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How Many Times....
.....have the Trojans gone into the SBC Tournament with a high seed just to collapse? This makes at least the third time that I can recall off hand, maybe the fourth? There may be more. We seem to be really good at winning "Divisional Championships", but when the big prize is on the line, we fold.

Yeah, yeah we caught lightening in a bottle last year. But there was no pressure. We weren't expected to win anything. With pressure or expectations though, we flat out suck in post season play.
03-05-2012 12:37 AM
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RE: How Many Times....
Let's face it. We didn't outtalent teams this year. We won a lot of games by the skin of our teeth. I saw a lot of teams that we beat that had superior talent. But when tournament time comes around, it seems like the cream rises to the top. And it takes great effort, and some luck, and good officiating, which by the way, once again I repeat, seemed to be attrocious to me. And I'm normally pretty easy on officials. But I felt like we were playing five against eight last night. Was that just me, or did anyone else see that? During one stretch, there were two obvious traveling calls and a possible double dribble, none of which was called against Western. Just wasn't our night.
03-05-2012 10:30 AM
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(03-05-2012 10:30 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  Let's face it. We didn't outtalent teams this year. We won a lot of games by the skin of our teeth. I saw a lot of teams that we beat that had superior talent. But when tournament time comes around, it seems like the cream rises to the top. And it takes great effort, and some luck, and good officiating, which by the way, once again I repeat, seemed to be attrocious to me. And I'm normally pretty easy on officials. But I felt like we were playing five against eight last night. Was that just me, or did anyone else see that? During one stretch, there were two obvious traveling calls and a possible double dribble, none of which was called against Western. Just wasn't our night.

Were the officials fair for the first 31 minutes, or were bad they just bad for the final nine when we blew the big lead?
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(03-05-2012 12:37 AM)PTJR Wrote:  .....have the Trojans gone into the SBC Tournament with a high seed just to collapse? This makes at least the third time that I can recall off hand, maybe the fourth? There may be more. We seem to be really good at winning "Divisional Championships", but when the big prize is on the line, we fold.

Yeah, yeah we caught lightening in a bottle last year. But there was no pressure. We weren't expected to win anything. With pressure or expectations though, we flat out suck in post season play.


The one I remember the most is the year we went to Denton, and had the biggest contingent of fans I've ever seen us have at a tournament outside Arkansas, and we chocked in the first round to Florida International. Don't remember the year.
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1987 UALR had only 2 conference losses and went into the taac tourney favored to win. Lost in semis to Georgia Southern at Barton.
Very next year with 3 conference losses UALR was one of the favored teams to win tournament at Daytona. Beat Centenary and then lost to UTSA 101-75.
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(03-05-2012 01:12 PM)ez272 Wrote:  1987 UALR had only 2 conference losses and went into the taac tourney favored to win. Lost in semis to Georgia Southern at Barton.
Very next year with 3 conference losses UALR was one of the favored teams to win tournament at Daytona. Beat Centenary and then lost to UTSA 101-75.

Wow. Your memory is really, really good! I remember both of those losses, but hadn't thought about them for a long, long time. Back in those days though, we went to the NIT. Different rules and criteria now.

The more recent ones in addition to last night were the collapse in Denton against FIU in our first game. Also, I think it was the first year the tournament was at Hot Springs, was the time we needed a comeback to squeak out a win over Denver, and then got demolished by USA in the next round.
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This doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out the problem. Our talent is usually not the best in the league. Hasn't been since the TAAC, where at times we did have superior talent. But since we've been in the Belt, we've never had the overall quality of talent that Western has had, or ULL, or UNT, or Middle, but we've managed to beat them on occasion, but when everything is on the line, we can't normally get over the hump. The truth hurts, but there it is. We haven't had the depth of quality players that those programs have had, and you have to have that to win tournaments.
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(03-05-2012 05:54 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  This doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out the problem. Our talent is usually not the best in the league. Hasn't been since the TAAC, where at times we did have superior talent. But since we've been in the Belt, we've never had the overall quality of talent that Western has had, or ULL, or UNT, or Middle, but we've managed to beat them on occasion, but when everything is on the line, we can't normally get over the hump. The truth hurts, but there it is. We haven't had the depth of quality players that those programs have had, and you have to have that to win tournaments.

While I will agree that this is probably true in the past, don't discount Javes and Neighbors. I would take those two at WKU in a HEARTBEAT.

Javes has the potential to be an absolute game changer for you guys. A lot like Chris Marcus was for us. He is an absolute find. One of these days the light will go on for him and the Sunbelt will have a hard time keeping up with him.
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You're right. But for now Neighbour is playing at about 60% effectiveness at the most with his miserable shoulder injury, and Javes is still learning. Had Gus Leeper been healthy this year, Javes would have had a chance to mature and learn. Maybe even redshirt. But that was not to be, so he got a lot of good experience. Let's hope it pays off in the future. One difference is that Javes is about 80 pounds lighter than Marcus.
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(03-05-2012 09:17 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  You're right. But for now Neighbour is playing at about 60% effectiveness at the most with his miserable shoulder injury, and Javes is still learning. Had Gus Leeper been healthy this year, Javes would have had a chance to mature and learn. Maybe even redshirt. But that was not to be, so he got a lot of good experience. Let's hope it pays off in the future. One difference is that Javes is about 80 pounds lighter than Marcus.

And shorter. Wasn't Marcus over 7 feet tall?
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(03-05-2012 07:31 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  
(03-05-2012 05:54 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  This doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out the problem. Our talent is usually not the best in the league. Hasn't been since the TAAC, where at times we did have superior talent. But since we've been in the Belt, we've never had the overall quality of talent that Western has had, or ULL, or UNT, or Middle, but we've managed to beat them on occasion, but when everything is on the line, we can't normally get over the hump. The truth hurts, but there it is. We haven't had the depth of quality players that those programs have had, and you have to have that to win tournaments.

While I will agree that this is probably true in the past, don't discount Javes and Neighbors. I would take those two at WKU in a HEARTBEAT.

Javes has the potential to be an absolute game changer for you guys. A lot like Chris Marcus was for us. He is an absolute find. One of these days the light will go on for him and the Sunbelt will have a hard time keeping up with him.

I feel like we have upper sbc talent on his team too.
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(03-05-2012 09:24 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  And shorter. Wasn't Marcus over 7 feet tall?

Yes, but I meant effectiveness. Most Sunbelt teams don't have an answer for a really effective big man.
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