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(02-28-2012 03:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Teh only thing is- if it's just playing 1 vs 2 in division- I'm not sure that the rules will allow it. I believe the conference title game MUST be the winners of divisions where everyone has played each other.

To do something like a semi-final situation- you'd have to have 4 divisions. The 4 division winners play each other in semis, then the 2 winners play in the finals.

Your semifinals could be EAst 2 @ West 1 and West 2 @ EAst 1. To avoid giving everybody a second crossover game, everyone else's flex game could be East 8 @ East 3, East 7 @ East 4, East 5 @ East 6. Also helps #3 and #4 get a 7th win for bowl-eligibility.
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(02-28-2012 06:03 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 03:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Teh only thing is- if it's just playing 1 vs 2 in division- I'm not sure that the rules will allow it. I believe the conference title game MUST be the winners of divisions where everyone has played each other.

To do something like a semi-final situation- you'd have to have 4 divisions. The 4 division winners play each other in semis, then the 2 winners play in the finals.

Your semifinals could be EAst 2 @ West 1 and West 2 @ EAst 1. To avoid giving everybody a second crossover game, everyone else's flex game could be East 8 @ East 3, East 7 @ East 4, East 5 @ East 6. Also helps #3 and #4 get a 7th win for bowl-eligibility.

It won't be that....

There are two potential configurations. Either 2 Divisions or 4 Divisions.

If there is 2 Divisions, then the top two teams play each other (again) in a semi final for the right to play the winner of the other divisions semi game. IMO, what they should then do is have a flex schedule where the East plays the West on down....3 v 3, 4 v 4, etc....schedule it at West sites one year and East sites the next.

Or, if there are 4 divisions, then each division winner plays a semi game. Think SE plays Central, Mountain plays West. Then cross divisional games could be played the same way....SE plays Mountain, Central plays West....2v2, 3v3, etc...

Personally I think the Alliance will expand quickly to 24 utilizing WAC teams and a few Sun Belt additions. Here is my prediction:

Southeast Division

FAU*
FIU*
ECU
Marshall
UAB
Southern Miss

Central

Tulane
Rice
Tulsa
La Tech*
North Texas*
UTSA*

Mountain

UTEP
New Mexico St*
New Mexico
Colorado State
Air Force
Wyoming

West

Nevada
Fresno
UNLV
Utah State*
Hawaii
San Jose State*

I noted the additions. This set-up will promote rivalries as well as bring in major markets. UNT, FAU, FIU all have brand new stadiums, all others were WAC programs. This will eliminate the WAC (Idaho will have to go back to I-AA) and give the Alliance additional leverage in TV negotiations. Most likely the Sun Belt backfills with Texas State and two I-AA move-ups...I'd bet Georgia State and Jacksonville State. Then they can look at one additional member to get to 12. They can try and entice App State to join at that point. App may want to wait to see what happens with Charlotte, ODU, James Madison.
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There isn't going to be a semi final without pods. That's the only way it really makes sense to have one. I don't think we are going to get to pods right away unless networks show there is going to be a huge financial gain to doing it, which maybe there is. I like the semi final idea a lot, but the parts to get us there have to be valuable enough to not lessen each of our payouts.
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(02-28-2012 09:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  There isn't going to be a semi final without pods. That's the only way it really makes sense to have one. I don't think we are going to get to pods right away unless networks show there is going to be a huge financial gain to doing it, which maybe there is. I like the semi final idea a lot, but the parts to get us there have to be valuable enough to not lessen each of our payouts.

I think there will be semi's either way....why not? It pits the two best teams in each division against each other for the right to play in a champ game. And it also gives you the ability for 1 cross division game which can be interesting for the home team. The Thanksgiving weekend works perfect for this "flex" game because there are less classes and the conference can schedule on Friday or Saturday for TV purposes.
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Ballard has said on multiple occasions that they expand to 18 by May and then evaluate the VALUE in expanding further. Key word is value. That's what makes me believe we don't go to 24.

I hope that doesn't happen.
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(02-28-2012 09:39 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Ballard has said on multiple occasions that they expand to 18 by May and then evaluate the VALUE in expanding further. Key word is value. That's what makes me believe we don't go to 24.

I hope that doesn't happen.

You must have missed his interview on Pirate Radio where he casually said that the new conference would be "at least" 24 members. He wasnt questioned about that comment, but he did use the term "at least". He also added the value comment, which I believe he meant in terms of the 1)school, 2)market, 3)rival, and 4)athletic program.
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(02-28-2012 09:34 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 09:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  There isn't going to be a semi final without pods. That's the only way it really makes sense to have one. I don't think we are going to get to pods right away unless networks show there is going to be a huge financial gain to doing it, which maybe there is. I like the semi final idea a lot, but the parts to get us there have to be valuable enough to not lessen each of our payouts.

I think there will be semi's either way....why not? It pits the two best teams in each division against each other for the right to play in a champ game. And it also gives you the ability for 1 cross division game which can be interesting for the home team. The Thanksgiving weekend works perfect for this "flex" game because there are less classes and the conference can schedule on Friday or Saturday for TV purposes.

How do you possibly determine home schedules and season ticket packages for that last game without pods? Are teams just going to leave the last week out of the season ticket package and then sell it that week? With pods you could make it work because you could determine 2 pods that would host all of the flex week games and rotate it every year. Otherwise it just seems like a logistical nightmare.
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(02-28-2012 09:45 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 09:39 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Ballard has said on multiple occasions that they expand to 18 by May and then evaluate the VALUE in expanding further. Key word is value. That's what makes me believe we don't go to 24.

I hope that doesn't happen.

You must have missed his interview on Pirate Radio where he casually said that the new conference would be "at least" 24 members. He wasnt questioned about that comment, but he did use the term "at least". He also added the value comment, which I believe he meant in terms of the 1)school, 2)market, 3)rival, and 4)athletic program.

If that's the case he definatly contradicted a very specific statement on "exploring the value beyond 18" in a previous interview. I'm sorry but 24 is a horrible idea IMO. That makes it that much harder to get into an future FBS playoff if conference champions get bids. It also splits the pie too many ways and nearly gurantees a 12 / 12 split later on down the road. Pretty tough to get 16 members on the same page, 24 would be a nightmare.

Literally every time I've heard the number 24 in interviews it is preceeded by words / phrases like "possibly will expand to", "could go to", "might even go to" or something like that.

I know what I heard and it's apparent that they aren't sure what they're going to do other than 18 is a guarantee.
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