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RE: "UNofficial let's invite IL State in '14" thread
(02-26-2012 04:31 PM)jons99 Wrote:  In undergrad academics, ISU is currently a step or two above NIU

And in research activity NIU is a step or 2 above ISU. Nice to see so much pride in your school, from all accounts ISU is a very good undergraduate university. Fact is, academically, ISU is much more like other MAC schools than they are like Big 12 schools.
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(02-26-2012 01:25 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  As made SO DAMN CLEAR to the MAC over the last number of years, the only thing that eastern schools bring to the MAC is B as in B, S as in S. Eastern schools have not brought W's, they have not brought media exposure, they have not brought better recruiting, they have not brought respect. So there is no reason to believe a Delaware, a JMU, an ODU or any other eastern school would treat the MAC in any way other than the conference whore we have established ourselves to be..... Each of those schools would take the MAC, bend us over a dirty toilet, and have their way with us before moving onto their version of greener fields.

If you think otherwise, you are stupid.

The MAC must move on. We are not an eastern conference. FFS, our damn conference name is Mid-American.

The MAC should actively and publicly recruit ISU to the MAC for all sports. It would be a win for the MAC by bringing in a school with a MAC-esque educational mission and a MAC-esque quality Athletic department, all easily within the MAC footprint.

NIU - ISU could grow to resemble a Toledo-BGSU and Akron-Kent rivalry. Hell, at the rate things are going in Illinois, if we brought ISU to the MAC the best two football programs in the state would be NIU, then ISU, then one of those two BigTwelven schools.

Concerns about ISU stealing recruits and press from NIU are overblown. Crikey, have some pride in your school. Even IF that would be the case, then NIU should step up recruiting, and be worthy of better press.. Forward forever forward, not Eeek, ISU is scary and will steal our 2 star recruit and a paragraph of print in the Sun Times! Let's rise to the challenge, not shrink away.

NIU is out here on an island one the western footprint of the MAC, and we should welcome and embrace ISU as the newest western member of the MAC.

No thanks. The Chicago Press is split up enough as it is and NIU HAS ALREADY LAID THE MAC FOOTPRINT IN ILLINOIS, so ISU ADDS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to our media market.

Missouri State in that respect makes 1000 times more sense than Illinois state as a potential member. Bring in a whole new state, St. Louis, Springfield MO, to our media pool...

MO state is a bit of an outlier, just an example of a school that brings what ISU is missing. ...but whatever we do:

1) No more DIRECTIONAL SCHOOLS!
2) No more MICHIGAN, OHIO, ILLINOIS schools (or Indiana for that matter, get a different state under our umbrella)!
3) No more FOOTBALL ONLY members, ever!
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RE: "UNofficial let's invite IL State in '14" thread
Well what you say isnt correct, NIU has an absolutely tiny media presence in the state and basically zero coverage south of I80. Add ISU, and the Mac can cut into the central Illinois region in addition to adding to the Chicago coverage.
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(02-26-2012 04:55 PM)jons99 Wrote:  Well what you say isnt correct, NIU has an absolutely tiny media presence in the state and basically zero coverage south of I80. Add ISU, and the Mac can cut into the central Illinois region in addition to adding to the Chicago coverage.

85% of the population lives north of I80. Adding the other 15% would be like adding the North-Eastern Nebraska TV Market, yay!

No major ad company is excited about the Southern Illinois TV Market, we need to add a school that brings in a larger, fresh market... a new footprint in a different state near a top 25 city.
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(02-26-2012 11:01 AM)jons99 Wrote:  Illinois St is the #2 state school in Illinois, ask any high school guidance department in the state.. would be much better for the MVC to add a few basketball schools (Depaul, Marquette, St Louis) and slowly develop the MVC into a FBS football conference with what they have and a few additions.. Mizzou St, UNI, ISU, NDSU, SIU all have potential there, add a few southern schools and expand the footprint, better than being in a conference like the MAC thats very regionlized.

