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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
(03-07-2012 05:10 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  As I reported two weeks ago, Temple is gone. Actually, they were gone then and only the $$$ needed to be finalized.

I wish Temple well and were glad they were a part of the league even for this short time.

One school I wish the MAC would target for all sports is Western Kentucky. WKU would be an excellent addition for the MAC in all sports. I know Rick Chryst tried hard to get that done nearly a decade ago and Miami and EMU blocked it. Hopefully time has made both schools smarter to get this done ASAP.

Maybe Miami and EMU blocked it because they were worried about an unproven FCS school waltzing in and leading the league in lowest game attendance.

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On a serious note I'm glad they blocked WKU. One directional by the name of Western is plenty. One city of Bowling Green in the MAC is enough.
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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
(03-07-2012 05:16 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  ...and why would WKU agree to come to the MAC now that they are in the Sunbelt with other southern regional teams?

The only advantage I could see is it would be nice for their alumni bases in Louisville and Covington to be able to travel on the road for games.

WKU while not close to the MAC is in a situation where the population centers of Kentucky are closer to the MAC footprint making things more attractive.

WKU and Middle Tennessee are a natural combo. When the MAC went the Temple route it kind of kissed that combination away leading to the eventual addition of UMass to the the conference.
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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
(03-07-2012 05:10 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  As I reported two weeks ago, Temple is gone. Actually, they were gone then and only the $$$ needed to be finalized.

I wish Temple well and were glad they were a part of the league even for this short time.

One school I wish the MAC would target for all sports is Western Kentucky. WKU would be an excellent addition for the MAC in all sports. I know Rick Chryst tried hard to get that done nearly a decade ago and Miami and EMU blocked it. Hopefully time has made both schools smarter to get this done ASAP.

No offense to the league but if EMU is driving the decision making the MAC is in trouble. In my opinion they are borderline worthy and strong consideration could be made as to whether or not they should even be in the conference. Is having a fifth FBS team in Michigan really adding any value? Losing Temple is a big blow and if EMU is driving decisions then the MAC should just change their name to the WAC (otherwise known as the worst conference in FBS). My number one expansion candidate would be EMU taking a hike from the league.
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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
(03-07-2012 02:56 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 02:49 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 02:47 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 02:44 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  so maybe now they'll be able to announce the 2012 football schedules?

Monday at the latest.

yeah? that would be cool. it seems like we're the last conference in the country to announce!

The MAC and the BE are the last two who have not announced.

Nothing wrong with keeping ESPN in suspense. Patience is a virtue and it paid the MAC $6M, not a bad payday.
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(03-07-2012 03:15 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 03:10 PM)TheClyde Wrote:  Official MAC release: http://www.mac-sports.com/News/tabid/969...hdraw.aspx

Looks like the BE is picking up the entire tab...WOW!!!

Heck, they got $5M from TCU and $20M from WVA, still came out $19M a head.
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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
(03-07-2012 05:10 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  As I reported two weeks ago, Temple is gone. Actually, they were gone then and only the $$$ needed to be finalized.

I wish Temple well and were glad they were a part of the league even for this short time.

One school I wish the MAC would target for all sports is Western Kentucky. WKU would be an excellent addition for the MAC in all sports. I know Rick Chryst tried hard to get that done nearly a decade ago and Miami and EMU blocked it. Hopefully time has made both schools smarter to get this done ASAP.

Not sure that WKU would want to join now, I'd rather target JMU & Old Dominion. Virginia produces a ton of talent on the gridiron and hardwood and those 2 programs are among the best attendance draws in the FCS>
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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
ODU & JMU are the 2nd and 3rd largest football playing D1 programs in the commonwealth of Virginia. Add them to the largest football playing D1 program in New England (UMASS) and the largest football playing D1 program in New York State(Buffalo) and the MAC becomes Big in the East.
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(03-07-2012 10:47 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  ODU & JMU are the 2nd and 3rd largest football playing D1 programs in the commonwealth of Virginia. Add them to the largest football playing D1 program in New England (UMASS) and the largest football playing D1 program in New York State(Buffalo) and the MAC becomes Big in the East.

What? Adding three FCS schools makes the MAC Big in the East? Are you kidding me?
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6 Million is a nice take for the MAC.
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^Especially considering that Temple would have walked away from the MAC for nothing had UMass not come along when they did. Temple is paying $6 million to terminate a contract they never played a single game under, whereas their previous deal was scheduled to expire without an exit fee. Had UMass or the MAC waited a few more weeks to finalize our agreement and this new arrangement for the two football-only members, the Texas A&M-to-SEC story would have hit the newswires and Temple probably would have stalled on agreeing to a big exit fee and notice requirement. They'd know that dominoes were about to fall in the conference realignment game and would want to keep their options open.
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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
Glad to see that the MAC got $6 milllion. The MAC leadership is often criticized on this board, but I think they handled this situation quite well. Hopefully they'll make good use of the money.
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(03-08-2012 08:40 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Glad to see that the MAC got $6 milllion. The MAC leadership is often criticized on this board, but I think they handled this situation quite well. Hopefully they'll make good use of the money.
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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
(03-07-2012 09:56 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 05:10 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  As I reported two weeks ago, Temple is gone. Actually, they were gone then and only the $$$ needed to be finalized.

I wish Temple well and were glad they were a part of the league even for this short time.

One school I wish the MAC would target for all sports is Western Kentucky. WKU would be an excellent addition for the MAC in all sports. I know Rick Chryst tried hard to get that done nearly a decade ago and Miami and EMU blocked it. Hopefully time has made both schools smarter to get this done ASAP.

