(02-25-2012 01:02 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 12:58 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  Hey, you have to fly to Fresno State for a game. There is nothing like being an opposing fan in your colors, and having beer thrown all over you.

Intense fans in one way...Super supportive...And also a element of trouble that will keep you on edge the entire time you are in the Stadium.

Couldn't be as bad as attending a game in Morgantown. At least people in the Central Valley marry outside their immediate families.

By 2014/2015 I will be looking forward-(God Willing) to see Louisville playing games back in Morgantown, WV, Austin, Tx, Norman, Ok, Stillwater, Ok & even Provo, Utah.

I wish the nBe well...juz say'n & a heads up from "some1" actually in Louisville.

(02-25-2012 02:14 PM)Maize Wrote:  By 2014/2015 I will be looking forward-(God Willing) to see Louisville playing games back in Morgantown, WV, Austin, Tx, Norman, Ok, Stillwater, Ok & even Provo, Utah.

I wish the nBe well...juz say'n & a heads up from "some1" actually in Louisville.

Maize,

No matter what happens by that time, whether you're here or there, I wish you the best.
It'll be interesting to see who replaces Neinas.

Regarding Austin, we've been there and have done that.
I'm happy to report that the future looks even brighter to us than the past.

I'm fine either way and my actual druthers is as long as the nBe has guaranteed access to either the Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or Cotton Bowl/Capitol One Bowl and the TV $$$ is similar to the ACC then I would prefer to stay in the nBe & play Houston, UC, USF, Memphis-(the old band back together thing) and continue to play UConn & Rutgers.

But right now that is looking doubtful...also, I love Austin but Houston is very underrated...had a blast there also back in the day.

(02-25-2012 02:41 PM)Maize Wrote:  I'm fine either way and my actual druthers is as long as the nBe has guaranteed access to either the Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or Cotton Bowl/Capitol One Bowl and the TV $$$ is similar to the ACC then I would prefer to stay in the nBe & play Houston, UC, USF, Memphis-(the old band back together thing) and continue to play UConn & Rutgers.

But right now that is looking doubtful...also, I love Austin but Houston is very underrated...had a blast there also back in the day.

This is going to get very interesting. I suspect that those requirements will be met (access and tv dollars) but we're in the wait and see mode. I'll give Big East brass credit with how this has shaped up to this point. They've taken a big step in changing the model of the conference. Ever since the Pac 12 looked to expanding into Texas, we'd been hearing that multiple timezone conferences is the next step in the evolution of college sports. I'm optimistic that will prove true.
I'm watching Georgetown and Nova right now on CBS and I'm excited about 2013! If Louisville does leave, I wouldn't mind staying at 12 with the latest rumored addition (Temple). To solidify the West (and basketball), I'd look into bringing San Diego State and Boise State in as All-Sports programs (provided that it's feasible on both sides).

Well, BigEastHomer, I'd like to see that happen, too...eventually. Here's why: SDSU has a good basketball program and a good baseball program as well. Boise State, on the other hand, no so much, but I'm sure their hoops program will improve if they can find the right coach and actually put some funding into it.

As for who I want after Air Force, I'd still put UNLV in front of Fresno State because of hoops and the fact they're in Vegas and can recruit kids from California pretty easily. (That is, if the league decides to invite the Rebels as an all-sports member.) I mean Vegas is about five or six hours (I think) from LA, for heaven's sake. And their football can improve.

Like I've stated earlier in this thread, here's who I want:

Plan A - Air Force. Service academy, national brand. (Football-only.)
Plan B - UNLV. Las Vegas market with access to the state of California for recruiting, same time zone as San Diego State, decent hoops program again. (All-sports invite.)
Plan C - Fresno State. Fresno market plus some access to the Bay Area, decent football, San Diego State's "true" rival (according to some Aztecs fans), same time zone and state as the Aztecs.

(02-25-2012 12:18 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 12:15 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 12:09 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Just doesn't seem like a good fit to me.

Every team that has been added thus far has added at least one of the following: 1) great football, 2) great basketball, 3) great market. I don't see any of that in Fresno.

Didn't Fresno State play USC step for step in the first half of that particular game in '04 or '05? (I don't remember the exact year.) I mean I agree they haven't always been good, but they've had their moments.

Not that I remember, but you may be right. Honestly, I may not know enough about Fresno to make the call, but that in and of itself says something.

What do you think? Do you want them?

Fresno State beat USC 22-7 in that game. (Unless there were two meetings)

(02-25-2012 03:21 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 12:18 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 12:15 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 12:09 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Just doesn't seem like a good fit to me.

Every team that has been added thus far has added at least one of the following: 1) great football, 2) great basketball, 3) great market. I don't see any of that in Fresno.

Didn't Fresno State play USC step for step in the first half of that particular game in '04 or '05? (I don't remember the exact year.) I mean I agree they haven't always been good, but they've had their moments.

Not that I remember, but you may be right. Honestly, I may not know enough about Fresno to make the call, but that in and of itself says something.

