Geez, do UCF or ECU play any quality weekend opponents prior to the conference schedule? Aside from one or two mid-week games (e.g., last week's thrashing at the hands of FSU), UCF may qualify as the easiest OOC in the history of college baseball. Talk about inflating stats and one's record.

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Geez, do UCF or ECU play any quality weekend opponents prior to the conference schedule? Aside from one or two mid-week games (e.g., last week's thrashing at the hands of FSU), UCF may qualify as the easiest OOC in the history of college baseball. Talk about inflating stats and one's record.

Bama and UofL and Oral Roberts in the Bama Tourny.

The other weekend series other than Stony Brook is Penn. State

We have mid week games against Troy and NC State before the Confrence slate opens at UCF.

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Geez, do UCF or ECU play any quality weekend opponents prior to the conference schedule? Aside from one or two mid-week games (e.g., last week's thrashing at the hands of FSU), UCF may qualify as the easiest OOC in the history of college baseball. Talk about inflating stats and one's record.

We played Virginia either last year or before.

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Geez, do UCF or ECU play any quality weekend opponents prior to the conference schedule? Aside from one or two mid-week games (e.g., last week's thrashing at the hands of FSU), UCF may qualify as the easiest OOC in the history of college baseball. Talk about inflating stats and one's record.

It's the Donnie Jones influence

(02-27-2012 06:42 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Geez, do UCF or ECU play any quality weekend opponents prior to the conference schedule? Aside from one or two mid-week games (e.g., last week's thrashing at the hands of FSU), UCF may qualify as the easiest OOC in the history of college baseball. Talk about inflating stats and one's record.

We played Virginia either last year or before.

both

2010 we had Uva to open the season followed by South Carolina, went 3-3 in those games

2011 opened @ UVa. got 1 and lost 2, ended the season in the UVa. regional knocked out SJ (BE champ) and in the championship game lost to UVa.

(02-27-2012 06:50 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 06:42 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Geez, do UCF or ECU play any quality weekend opponents prior to the conference schedule? Aside from one or two mid-week games (e.g., last week's thrashing at the hands of FSU), UCF may qualify as the easiest OOC in the history of college baseball. Talk about inflating stats and one's record.

We played Virginia either last year or before.

both

2010 we had Uva to open the season followed by South Carolina, went 3-3 in those games

2011 opened @ UVa. got 1 and lost 2, ended the season in the UVa. regional knocked out SJ (BE champ) and in the championship game lost to UVa.

I knew we played USC also! Our schedule is never light.

(02-27-2012 06:58 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 06:50 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 06:42 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Geez, do UCF or ECU play any quality weekend opponents prior to the conference schedule? Aside from one or two mid-week games (e.g., last week's thrashing at the hands of FSU), UCF may qualify as the easiest OOC in the history of college baseball. Talk about inflating stats and one's record.

We played Virginia either last year or before.

It is awfully light this year. PleAse tell me you're not trying to deny that?
both

2010 we had Uva to open the season followed by South Carolina, went 3-3 in those games

2011 opened @ UVa. got 1 and lost 2, ended the season in the UVa. regional knocked out SJ (BE champ) and in the championship game lost to UVa.

I knew we played USC also! Our schedule is never light.

Purdue, Maryland, Alabama, UofL, Troy, NC State, UNC, ODU, Penn State, and I think Coastal Carolina is light? O.o

Purdue, Maryland, PSU, ODU, UNC, NCSU, UNC-W, Elon, Bama, UofL isn't a lite schedule.

Walt, just because Rice plays the hardest non-conference schedule in the country every year, doesn't mean others don't play quality ones themselves. ECU just finished contracts with South Carolina and Virginia for weekend series the past two years...they're trying to work more out like those for the future.

(02-27-2012 07:07 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Purdue, Maryland, Alabama, UofL, Troy, NC State, UNC, ODU, Penn State, and I think Coastal Carolina is light? O.o

Don't give me the mid-week, single games. Your weekend OOC series are total joke. Not quite as embarrassing as UCF's, but close. Tulane's and USM's aren't much better.

(02-27-2012 08:19 PM)igoe4EastCarolina Wrote:  Walt, just because Rice plays the hardest non-conference schedule in the country every year, doesn't mean others don't play quality ones themselves. ECU just finished contracts with South Carolina and Virginia for weekend series the past two years...they're trying to work more out like those for the future.

What's to work on? Just do it. I understand many of the ACC and SEC teams refuse to schedule home and home series, as they want to stay at home OOC; however, no reason why ECU cannot schedule 2-year home and home series with PAC-10, Big12 or Big West teams. At least schedule weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 100. Doing so not only makes you more battle-tested for the conference action, but it helps the overall conference RPI.