No offense to the league but if EMU is driving the decision making the MAC is in trouble. In my opinion they are borderline worthy and strong consideration could be made as to whether or not they should even be in the conference. Is having a fifth FBS team in Michigan really adding any value? Losing Temple is a big blow and if EMU is driving decisions then the MAC should just change their name to the WAC (otherwise known as the worst conference in FBS). My number one expansion candidate would be EMU taking a hike from the league.
Ah yes, some more EMU hate. That's so refreshing. EMU is not driving any decisions. Here is what happened ... and keep in mind this was several years ago.

My understanding was that EMU was the lone dissenting voice on admitting Western Kentucky. The move required unanimous approval of the university presidents. EMU had an interim president, Craig Willis, at the time who had taken over in the wake of an alleged investigative cover-up following a brutal campus murder of a co-ed that led to then-president John Fallon's resignation (personally I thought he was railroaded).

Willis was a HUGE athletics supporter, which was pretty rare at EMU. In the preceding football season, there was a bit of dust-up over some alleged chicanery involving Toledo intentionally omitting a fake punt from their game films that they are obligated to provide. When EMU played Toledo the Rockets ran the play and scored (they probably would have won anyway).

Technically, this was against the rules and certainly in the eyes of Willis, it was intentional and deserving of punishment. He pushed hard for Toledo to forfeit the game and pay a significant monetary penalty.

The MAC obviously wasn't going to force Toledo to forfeit. I believe they did receive a bit of a rebuke.

When it came time later for the vote on the Western Kentucky matter, Willis had one question: Was the MAC going to force Toledo to forfeit? The answer was 'no' and therefore, he voted 'no.'

Was it right? Probably not. But that's how it went down. Willis was actually a good guy, but a bull-headed on this issue obviously.

Water under the bridge. This was 7-8 years ago. Different administration at EMU than now.
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RE: MAC to get 6M from Temple
(03-08-2012 11:58 AM)HuronDave Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 09:56 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(03-07-2012 05:10 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  As I reported two weeks ago, Temple is gone. Actually, they were gone then and only the $$$ needed to be finalized.

I wish Temple well and were glad they were a part of the league even for this short time.

One school I wish the MAC would target for all sports is Western Kentucky. WKU would be an excellent addition for the MAC in all sports. I know Rick Chryst tried hard to get that done nearly a decade ago and Miami and EMU blocked it. Hopefully time has made both schools smarter to get this done ASAP.

No offense to the league but if EMU is driving the decision making the MAC is in trouble. In my opinion they are borderline worthy and strong consideration could be made as to whether or not they should even be in the conference. Is having a fifth FBS team in Michigan really adding any value? Losing Temple is a big blow and if EMU is driving decisions then the MAC should just change their name to the WAC (otherwise known as the worst conference in FBS). My number one expansion candidate would be EMU taking a hike from the league.
Ah yes, some more EMU hate. That's so refreshing. EMU is not driving any decisions. Here is what happened ... and keep in mind this was several years ago.

My understanding was that EMU was the lone dissenting voice on admitting Western Kentucky. The move required unanimous approval of the university presidents. EMU had an interim president, Craig Willis, at the time who had taken over in the wake of an alleged investigative cover-up following a brutal campus murder of a co-ed that led to then-president John Fallon's resignation (personally I thought he was railroaded).

Willis was a HUGE athletics supporter, which was pretty rare at EMU. In the preceding football season, there was a bit of dust-up over some alleged chicanery involving Toledo intentionally omitting a fake punt from their game films that they are obligated to provide. When EMU played Toledo the Rockets ran the play and scored (they probably would have won anyway).

Technically, this was against the rules and certainly in the eyes of Willis, it was intentional and deserving of punishment. He pushed hard for Toledo to forfeit the game and pay a significant monetary penalty.

The MAC obviously wasn't going to force Toledo to forfeit. I believe they did receive a bit of a rebuke.

When it came time later for the vote on the Western Kentucky matter, Willis had one question: Was the MAC going to force Toledo to forfeit? The answer was 'no' and therefore, he voted 'no.'

Was it right? Probably not. But that's how it went down. Willis was actually a good guy, but a bull-headed on this issue obviously.

Water under the bridge. This was 7-8 years ago. Different administration at EMU than now.
Interesting story.
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http://www.csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=120469

Link to the old thread

http://www.toledoblade.com/UT/2004/12/18...video.html

article about the fake punt

http://groove.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=120607

And another thread. Wow, google "fake punt EMU Toledo" and gobs of info comes up.
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(03-08-2012 11:58 AM)HuronDave Wrote:  there was a bit of dust-up over some alleged chicanery involving Toledo intentionally omitting a fake punt from their game films that they are obligated to provide.


Disclosure in football? Huh.
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(03-08-2012 11:58 AM)HuronDave Wrote:  Willis was a HUGE athletics supporter, which was pretty rare at EMU.

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I never heard that story before..that is really terrible that he based his vote on such an unrelated issue. A shame.
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(03-08-2012 12:46 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  I never heard that story before..that is really terrible that he based his vote on such an unrelated issue. A shame.

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I would've turned around and suggested removing eastern since they didn't have the conferences best interests in mind for such an important decision.
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(03-08-2012 12:46 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  I never heard that story before..that is really terrible that he based his vote on such an unrelated issue. A shame.

What a story and HuronDave knows his stuff.

Us EMU posters try to keep up with EMU stuff but none of us have the connections, insight, etc. that Dave does.
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