will be disappointed if we don't win at least 20 games and battle for the conference tournament championship.

Well stated, Bob.

And don't forget there are other coaches, nearby but not in MI, who know MI.

How about Gary Waters at Cleveland State.

BG has LaMonta Stone as an asst coach.

(03-15-2012 11:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 11:02 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Ken and Steve, here's the bigger issue: University of Detroit and Oakland U are becoming very formidable instate and Toledo is on the rise. Let's be real, U-D and Oakland play exciting basketball and most kids like playing their style. We are in serious danger of becoming the 6th or 7th option in our own state. Thank God we do have Murphy because if we had stayed with Ramsey, we would be doomed. Next year we will keep CMU at bay and I will be disappointed if we don't win at least 20 games and battle for the conference tournament championship.

Well stated, Bob.

And don't forget there are other coaches, nearby but not in MI, who know MI.

How about Gary Waters at Cleveland State.

BG has LaMonta Stone as an asst coach.

Plus Mark Montgomery I'm sure will be nosing around in his old stomping grounds. It is definitely 'Game On' for the mid-major recruiting supremacy. With Murphy and company, we have a fighting chance. Life would be easier if Detroit and Toledo were still down and Oakland was still regarded as a Low-major.

Yes, it is going to be tough-city recruiting in Michigan and whomever is at the bottom (NIU? CMU? etc.) will be hurting.

I do believe that we've moved up from the bottom but UofD, Oakland, Cleveland State will be tough opponents for mid-major talent.

(03-15-2012 01:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Yes, it is going to be tough-city recruiting in Michigan and whomever is at the bottom (NIU? CMU? etc.) will be hurting.

I do believe that we've moved up from the bottom but UofD, Oakland, Cleveland State will be tough opponents for mid-major talent.

This is why we NEED to create a recruiting BEACHHEAD at Romulus, MLK, Detroit Country Day, etc. where our staff have established relationships.

Remember recruiting is about RELATIONSHIPS.

Does Murphy, White, etc. have better relationships at those schools then does say coaches from UofD, WMU, Oakland, Cle State, etc.

Recruiting is a ZERO SUM game. IF we get a good recruit from one of those top high schools it means that the other competing schools did not.

It would keep good recruits out of the hands of WMU, CMU, UT, etc.

(03-14-2012 02:14 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Ernie Z outrecruited EMU but it never showed on the court.

Except for when they butchered us head-to-head.

(03-17-2012 09:20 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 02:14 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Ernie Z outrecruited EMU but it never showed on the court.

Except for when they butchered us head-to-head.

That's not exactly accurate, most of the CMU and EMU contests during the Ramsey-Murphy era and Ernie Z have been fairly close contests over the years.

I'd like to throw in another name as a candidate for the CMU job, namely Coach Schmidt from Mott CC. His record is second to none and as I understand it, he is a CMU grad. Could bring in a lot of JUCO talent.

(03-15-2012 04:43 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 06:06 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
The buyout for Ziegler was just under $370,000. How might that affect who they may be able to hire? Remember, Ramsey's was $200,000 less. Couldn't have happened to a better school. (the buyout)

Here is an article by David Goricki, Detroit News.

He tosses out a lot of names including some who were candidates for Murphy's position:

Boylan, Lichlighter, etc. Dane Fife's name was dropped.

http://blogs.detroitnews.com/collegespor...rett-reed/

Those guys, I think pop up for every midwest job opening. LOL. Those guys were passed over for the Toledo job 2 years ago.

(03-18-2012 02:31 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 04:43 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 06:06 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
The buyout for Ziegler was just under $370,000. How might that affect who they may be able to hire? Remember, Ramsey's was $200,000 less. Couldn't have happened to a better school. (the buyout)

Here is an article by David Goricki, Detroit News.

He tosses out a lot of names including some who were candidates for Murphy's position:

Boylan, Lichlighter, etc. Dane Fife's name was dropped.

http://blogs.detroitnews.com/collegespor...rett-reed/

Those guys, I think pop up for every midwest job opening. LOL. Those guys were passed over for the Toledo job 2 years ago.

Maybe so, but I'd bet that Lichliter is a very strong candidate at Miami to replace Charlie Cloes.

I believe he was head-coach-in-waiting last season.

MONDAY PM - anyone have the latest on CMU coaching candidates, update on transfers etc.?

(03-19-2012 01:07 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  MONDAY PM - anyone have the latest on CMU coaching candidates, update on transfers etc.?

This is from the main MAC board:

Players can transfer within the MAC HOWEVER, they can NOT use a redshirt year for their sitout year.

My guess is that any CMU transfers will be OUTSIDE the conference to schools like UofD, Cleveland State, maybe a school on the West Coast.

Trey Zeigler and McBroom may well be a package deal for some lucky school.

(03-18-2012 12:42 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  I'd like to throw in another name as a candidate for the CMU job, namely Coach Schmidt from Mott CC. His record is second to none and as I understand it, he is a CMU grad. Could bring in a lot of JUCO talent.

I agree. CMU would be lucky to get him. His ability to develop talent is well demonstrated. If he only brought his sophomores from MCC to CMU his first year they would be an improved club.

Mann, Stephens, Schmidt

(03-19-2012 01:07 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  MONDAY PM - anyone have the latest on CMU coaching candidates, update on transfers etc.?

Where I see things relevant to EMU and other MAC schools would be the CMU verbals.

I believe Lorenzo Bonham (SP?) from Dearborn Heights Robichaud verballed to CMU not to long ago. He is a JUNIOR.

Think he was one of those unofficial visitors who show up for the games.

Zeigler "officially" tweeted a goodbye statement to CMU fans yesterday. Didn't say where he was transferring to, but at least now it's confirmed what we all already knew.

Per Steve Bell names he's heard:

Names I've heard ... Ric Wesley, Bill Sall, Dwayne Stephens, Greg Gard, Steve Schmidt, Cornell Mann and Jacardi Alexander.