(03-05-2012 12:58 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Completely agree. The deal should involve the BE. Specifically, I'd like to see:

Fball
Temple play 2 games at MAC stadiums for 2 years, then minimum of 1 for next 4 years.
L'ville play at BSU and Miami.

MBB
Temple play 5 MAC games for next 4 seasons
UConn, G'town, Seton Hall, Depaul and ND each play at MAC teams minimum of 2x over next 5 season

WBB
UConn play 2-for-1 against BGSU (2 at BG/1 at UConn or MSG)
ND play at BG and Toledo
Rutgers, Depaul and Marquette each play at MAC teams min of 2x over next 5 seasons

I don't see and FB games outside of one for UMASS next year or ANY BB games involving other teams.

The conference has nothing to do with each individual teams OOC schedule...unless they all agree to it like the P12/B1G.

(03-05-2012 12:58 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 12:28 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 12:21 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 12:15 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/141394113.html

The Owls will have to pay exit fees. Sources have said it would cost them $3.5 million to leave the MAC immediately

$3.5 seems low, I thought $4 would be more appropriate.

Hope to get more than just dollars...BE games down the road would be good for the MAC.

Even if they keep our 5 games per year agreement in MBB for the next 2 seasons and a home game for UMASS in 2013 it is still too low.

Completely agree. The deal should involve the BE. Specifically, I'd like to see:

Fball
Temple play 2 games at MAC stadiums for 2 years, then minimum of 1 for next 4 years.
L'ville play at BSU and Miami.

MBB
Temple play 5 MAC games for next 4 seasons
UConn, G'town, Seton Hall, Depaul and ND each play at MAC teams minimum of 2x over next 5 season

WBB
UConn play 2-for-1 against BGSU (2 at BG/1 at UConn or MSG)
ND play at BG and Toledo
Rutgers, Depaul and Marquette each play at MAC teams min of 2x over next 5 seasons

I am all for Temple playing MAC teams for as long as the MAC wants to...

However why would a Uconn or Notre Dame any sport even get involved for more then 1 game for the 2012-13 season?

The BE and MAC are the only two conferences that have yet to announce their 2012 football schedule. This will only hurt the number of extra TV slots that the MAC get as the executives will want to fill their schedule asap and other than November MACtion they wont care.

(03-05-2012 12:58 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 12:28 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 12:21 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 12:15 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/141394113.html

The Owls will have to pay exit fees. Sources have said it would cost them $3.5 million to leave the MAC immediately

$3.5 seems low, I thought $4 would be more appropriate.

Hope to get more than just dollars...BE games down the road would be good for the MAC.

Even if they keep our 5 games per year agreement in MBB for the next 2 seasons and a home game for UMASS in 2013 it is still too low.

Completely agree. The deal should involve the BE. Specifically, I'd like to see:

Fball
Temple play 2 games at MAC stadiums for 2 years, then minimum of 1 for next 4 years.
L'ville play at BSU and Miami.

MBB
Temple play 5 MAC games for next 4 seasons
UConn, G'town, Seton Hall, Depaul and ND each play at MAC teams minimum of 2x over next 5 season

WBB
UConn play 2-for-1 against BGSU (2 at BG/1 at UConn or MSG)
ND play at BG and Toledo
Rutgers, Depaul and Marquette each play at MAC teams min of 2x over next 5 seasons

(03-05-2012 01:05 PM)victory engineer Wrote:  However why would a Uconn or Notre Dame any sport even get involved for more then 1 game for the 2012-13 season?

Do the teams in the BE want Temple or not? Obviously they don't want them enough to loan them buyout money. But there are other pieces to negotiations

Couple questions for those that have been following the MAC and IA for a while.

1) What are the financial implications of the BE being at 7 football teams next year versus 8?
7 additional BE games rather than OOC?
Would they draw more playing Temple than an OOC?
What kind of OOC games would they be adding/dropping?

2) What implications would there be to the MAC and MAC schools that had planned on playing Temple this year?
Similar concerns as above, less conference games exc.

I bring all that up because I think the MAC would be letting Temple and the BE off light by agreeing to only a 1M additional penalty.

FWIW I would feel the same way if it were UM in TU's position. I would also think that if it were in UM's best long term interest to make a move then a way to pay for it should be figured out..... Flame away at me now...

(03-06-2012 01:26 PM)Sam Minuteman Wrote:  Couple questions for those that have been following the MAC and IA for a while.

1) What are the financial implications of the BE being at 7 football teams next year versus 8?
7 additional BE games rather than OOC?
Would they draw more playing Temple than an OOC?
What kind of OOC games would they be adding/dropping?

2) What implications would there be to the MAC and MAC schools that had planned on playing Temple this year?
Similar concerns as above, less conference games exc.

I bring all that up because I think the MAC would be letting Temple and the BE off light by agreeing to only a 1M additional penalty.

FWIW I would feel the same way if it were UM in TU's position. I would also think that if it were in UM's best long term interest to make a move then a way to pay for it should be figured out..... Flame away at me now...

The BE has gotten wavers in the past and I suspect they could get one again. So the implications to each conference are the same finding a crap load of games to fill out schedules.

In the MAC there are 6 teams in the east and two in the west who need a game. You can just take the two west teams and pair them off with two east teams but that creates a couple of issues

1) Four MAC teams (east) still need to find a game
2) Those four teams would be down on conference game, could help/hurt someone in tie breakers

The MAC could scrap the schedule they have, which was completed, and create another monstrous schedule like we have been doing with 13.