(02-27-2012 10:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 07:07 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Purdue, Maryland, Alabama, UofL, Troy, NC State, UNC, ODU, Penn State, and I think Coastal Carolina is light? O.o

Don't give me the mid-week, single games. Your weekend OOC series are total joke. Not quite as embarrassing as UCF's, but close. Tulane's and USM's aren't much better.

UNC and NCSU are 4 games total, home and home each.

(02-27-2012 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 08:19 PM)igoe4EastCarolina Wrote:  Walt, just because Rice plays the hardest non-conference schedule in the country every year, doesn't mean others don't play quality ones themselves. ECU just finished contracts with South Carolina and Virginia for weekend series the past two years...they're trying to work more out like those for the future.

What's to work on? Just do it. I understand many of the ACC and SEC teams refuse to schedule home and home series, as they want to stay at home OOC; however, no reason why ECU cannot schedule 2-year home and home series with PAC-10, Big12 or Big West teams. At least schedule weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 100. Doing so not only makes you more battle-tested for the conference action, but it helps the overall conference RPI.

Dude we've had contracts with ASU, Cal St. Ful., Pepperdine, UC Irvine., and others.

Last I checked UNC is ranked in the top 10 and has been to the CWS 5 straight times. Even your beloved Owls can't say that. We play them twice and NCSU twice. That as far as they will go with us.

Last year we had UVa. 3 games at their place, the year before UVa. and USC-e (that won the CWS that year) at home for 3 games each.

(02-27-2012 10:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 07:07 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Purdue, Maryland, Alabama, UofL, Troy, NC State, UNC, ODU, Penn State, and I think Coastal Carolina is light? O.o

Don't give me the mid-week, single games. Your weekend OOC series are total joke. Not quite as embarrassing as UCF's, but close. Tulane's and USM's aren't much better.

We've got a team full of freshmen And we aren't at the level to where we draft guys who are immediately going to play at All-American levels off the bat, so why in the hell would we try to throw them in there against a really tough schedule? I admit our's is really weak this year, but it is weak for a reason.

As far as SEC teams go: Finding weekday match-ups is the challenge for teams down here. And we are perfectly located within a 2-5 hours of several SEC schools, so it is much more convenient from a scheduling standpoint to play them in the middle of the week.

Personally, I'd like to see us get some much better opponents on the weekends but we still play a quality OOC schedule almost every year. Like the ECU fan above said, just because we don't play the #1 schedule every year doesn't mean it isn't tough.

(02-27-2012 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 08:19 PM)igoe4EastCarolina Wrote:  Walt, just because Rice plays the hardest non-conference schedule in the country every year, doesn't mean others don't play quality ones themselves. ECU just finished contracts with South Carolina and Virginia for weekend series the past two years...they're trying to work more out like those for the future.

What's to work on? Just do it. I understand many of the ACC and SEC teams refuse to schedule home and home series, as they want to stay at home OOC; however, no reason why ECU cannot schedule 2-year home and home series with PAC-10, Big12 or Big West teams. At least schedule weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 100. Doing so not only makes you more battle-tested for the conference action, but it helps the overall conference RPI.

I really doubt we are trying to put together a garbage schedule. This is the first year I can recall in a long time we didn't have at least one marque OOC series. Last year we played at UVA and the year before we had UVA and USC in back to back weeks at home. It's a 2 way street these teams have to want to play us. We have had west coast series many times in the past, had one last year against Pepperdine, and had a series with UCLA and Fullerton in the past couple of years. The KLC had a decent field (and we failed that test) and then we have the tournament in Alabama with Bama, Louisville, and Oral Roberts. Maybe our other line of thinking is the likely 3 toughest conference series we play all year (Rice, UCF, and USM) are all on the road so maybe we figured we gotta rack up some wins somewhere.

(02-28-2012 12:30 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 08:19 PM)igoe4EastCarolina Wrote:  Walt, just because Rice plays the hardest non-conference schedule in the country every year, doesn't mean others don't play quality ones themselves. ECU just finished contracts with South Carolina and Virginia for weekend series the past two years...they're trying to work more out like those for the future.

What's to work on? Just do it. I understand many of the ACC and SEC teams refuse to schedule home and home series, as they want to stay at home OOC; however, no reason why ECU cannot schedule 2-year home and home series with PAC-10, Big12 or Big West teams. At least schedule weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 100. Doing so not only makes you more battle-tested for the conference action, but it helps the overall conference RPI.

Dude we've had contracts with ASU, Cal St. Ful., Pepperdine, UC Irvine., and others.

Last I checked UNC is ranked in the top 10 and has been to the CWS 5 straight times. Even your beloved Owls can't say that. We play them twice and NCSU twice. That as far as they will go with us.

