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I think Memphis should be brought in as a full member personally. They have a top notch basketball program, and their football has been real good the last couple of years.

Does anybody know if the football schools are still planning on splitting off in a few years? I remember that being talked about before UC got their invite last year. If so, I can see Memphis joining as a football only member if they are assured of the breakoff and membership in that new conference.
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ECU doesn't even have a football coach right now...their basketball team is always mediocre and their facilities need help...but they are in the footprint.

Memphis has one of the best basketball teams in the country...our football team is going to back to back bowl games...and we have some of the best attendance and facilities around...but we arn't in the footprint.

how bout the Big East takes UK and we joing the SEC where we belong...then UL, UC, USF, ECU and whoever can do whatever they want and we will get what we always wanted.

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That's the problem, we are not in the geographic footprint and several of the Big East schools have serious issues with the University of Memphis from a cultural as well as academic standpoint. Memphis does not belong and will never belong in the SEC. Memphis belongs in the same conference with Cincinnati and Louisville, period.
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gomemphistigers1 Wrote:how bout the Big East takes UK and we joing the SEC where we belong...then UL, UC, USF, ECU and whoever can do whatever they want and we will get what we always wanted.
Sounds good. Make it happen. :wave:
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Quote:Does anybody know if the football schools are still planning on splitting off in a few years? I remember that being talked about before UC got their invite last year. If so, I can see Memphis joining as a football only member if they are assured of the breakoff and membership in that new conference.


--Yes....as far as I know the football schools are still planning to split of in 2010

-- The reason we need a football only member now is the 12 game schedule....it will be almost impossible to schedule 5 quality non- conference games in the next few years...so the BE football schools are faced with a choice....start scheduling 1AA teams as the article in the PPG said...or add a 9th school....I'm sure every BE football fan would rather play Memphis, ECU or UCF then IAA team

-- As stated above.....the BE needs a 9th and maybe 10 school now....with full all sports membership coming later...I think it would be a HUGE mistake for Memphis to turn a football only down if it is/were offered...if the Tigers do turn down such in invite....I gurantee there are teams in CUSA who would accept the offer....ECU, UCF and Marshall to name three.....if two out of those three would accept....their won't be any room for Memphis the next around either


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Memphis and ECU would be ok by me but Army and Navy would weaken the strenght of the BE schedule in the long run.
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Jackson1011 Wrote:
Quote:Does anybody know if the football schools are still planning on splitting off in a few years? I remember that being talked about before UC got their invite last year. If so, I can see Memphis joining as a football only member if they are assured of the breakoff and membership in that new conference.


--Yes....as far as I know the football schools are still planning to split of in 2010

-- The reason we need a football only member now is the 12 game schedule....it will be almost impossible to schedule 5 quality non- conference games in the next few years...so the BE football schools are faced with a choice....start scheduling 1AA teams as the article in the PPG said...or add a 9th school....I'm sure every BE football fan would rather play Memphis, ECU or UCF then IAA team

-- As stated above.....the BE needs a 9th and maybe 10 school now....with full all sports membership coming later...I think it would be a HUGE mistake for Memphis to turn a football only down if it is/were offered...if the Tigers do turn down such in invite....I gurantee there are teams in CUSA who would accept the offer....ECU, UCF and Marshall to name three.....if two out of those three would accept....their won't be any room for Memphis the next around either


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I still think Navy is the best choice for a football only relationship, considering they are currently Independent for football. That potentially gets Notre Dame in too. The problem with Notre Dame is they want more home games. I have pondered this question, and it could be solved with a home-away-home system for Notre Dame. But in the end, I think Notre Dame has to join for real, or not join at all.

As for the strange comments about UK. Huh? UK is not and never will be suitable for the Big East. Never.

In any case, without raiding another conference, the list of choices are:

Notre Dame
Navy
Army
Temple

In any case, I'm frankly not convinced that most of this is just the creation of ECU fans who are endlessly trying to stir up interest in their program. I just don't see that the Big East would gain much from adding a Carolina team. The culture of eastern North Carolina strikes me as way different than the rest of the Big East.

Culture and geography mean something. Heck, otherwise we could invite Utah.
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Quote: still think Navy is the best choice for a football only relationship, considering they are currently Independent for football. That potentially gets Notre Dame in too. The problem with Notre Dame is they want more home games. I have pondered this question, and it could be solved with a home-away-home system for Notre Dame. But in the end, I think Notre Dame has to join for real, or not join at all.