What do you think? Do you want them?

Fresno State beat USC 22-7 in that game. (Unless there were two meetings)

I believe that was after Leinart and Bush left Southern Cal. I'm talking about while both were there. Fresno State played well against them in '04 or '05 and almost ruined their perfect season. (Again, can't remember the exact year.)

I would tend to think the BE would want to ensure that AFA is out.....before they move on anyone else.

I would be surprised if BSU and SDSU were completely out of the loop as to what is going on.

(02-25-2012 03:14 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  Well, BigEastHomer, I'd like to see that happen, too...eventually. Here's why: SDSU has a good basketball program and a good baseball program as well. Boise State, on the other hand, no so much, but I'm sure their hoops program will improve if they can find the right coach and actually put some funding into it.

As for who I want after Air Force, I'd still put UNLV in front of Fresno State because of hoops and the fact they're in Vegas and can recruit kids from California pretty easily. (That is, if the league decides to invite the Rebels as an all-sports member.) I mean Vegas is about five or six hours (I think) from LA, for heaven's sake. And their football can improve.

Like I've stated earlier in this thread, here's who I want:

Plan A - Air Force. Service academy, national brand. (Football-only.)
Plan B - UNLV. Las Vegas market with access to the state of California for recruiting, same time zone as San Diego State, decent hoops program again. (All-sports invite.)
Plan C - Fresno State. Fresno market plus some access to the Bay Area, decent football, San Diego State's "true" rival (according to some Aztecs fans), same time zone and state as the Aztecs.

That's the beauty of the way the nBe has proceeded. We aren't at a loss of options to enhance football and basketball.

And like The Brown Bull said, I'm sure it all starts with Air Force.

Just some numbers to throw out. I know suddenly....it seems like many are "up in arms" from the BSU and SDSU camps because of the lack of Western schools being added.

I think the concern is somewhat valid however, I don't think we are seeing the finished product yet. So my thought is patience. But with the advent of airplains....here are the direct flight times from Boise and San Diego to BE destinations:

http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/fr...apolis,+MD

Boise to:
San Diego 1:30
Dallas 2:35
Houston 2:59
Memphis 3:01
Louisville 3:15
Cincy 3:20
Annapolis 4:09
Philly 4:14
NJ (Newark) 4:17
Tampa 4:19
Orlando 4:23
Storrs CT 4:26

San Diego to:
Dallas: 2:22
Houston 2:36
Memphis 3:07
Louisville 3:36
Cincinatti 3:45
Tampa 4:11
Orlando 4:17
Annapolis 4:36
Philly 4:45
NJ 4:51
Storrs 5:03

Ideally, for SDSU and BSU....the conference will expand to 14 teams....so that those 2 schools would only need to play 2 Eastern Conference games a year which would mean only one truly Eastern Road game.

(02-25-2012 04:08 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  Just some numbers to throw out. I know suddenly....it seems like many are "up in arms" from the BSU and SDSU camps because of the lack of Western schools being added.

I think the concern is somewhat valid however, I don't think we are seeing the finished product yet. So my thought is patience. But with the advent of airplains....here are the direct flight times from Boise and San Diego to BE destinations:

http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/fr...apolis,+MD

Boise to:
San Diego 1:30
Dallas 2:35
Houston 2:59
Memphis 3:01
Louisville 3:15
Cincy 3:20
Annapolis 4:09
Philly 4:14
NJ (Newark) 4:17
Tampa 4:19
Orlando 4:23
Storrs CT 4:26

San Diego to:
Dallas: 2:22
Houston 2:36
Memphis 3:07
Louisville 3:36
Cincinatti 3:45
Tampa 4:11
Orlando 4:17
Annapolis 4:36
Philly 4:45
NJ 4:51
Storrs 5:03

Ideally, for SDSU and BSU....the conference will expand to 14 teams....so that those 2 schools would only need to play 2 Eastern Conference games a year which would mean only one truly Eastern Road game.

Yes, that would be ideal. That's why we should push for AFA, UNLV, or Fresno State as #14 if Louisville stays, and two of those three if the Cardinals leave.

BigEastHomer: We definitely agree on who should be our first target. It's the order of the other two we disagree on, but we both feel they're viable targets as well. I think we can, however, agree on having a contingency plan in case AFA refuses us again.

(02-25-2012 04:23 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  Yes, that would be ideal. That's why we should push for AFA, UNLV, or Fresno State as #14 if Louisville stays, and two of those three if the Cardinals leave.

BigEastHomer: We definitely agree on who should be our first target. It's the order of the other two we disagree on, but we both feel they're viable targets as well. I think we can, however, agree on having a contingency plan in case AFA refuses us again.

I'm open to the thought of UNLV and Fresno St.

However, if we were to need a team beyond Air Force to get to #14 (if we had to replace a member), I'd even leverage that last spot - if it helped bring in Air Force.

So, if Air Force wanted Colorado State to sweeten the deal, I'd move Colorado State ahead of UNLV or Fresno.