Why did we start a new thread? This is the same nonsense from the thread that just shut down.
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RE: "UNofficial let's invite IL State in '14" thread
It could be a reasonable thread if everyone would ignore and not keep responding to some of the more outlandish claims by Jons99.
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(02-26-2012 05:01 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 04:55 PM)jons99 Wrote:  Well what you say isnt correct, NIU has an absolutely tiny media presence in the state and basically zero coverage south of I80. Add ISU, and the Mac can cut into the central Illinois region in addition to adding to the Chicago coverage.

85% of the population lives north of I80. Adding the other 15% would be like adding the North-Eastern Nebraska TV Market, yay!

No major ad company is excited about the Southern Illinois TV Market, we need to add a school that brings in a larger, fresh market... a new footprint in a different state near a top 25 city.

But 10% of 15% is greater than 1% of 85%, correct?

ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.
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(02-26-2012 05:49 PM)jons99 Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:01 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 04:55 PM)jons99 Wrote:  Well what you say isnt correct, NIU has an absolutely tiny media presence in the state and basically zero coverage south of I80. Add ISU, and the Mac can cut into the central Illinois region in addition to adding to the Chicago coverage.

85% of the population lives north of I80. Adding the other 15% would be like adding the North-Eastern Nebraska TV Market, yay!

No major ad company is excited about the Southern Illinois TV Market, we need to add a school that brings in a larger, fresh market... a new footprint in a different state near a top 25 city.

But 10% of 15% is greater than 1% of 85%, correct?

ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.

I have to agree with you that a lot more people in the Chicago market would tune to the MAC if either Northern Illinois or Illinois State had a game on TV every week.

Illinois is a big enough state to handle two MAC teams.
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RE: "UNofficial let's invite IL State in '14" thread
There is ZERO evidence that ISU would even consider making the move to FBS football anytime soon. Once again:

Illinois State President Al Bowman: “The long, long range vision is to play football at that next level,” Bowman said of moving from the Championship Subdivision to Bowl Subdivision. “But we’ve got a lot of ground between now and then. We’re real happy with the Missouri Valley right now,” said Bowman.

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RE: "UNofficial let's invite IL State in '14" thread
(02-26-2012 06:00 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:49 PM)jons99 Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:01 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 04:55 PM)jons99 Wrote:  Well what you say isnt correct, NIU has an absolutely tiny media presence in the state and basically zero coverage south of I80. Add ISU, and the Mac can cut into the central Illinois region in addition to adding to the Chicago coverage.

85% of the population lives north of I80. Adding the other 15% would be like adding the North-Eastern Nebraska TV Market, yay!

No major ad company is excited about the Southern Illinois TV Market, we need to add a school that brings in a larger, fresh market... a new footprint in a different state near a top 25 city.

But 10% of 15% is greater than 1% of 85%, correct?

ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.

I have to agree with you that a lot more people in the Chicago market would tune to the MAC if either Northern Illinois or Illinois State had a game on TV every week.

Illinois is a big enough state to handle two MAC teams.

No I disagree. To the Chicagoland media, the only schools regularly worth mentioning are TSISB, Northwestern, and Illinois, and other Big Whatever schools. They don't care whether ISU is FBS or not, they won't cover us or ISU more if we play each other as FBS schools any more than they care when we play each other now.
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(02-26-2012 06:00 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:49 PM)jons99 Wrote:  ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.

I have to agree with you that a lot more people in the Chicago market would tune to the MAC if either Northern Illinois or Illinois State had a game on TV every week.

Illinois is a big enough state to handle two MAC teams.

Delusional minds think alike.

How about any factual evidance of tv ratings from the Chicago market, alumni distribution, student origin among state schools. Stating ISU/NIU would bring significant interest in the Chicago market woud like claiming YSU would give significantly more eyeballs in the Cleveland market..and the MAC has already given us that answer.
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(02-26-2012 07:05 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 06:00 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:49 PM)jons99 Wrote:  ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.

I have to agree with you that a lot more people in the Chicago market would tune to the MAC if either Northern Illinois or Illinois State had a game on TV every week.

Illinois is a big enough state to handle two MAC teams.

Delusional minds think alike.