For the BE they have to buy games or concede to a home and home among themselves. SU was not happy with the idea of a home and home with Rutgers so you're left with buying games.

I think 1 million above Temple's 2 million exit fees is far too little. Buying four games at this late day could easily cost two million dollars.

(03-06-2012 01:26 PM)Sam Minuteman Wrote:  Couple questions for those that have been following the MAC and IA for a while.

1) What are the financial implications of the BE being at 7 football teams next year versus 8? OOC payouts vs a normal BE game with no payout.

7 additional BE games rather than OOC? You cant have all 7 BE teams just play another BE game since its an odd number...unless they were not counted as conference games and the odd team out scheduled a OOC game with another team. The 7 BE teams would have to pay to host an OOC game...on the other hand they could get a paycheck if they were the away team. However outside of the BE only Boise St, Nevada & Hawaii have openings to play an OOC game and would likely only want to play at home.

Would they draw more playing Temple than an OOC? Maybe Temple fans will travel to Pitt, Rutgers & UCONN more than an OOC would.

What kind of OOC games would they be adding (Hawaii, Boise St, Nevada) /dropping? None

2) What implications would there be to the MAC and MAC schools that had planned on playing Temple this year? The conference will rework the schedule. Big decision is if BGSU moves back to the East division for this year or do they stay in the West. Either way in football there will be an unbalanced schedule in the heavy division...meaning that in the heavy division every team will not play everyone within their division. This causes for a increase chance at using a tiebreaker for the MACC rep.

(03-06-2012 01:26 PM)Sam Minuteman Wrote:  FWIW I would feel the same way if it were UM in TU's position. I would also think that if it were in UM's best long term interest to make a move then a way to pay for it should be figured out..... Flame away at me now...

Sam this is why I think deferred payments should be a part of the solution. If the BE wants TU and TU wants them make it possible but get a just and fair payment, even if its spread out.

(03-06-2012 01:26 PM)Sam Minuteman Wrote:  Couple questions for those that have been following the MAC and IA for a while.

1) What are the financial implications of the BE being at 7 football teams next year versus 8?
7 additional BE games rather than OOC?
Would they draw more playing Temple than an OOC?
What kind of OOC games would they be adding/dropping?

2) What implications would there be to the MAC and MAC schools that had planned on playing Temple this year?
Similar concerns as above, less conference games exc.

I bring all that up because I think the MAC would be letting Temple and the BE off light by agreeing to only a 1M additional penalty.

FWIW I would feel the same way if it were UM in TU's position. I would also think that if it were in UM's best long term interest to make a move then a way to pay for it should be figured out..... Flame away at me now...

I don't know the details of all this but I'd agree that 1M additional penalty isn't enough.

http://www.templefootballforever.blogspo...t.html?m=1

(03-06-2012 03:48 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  http://www.templefootballforever.blogspo...t.html?m=1

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/owlsi...mple-.html

The MAC gets $6MM? Looks like the BE is footing $2.5MM of the bill.

If so, good job by the MAC commish.

I find this to be a great win for the MAC. In a couple of years the BCS structure will be changed, so it will not matter to the Big East leftovers that they joined an AQ conference for 2 years.

(03-06-2012 03:54 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  The MAC gets $6MM? Looks like the BE is footing $2.5MM of the bill.

If so, good job by the MAC commish.

Plus
"Temple plays 2 hoop games vs. MAC teams and one football game vs. a MAC team (presumably UMass this season)"

What the MAC could do since UMASS doesn't qualify for the MACC in 2012 is move BGSU back to the East then just have UMASS play a 7 game conference schedule with 5 OOC games.
OR
Play @ UMASS in 2013...which would make more sense.

(03-06-2012 04:03 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 03:54 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  The MAC gets $6MM? Looks like the BE is footing $2.5MM of the bill.

If so, good job by the MAC commish.

Plus
"Temple plays 2 hoop games vs. MAC teams and one football game vs. a MAC team (presumably UMass this season)"

If true...I think this works well...

Keep in mind, Temple would still have to add a nonconference game anyway because they would be going for 8 conference games to 7 games...

(03-06-2012 03:54 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  The MAC gets $6MM? Looks like the BE is footing $2.5MM of the bill.

If so, good job by the MAC commish.

I wouldn't be too quick to go by Mike Gibson's blog regarding the details of any agreement. He has frequently jumped the gun and been wrong. He is a huge fan and that sometimes gets the best of him.

(03-06-2012 03:54 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  The MAC gets $6MM? Looks like the BE is footing $2.5MM of the bill.

If so, good job by the MAC commish.

Where are you seeing that?

(03-06-2012 03:54 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  The MAC gets $6MM? Looks like the BE is footing $2.5MM of the bill.

If so, good job by the MAC commish.

I'll believe the 6M figure when I see it. I read the article from Philly as 3.5M total, hopefully the blogger is right and I am wrong. Not sure how it will be divided but each of the 12 "original" MAC schools could get up to 500k! Or another way to look at it would be selling an extra 20,000 seats at $25 each.

Of course it might be nice for the MAC to use some of that money and market the conference

Hope it works out for you guys.

3.5 million in damages is high
Temple would have been better off going to arburtration