(03-15-2012 10:40 AM)NJRedMan Wrote: (03-14-2012 09:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote: Are we seriously having this discussion? Fresno State is not even in the se stratosphere as Air Force. ESPECIALLY not in a conference that ALSO includes navy. There is no debate to be had on this. Not even close. As a matter of fact, There is a reason AFA was ahead of SDSU on the list, and SDSU is well ahead of Fresno on this list.
Are you high? Fresno gas actually beaten BCS schools this last decade. CA is one of the premier HS recruiting grounds. I NEVER see people wearing AF apparel like I do with Army and Navy. Fresno is already a rival with SDSt and Boise. Fresno can actually compete and help repair the leagues FB image. Am I missing anything?
Oh Boise and SDSt would get a recruiting bump with Fresno in conference compared to AF.
I really wish people would stop looking at last night's box score before opening their mouth on expansion. Let me school you something young man, in the last 30 years Air Force has been to 19 bowl games, more than any other potential expansion team save for BYU during that time they have also had 5 ten win seasons, and were pretty close to playing for a national championship. Even in the last five years, their record has been better than SDSU, Fresno, etc.
Oh and for the "Fresno gas actually beaten BCS schools this last decade," I suppose Notre Dame, Utah, TCU, Washington, and Georgia Tech don’t count (I can add wins over California and two of NW just past five years), or field goal (or one possession losses) to Oklahoma, Utah, Minnesota, Tennessee, California, and TCU in the last five years , or beating the beloved Houston (multiple times), San Diego State (multiple times), and Navy (multiple times) all in the last five years don't count as "being able to compete?" A five year period that has actually been pretty down compared to Air Force standards of the last few decades. BTW, that is better than Fresno’s wins over teams with losing records (Cincinnati, Illinois x2, and UCLA), plus Rutgers and the same Georgia Tech team you left out. Considering this is about the only argument you made that may have had any merit, I think it more or less blew up on you.
And for that matter, you would be the one smoking that ****, if you seriously think adding Fresno State would "repair the leagues FB image." I mean are you just smoking herb, and or have you graduated on to smoking rocks? There are NO teams available that will help or hurt the leagues standing as a football conference, including BYU, because no matter what, the BE will be the sixth best conference. IT is not going up by adding anyone, nor is it going down by adding anyone. Which was why adding teams that help reapir the basketball image was actually a good idea, because being the most marketable asset of the Big East, putting your best foot forward there does more to help the ability of the next TV contract than adding Fresno, Hawaii, Colorado St, or anyone else.