How about any factual evidance of tv ratings from the Chicago market, alumni distribution, student origin among state schools. Stating ISU/NIU would bring significant interest in the Chicago market woud like claiming YSU would give significantly more eyeballs in the Cleveland market..and the MAC has already given us that answer.

Whatever NIU is getting for the MAC you could probably double it with Illinois State. Doubling down in Illinois is alright.
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(02-26-2012 07:23 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 07:05 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 06:00 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:49 PM)jons99 Wrote:  ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.

I have to agree with you that a lot more people in the Chicago market would tune to the MAC if either Northern Illinois or Illinois State had a game on TV every week.

Illinois is a big enough state to handle two MAC teams.

Delusional minds think alike.

How about any factual evidance of tv ratings from the Chicago market, alumni distribution, student origin among state schools. Stating ISU/NIU would bring significant interest in the Chicago market woud like claiming YSU would give significantly more eyeballs in the Cleveland market..and the MAC has already given us that answer.

Whatever NIU is getting for the MAC you could probably double it with Illinois State. Doubling down in Illinois is alright.

NO, the Illinois media doesn't care.
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(02-26-2012 07:31 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 07:23 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 07:05 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 06:00 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:49 PM)jons99 Wrote:  ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.

I have to agree with you that a lot more people in the Chicago market would tune to the MAC if either Northern Illinois or Illinois State had a game on TV every week.

Illinois is a big enough state to handle two MAC teams.

Delusional minds think alike.

How about any factual evidance of tv ratings from the Chicago market, alumni distribution, student origin among state schools. Stating ISU/NIU would bring significant interest in the Chicago market woud like claiming YSU would give significantly more eyeballs in the Cleveland market..and the MAC has already given us that answer.

Whatever NIU is getting for the MAC you could probably double it with Illinois State. Doubling down in Illinois is alright.

NO, the Illinois media doesn't care.

It likely makes little difference in $$$$ if they were to join. Good for NIU because gain an immediate rival.

The state of MI turns it's back on anything not MSU or Michigan. Illinois and Northwestern might not be the same, but reality tells me having two MAC teams in IL does little for our conference.

I do think it's important to note that all this expansion talk does little to help the MAC. Having Temple in the Philly market didn't reap us millions. I doubt our financials change much without them.

We'd be better off working to strengthen our current programs in football and basketball. This would make others want to join us! Right now, MVC members think they are too good to join the MAC simply because of bball reps.

It's time for our members to get our act together and start making noise in two sports! The rest will fall in place. I'd rather strengthen our position and see what happens in 5-10 years. Big $$$ isn't coming our way by adding any of these schools in the immediate future. I'd rather divide by 12 than 16.

If we want to add anything, let's look to our leadership and ask them to find more creative ways that help us make money. That starts with tv contracts. Then we need to explore the possibility of having our own tv network.
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(02-26-2012 07:23 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 07:05 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 06:00 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:49 PM)jons99 Wrote:  ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.

I have to agree with you that a lot more people in the Chicago market would tune to the MAC if either Northern Illinois or Illinois State had a game on TV every week.

Illinois is a big enough state to handle two MAC teams.

Delusional minds think alike.

How about any factual evidance of tv ratings from the Chicago market, alumni distribution, student origin among state schools. Stating ISU/NIU would bring significant interest in the Chicago market woud like claiming YSU would give significantly more eyeballs in the Cleveland market..and the MAC has already given us that answer.

Whatever NIU is getting for the MAC you could probably double it with Illinois State. Doubling down in Illinois is alright.

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(02-26-2012 07:04 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  No I disagree. To the Chicagoland media, the only schools regularly worth mentioning are TSISB, Northwestern, and Illinois, and other Big Whatever schools. They don't care whether ISU is FBS or not, they won't cover us or ISU more if we play each other as FBS schools any more than they care when we play each other now.

Who is "TSISB"???
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(02-26-2012 09:06 PM)EA3 Wrote:  It likely makes little difference in $$$$ if they were to join. Good for NIU because gain an immediate rival.

The state of MI turns it's back on anything not MSU or Michigan. Illinois and Northwestern might not be the same, but reality tells me having two MAC teams in IL does little for our conference.