Last year we had UVa. 3 games at their place, the year before UVa. and USC-e (that won the CWS that year) at home for 3 games each.

We're talking THIS year; not two years ago. And UNC is a mid-week game. When was the last time NCSU was a Top 50 team? There's a big, BIG difference between schedule OOC weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 50 - 100, and those ranked outside the Top 150; particularly those from the North, who have not had the opportunity to practice outside prior to regular season games.

(02-28-2012 09:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 12:30 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 08:19 PM)igoe4EastCarolina Wrote:  Walt, just because Rice plays the hardest non-conference schedule in the country every year, doesn't mean others don't play quality ones themselves. ECU just finished contracts with South Carolina and Virginia for weekend series the past two years...they're trying to work more out like those for the future.

What's to work on? Just do it. I understand many of the ACC and SEC teams refuse to schedule home and home series, as they want to stay at home OOC; however, no reason why ECU cannot schedule 2-year home and home series with PAC-10, Big12 or Big West teams. At least schedule weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 100. Doing so not only makes you more battle-tested for the conference action, but it helps the overall conference RPI.

Dude we've had contracts with ASU, Cal St. Ful., Pepperdine, UC Irvine., and others.

Last I checked UNC is ranked in the top 10 and has been to the CWS 5 straight times. Even your beloved Owls can't say that. We play them twice and NCSU twice. That as far as they will go with us.

Last year we had UVa. 3 games at their place, the year before UVa. and USC-e (that won the CWS that year) at home for 3 games each.

We're talking THIS year; not two years ago. And UNC is a mid-week game. When was the last time NCSU was a Top 50 team? There's a big, BIG difference between schedule OOC weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 50 - 100, and those ranked outside the Top 150; particularly those from the North, who have not had the opportunity to practice outside prior to regular season games.

So what's your proposed solution since you just want to sit here and crucify ECU's schedule? Play teams out west? It's a 2 way street we aren't going to sign OOC series with teams that aren't going to make the return trip.

(02-27-2012 05:40 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Geez, do UCF or ECU play any quality weekend opponents prior to the conference schedule? Aside from one or two mid-week games (e.g., last week's thrashing at the hands of FSU), UCF may qualify as the easiest OOC in the history of college baseball. Talk about inflating stats and one's record.

UCF was supposed to have a 3-game weekend home series this year against FSU this year in return for the 3-game weekend series we played @ FSU last year during the late season conference off week for both teams. However, the ACC and C-USA couldn't/wouldn't accommodate lining up the off weeks for us. So the series was converted to a 2 game mid-week series in March.

(02-28-2012 09:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 09:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 12:30 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 08:19 PM)igoe4EastCarolina Wrote:  Walt, just because Rice plays the hardest non-conference schedule in the country every year, doesn't mean others don't play quality ones themselves. ECU just finished contracts with South Carolina and Virginia for weekend series the past two years...they're trying to work more out like those for the future.

What's to work on? Just do it. I understand many of the ACC and SEC teams refuse to schedule home and home series, as they want to stay at home OOC; however, no reason why ECU cannot schedule 2-year home and home series with PAC-10, Big12 or Big West teams. At least schedule weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 100. Doing so not only makes you more battle-tested for the conference action, but it helps the overall conference RPI.

Dude we've had contracts with ASU, Cal St. Ful., Pepperdine, UC Irvine., and others.

Last I checked UNC is ranked in the top 10 and has been to the CWS 5 straight times. Even your beloved Owls can't say that. We play them twice and NCSU twice. That as far as they will go with us.

Last year we had UVa. 3 games at their place, the year before UVa. and USC-e (that won the CWS that year) at home for 3 games each.

We're talking THIS year; not two years ago. And UNC is a mid-week game. When was the last time NCSU was a Top 50 team? There's a big, BIG difference between schedule OOC weekend series against teams ranked in the Top 50 - 100, and those ranked outside the Top 150; particularly those from the North, who have not had the opportunity to practice outside prior to regular season games.

So what's your proposed solution since you just want to sit here and crucify ECU's schedule? Play teams out west? It's a 2 way street we aren't going to sign OOC series with teams that aren't going to make the return trip.

I already stated the solution. Though most of the top ACC and SEC teams will not schedule home and home series (Arkansas, UVA, Florida, Vandy are the exceptions), most of the top tier programs in the Big 12 (save for Texas and A&M), Pac-10 (save for ASU) and Big West all regularly schedule such OOC series, as does TCU. There are more than enough Top 50 schools to pick from, especially when you include the top programs in the mid-major conference, all of whom are perennial top 50 teams (e.g., Dallas Baptist, Texas State, Sam Houston State, Florida International, Stetson, Coastal, C of C, Fresno State). This is on Goodwin and Rooney; not because they cannot find anyone to reciprocate in home and home series.