-- Totally agree....the question is does Navy want in? The midshipmen destroyed Rutgers yesterday.....so maybe that will calm some of there fears about joining the BE full time

-- Rumor has it that Navy has already turned down BE football only membership once...I believe the sticking point was (rumors) the Naval Academy wanted Army in as well...again...not positive but that has been somthing that has been floating around


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I can understand if Memphis turns down an All-Sports invitation. But, if they were to accept it, I guarantee they wouldn't have any problems at all finding a home for their others sports. The MAC definitely would take them, but the A-10, a pretty strong, underrated conference, would take their other sports, especially basketball. I'd rather have Memphis in All-Sports, but if Memphis had to join in football-only for 3 or 4 years in order to get a full membership I think it would be worth it. But that's just my opinion, there could be a number of reasons why Memphis wouldn't do it.
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I know it is a dream, but adding Notre Dame, PSU, RCU and Memphis would be sweet.
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Cat's_Claw Wrote:I can understand if Memphis turns down an All-Sports invitation. But, if they were to accept it, I guarantee they wouldn't have any problems at all finding a home for their others sports. The MAC definitely would take them, but the A-10, a pretty strong, underrated conference, would take their other sports, especially basketball. I'd rather have Memphis in All-Sports, but if Memphis had to join in football-only for 3 or 4 years in order to get a full membership I think it would be worth it. But that's just my opinion, there could be a number of reasons why Memphis wouldn't do it.
Unless Memphis had assurances that the SEC was going to expand and add them, of which the opposite is true, turning down a football only membership given the circumstances would be the equivalent of their entire athletic department jumping off a bridge. 5 years of limbo vs. an eternity of hell... Coach Cal has stated that basketball will be fine no matter the conference situation. With his confidence in the health of his program there is no reason they would turn down a football membership with the understanding that all-sports would be added within 5 years. Claw, please inform me of the reasons you think Memphis would refuse.
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I remember some rumors popping up a few months ago, about Memphis taking a football-only BE slot and the other programs going to the A-10 until the split. I would KILL to have that happen, simply because the A-10 is decent in basketball -- probably better than C-USA, with Tulsa in a freefall (their soccer and baseball won't be as good as C-USA, but I'm sure they're pretty solid in some other olympic sports) -- and football membership in a BCS conference would make up for the problems associated with splitting conferences.

Didn't VPI enter the BE via a similar route before becoming full members a few years back?

As for Navy, I don't see why they'd want to join a conference. Same goes for Army, who I expect to follow the new-style Navy approach of riding an incredibly easy schedule to a bowl now that they're out of C-USA. Hey, can't blame them. They draw well, so bowls love them, and it works out for everyone in the end. They can be sort of like ND.
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L-yes Wrote:
Cat's_Claw Wrote:I can understand if Memphis turns down an All-Sports invitation.  But, if they were to accept it, I guarantee they wouldn't have any problems at all finding a home for their others sports.  The MAC definitely would take them, but the A-10, a pretty strong, underrated conference, would take their other sports, especially basketball.  I'd rather have Memphis in All-Sports, but if Memphis had to join in football-only for 3 or 4 years in order to get a full membership I think it would be worth it.  But that's just my opinion, there could be a number of reasons why Memphis wouldn't do it.
Unless Memphis had assurances that the SEC was going to expand and add them, of which the opposite is true, turning down a football only membership given the circumstances would be the equivalent of their entire athletic department jumping off a bridge. 5 years of limbo vs. an eternity of hell... Coach Cal has stated that basketball will be fine no matter the conference situation. With his confidence in the health of his program there is no reason they would turn down a football membership with the understanding that all-sports would be added within 5 years. Claw, please inform me of the reasons you think Memphis would refuse.
I could be confusing them with another program, but I thought I read somewhere that Memphis was only interested in an All-Sports invitation and not a football-only. It was something along the line that they wanted all of their sports in one conference. I could be completely wrong about that and thinking about South Florida last year, who basically were rumored to have turned down a football-only invitation prior to Boston College's defection.
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Psicosis Wrote:I remember some rumors popping up a few months ago, about Memphis taking a football-only BE slot and the other programs going to the A-10 until the split. I would KILL to have that happen, simply because the A-10 is decent in basketball -- probably better than C-USA, with Tulsa in a freefall (their soccer and baseball won't be as good as C-USA, but I'm sure they're pretty solid in some other olympic sports) -- and football membership in a BCS conference would make up for the problems associated with splitting conferences.

Didn't VPI enter the BE via a similar route before becoming full members a few years back?

As for Navy, I don't see why they'd want to join a conference. Same goes for Army, who I expect to follow the new-style Navy approach of riding an incredibly easy schedule to a bowl now that they're out of C-USA. Hey, can't blame them. They draw well, so bowls love them, and it works out for everyone in the end. They can be sort of like ND.
I actually think that would be best for Memphis. Not taking anything away from the New C-USA, but the A-10 is, arguably, the 6th or 7th best basketball conference in the country next year. Memphis would have more fun playing Xavier, St. Joseph's, Dayton, Temple, Rhode Island, Charlotte, Richmond, even UMass. It helps the RPI and SOS, adds legitimacy to the conference, and Memphis basketball would definitely be tournament tested. And the football would be in a BCS conference until the Big East split. I think it would be win-win. Who knows if this would be a possibility but Memphis' AD RC Johnson has let it be known he is talking to BCS conferences, particularly the SEC and the Big East. He pretty much admitted that the SEC is out of the question, from what he has heard from certain schools, but he didn't say that about the Big East. Especially with allies like Cincinnati sitting in there.
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Psicosis Wrote:I remember some rumors popping up a few months ago, about Memphis taking a football-only BE slot and the other programs going to the A-10 until the split. I would KILL to have that happen, simply because the A-10 is decent in basketball -- probably better than C-USA, with Tulsa in a freefall (their soccer and baseball won't be as good as C-USA, but I'm sure they're pretty solid in some other olympic sports) -- and football membership in a BCS conference would make up for the problems associated with splitting conferences.