I do think it's important to note that all this expansion talk does little to help the MAC. Having Temple in the Philly market didn't reap us millions. I doubt our financials change much without them.

We'd be better off working to strengthen our current programs in football and basketball. This would make others want to join us! Right now, MVC members think they are too good to join the MAC simply because of bball reps.

It's time for our members to get our act together and start making noise in two sports! The rest will fall in place. I'd rather strengthen our position and see what happens in 5-10 years. Big $$$ isn't coming our way by adding any of these schools in the immediate future. I'd rather divide by 12 than 16.

If we want to add anything, let's look to our leadership and ask them to find more creative ways that help us make money. That starts with tv contracts. Then we need to explore the possibility of having our own tv network.

Great post.

I fail to see how adding any or all of several FCS schools "strengthens" the MAC. If anything, especially in the case of the JMU/ODU/UD proposal, adding teams could actually weaken the conference.

If Temple bolts, execute the 2-year term contract for UMass, and focus on strengthening the 12 team MAC.
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(02-26-2012 09:19 PM)wleakr Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 07:04 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  No I disagree. To the Chicagoland media, the only schools regularly worth mentioning are TSISB, Northwestern, and Illinois, and other Big Whatever schools. They don't care whether ISU is FBS or not, they won't cover us or ISU more if we play each other as FBS schools any more than they care when we play each other now.

Who is "TSISB"???

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(02-26-2012 09:24 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 09:06 PM)EA3 Wrote:  It likely makes little difference in $$$$ if they were to join. Good for NIU because gain an immediate rival.

The state of MI turns it's back on anything not MSU or Michigan. Illinois and Northwestern might not be the same, but reality tells me having two MAC teams in IL does little for our conference.

I do think it's important to note that all this expansion talk does little to help the MAC. Having Temple in the Philly market didn't reap us millions. I doubt our financials change much without them.

We'd be better off working to strengthen our current programs in football and basketball. This would make others want to join us! Right now, MVC members think they are too good to join the MAC simply because of bball reps.

It's time for our members to get our act together and start making noise in two sports! The rest will fall in place. I'd rather strengthen our position and see what happens in 5-10 years. Big $$$ isn't coming our way by adding any of these schools in the immediate future. I'd rather divide by 12 than 16.

If we want to add anything, let's look to our leadership and ask them to find more creative ways that help us make money. That starts with tv contracts. Then we need to explore the possibility of having our own tv network.

Great post.

I fail to see how adding any or all of several FCS schools "strengthens" the MAC. If anything, especially in the case of the JMU/ODU/UD proposal, adding teams could actually weaken the conference.

If Temple bolts, execute the 2-year term contract for UMass, and focus on strengthening the 12 team MAC.

Adding the new teams will improve recruiting for the conference and also take a bite out of the MVC, CAA and Atlantic 10 our mid major competitors.

That is the thinking here with the MAC-18...consolidate all of the best mid major programs under one MAC banner to squash out the other D1 competition.
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(02-26-2012 07:31 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 07:23 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 07:05 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 06:00 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 05:49 PM)jons99 Wrote:  ISU not only would bring in the central part of the state, but also increase the Chicago market.

I have to agree with you that a lot more people in the Chicago market would tune to the MAC if either Northern Illinois or Illinois State had a game on TV every week.

Illinois is a big enough state to handle two MAC teams.

Delusional minds think alike.

How about any factual evidance of tv ratings from the Chicago market, alumni distribution, student origin among state schools. Stating ISU/NIU would bring significant interest in the Chicago market woud like claiming YSU would give significantly more eyeballs in the Cleveland market..and the MAC has already given us that answer.

Whatever NIU is getting for the MAC you could probably double it with Illinois State. Doubling down in Illinois is alright.

NO, the Illinois media doesn't care.

It really doesnt matter what the media thinks, its what the fans think, in this case we are basically talking about is the alumni, which I am guessing the NIU and ISU alumni bases in state are about the same..

If you are saying ISU wouldnt help the MAC, you can also say NIU has no value to the MAC, I guess..
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