There are so many moving parts and each candidate brings something different. Fortunately, we have two years to see how these programs progress.

I'm not so sure I'd do that only because I don't know how serious Colorado State is when it comes to improving and supporting their football program, much less their entire athletic department. Market-wise, sure. It's an hour from Denver. AFA is within two hours of the Mile High City as well. Both would get shown in Denver and in Colorado in general. However, AFA offers more to me than CSU because they're a service academy and therefore a national brand, like I've stated earlier. And you know how I feel about UNLV and Fresno State.

First off I want to Thank Steve for Creating this thread,

Secondly- Fresno has the potential to dominate an expanse of California which can be estimated in population between 7-10 Million People- IE Everything North of Los Angeles Area and East and South of the Bay Area. Which Means the Central Valley, Central Coast, and Sierras.

Thirdly- The 2005 USC Game- Fresno St had defending national champion USC on the ropes- when USC had 20 something game winning streak and was the undisputed dominant football team in the nation. The Bulldogs fought like hell, but a key gametime injury to the one of our linebackers who had so far contained Bush, Bad Luck, and iffy playcalling by Pat Hill resulted in us losing 50-42- Worst night following a Sporting Event in my life- Cause we knew how close we were to the legendary breakthrough of beating arguably one, if not the greatest FB teams at their stadium. After that Bulldog Football was not the same, the program lost its swagger, which culminated in Pat Hill being fired.

Air Force is an iffy regarding the prospect for coming over, but there is no more natrual fit than Fresno joining its rivals Boise and San Diego in the Big East. UNLV doesnt control their market, but Fresno has the potential to be a hell of an add for the Big East.

(02-25-2012 10:08 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 09:43 AM)PATiger Wrote:  Unless someone else leaves soon, we won't need to add anyone else until 2015 when Navy joins.

BYU would be a no-brainer if we could get them to play along with the conference television contract. That one is probably a lost cause.

After that, Air Force would be the next big thing.

That's the way the Big East officials USE to think (i.e. not proactively, only reactively when a team or teams were poached).

It's pretty obvious by their recent moves that they want security (of at least 12 teams), even if a member of two gets poached...and bolts right away (as WVU did this year), the Big East (more importantly, their TV partners) will be covered...Conf Championship Game will be played, etc...

I wouldn't be shocked if the Big East continues their PROACTIVE approach...because sitting idly by watching your conf dwindle to just a handleful of football teams left was almost a guaranteed way to kill off the conf all together.

If nothing changes, we'll have 13 FB members by 2013. We could lose one and still have a championship game.

Navy
Temple
Cincy
Rutgers
UConn
USF
UCF

San Diego St
Houston
SMU
Boise St
Air Force
Memphis
Fresno St

Hold at 14 If some schools like Army, CSU, UNM, ECU, UMass, FIU, UTSA, SJSU, go off add them to get to 16.

Two School Presence in the top 3 recruiting states in CA, TX, & FLA.

(02-25-2012 05:21 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  there is no more natrual fit than Fresno joining its rivals Boise and San Diego in the Big East. UNLV doesnt control their market, but Fresno has the potential to be a hell of an add for the Big East.

This is why I like Fresno above UNLV. There is a symmetry in adding another California team.

(02-25-2012 05:21 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Fresno has the potential to dominate an expanse of California which can be estimated in population between 7-10 Million People- IE Everything North of Los Angeles Area and East and South of the Bay Area. Which Means the Central Valley, Central Coast, and Sierras.

No offense, but I don't see Fresno's reach going quite that far. Even if they just bring Fresno County, that's enough, if they can dominate it. That's a million people right there. I would imagine that their reach could go a little beyond that to adjacent counties or even the entire San Joaquin Valley. But I don't see them dominating anything on the coast or even Sacramento.

Don't underestimate the power of having 2 teams in Cali, 2 in Texas, and 2 in Florida. This would hugely benefit all the teams in the Beast when it comes to recruiting. Guaranteed games in each state each year is huge. Free recruiting trips for coaches. Plus the states of Cali, Florida, and Tex all debate who has the best talent and even play their own all star games between each other. Could make this a prove it league for them.

(02-25-2012 06:10 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 05:21 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Fresno has the potential to dominate an expanse of California which can be estimated in population between 7-10 Million People- IE Everything North of Los Angeles Area and East and South of the Bay Area. Which Means the Central Valley, Central Coast, and Sierras.

No offense, but I don't see Fresno's reach going quite that far. Even if they just bring Fresno County, that's enough, if they can dominate it. That's a million people right there. I would imagine that their reach could go a little beyond that to adjacent counties or even the entire San Joaquin Valley. But I don't see them dominating anything on the coast or even Sacramento.

Fresno State is Fresno and the San Joaquin Valley's team. They are not un upstart by any means. They are just lacking good competition coming in their week after week. There is a reason that all the good teams around them have stopped scheduling them and they have to reach out to teams every where to keep their giant killer mantra going.