Didn't VPI enter the BE via a similar route before becoming full members a few years back?

As for Navy, I don't see why they'd want to join a conference. Same goes for Army, who I expect to follow the new-style Navy approach of riding an incredibly easy schedule to a bowl now that they're out of C-USA. Hey, can't blame them. They draw well, so bowls love them, and it works out for everyone in the end. They can be sort of like ND.

I actually think that would be best for Memphis. Not taking anything away from the New C-USA, but the A-10 is, arguably, the 6th or 7th best basketball conference in the country next year. Memphis would have more fun playing Xavier, St. Joseph's, Dayton, Temple, Rhode Island, Charlotte, Richmond, even UMass. It helps the RPI and SOS, adds legitimacy to the conference, and Memphis basketball would definitely be tournament tested. And the football would be in a BCS conference until the Big East split. I think it would be win-win. Who knows if this would be a possibility but Memphis' AD RC Johnson has let it be known he is talking to BCS conferences, particularly the SEC and the Big East. He pretty much admitted that the SEC is out of the question, from what he has heard from certain schools, but he didn't say that about the Big East. Especially with allies like Cincinnati sitting in there. As for VPI, they actually did enter by the same route. The ironic thing is that they kept their other sports in the A-10 and played football in the Big East. Memphis could do the same thing. In fact, I don't see why Memphis couldn't keep virtually ALL of their sports in the Big East except for basketball, and then move basketball in after the split.
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Quote: actually think that would be best for Memphis. Not taking anything away from the New C-USA, but the A-10 is, arguably, the 6th or 7th best basketball conference in the country next year. Memphis would have more fun playing Xavier, St. Joseph's, Dayton, Temple, Rhode Island, Charlotte, Richmond, even UMass. It helps the RPI and SOS, adds legitimacy to the conference, and Memphis basketball would definitely be tournament tested. And the football would be in a BCS conference until the Big East split. I think it would be win-win. Who knows if this would be a possibility but Memphis' AD RC Johnson has let it be known he is talking to BCS conferences, particularly the SEC and the Big East. He pretty much admitted that the SEC is out of the question, from what he has heard from certain schools, but he didn't say that about the Big East. Especially with allies like Cincinnati sitting in there.

-- That's a great point Cat's Claw....I think it would also get Memphis used to playing some games up north.....and when speaking of the A10....don't forget a schools like Umass or George Washington...their are down now but they have very good hoops histories

-- Maybe that is why the orginal rumor said there are going to be two schools....if the BE football only members are sending their other sports to the A10 for a few years....two schools are needed to make it even

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The bottom line is Memphis would be foolish to walk away from a football only membership lasting 5 seasons with an all sports membership shortly there after.
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How can the BE offer any guarentees at all? Are the basketball-only schools sold on this split? Actually looking at some of the A-10 schools makes me a little more enthusiastic about using them as a temporary basketball home. But we would be walking away from alot of cash (conf. b-ball tourney hosts, built up ncaa credits, entrance/exit fees) and going to split conferences (yuck). There are reasons to take such an opportunity and reasons not to. We'd have to see what the coaches and boosters think. But nothing can happen unless the BE can give a reasonable assurance (just one step below a contractual guarentee) that an all-sport invite would come by a specific year.

That's my take on it anyway. I'm slowly coming around to the idea.
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tigers1985 Wrote:How can the BE offer any guarentees at all? Are the basketball-only schools sold on this split? Actually looking at some of the A-10 schools makes me a little more enthusiastic about using them as a temporary basketball home. But we would be walking away from alot of cash (conf. b-ball tourney hosts, built up ncaa credits, entrance/exit fees) and going to split conferences (yuck). There are reasons to take such an opportunity and reasons not to. We'd have to see what the coaches and boosters think. But nothing can happen unless the BE can give a reasonable assurance (just one step below a contractual guarentee) that an all-sport invite would come by a specific year.

That's my take on it anyway. I'm slowly coming around to the idea.
The Big East stated that they will evaluate the setup every 5 years. That could mean that it could go on for the next 20 years with the current setup, but it just sounds like a cover to me for the BE. Saying you're going to split without saying you're going to split.
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If you are to believe the administration of Army, then you must accept their stated reason for leaving CUSA which was to return to independent status. One of the missions of Army's athletics programs is recruitment for the military. If you have seen Army's pregame activities you can see that they perform that mission well. They will have no trouble scheduling whomever they wish. I believe the same for Navy as well although I have not heard or read any of their reasons for remaining independent. Of course both might consider playing in the Big East because of future exposure on a national stage. I would hope both join but I don't think it will happen.
Personally, I would not like to see either Memphis or ECU join the BE. But that is because I don't like them but that is a childish reason on my part. If they do join, other BE teams will truly enjoy giving them a beatdown at every possible chance.
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