The SEC was always my preference. Screw Mizzou...

(02-24-2012 07:43 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The SEC was always my preference. Screw Mizzou...

While I understand the SEC reasons for going with Mizzou and will welcome them into the conference as a fan, I still think WVU would have been the better choice. My reasoning is quite simple, the Mountaineers WANTED to be in the SEC and if accepted would not have been enticed elsewhere.

I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite, but I just can't help thinking that if the B1G where to bend a crooked finger in their direction that they'd be out of the SEC with the quickness. And since the SEC 'buyout' constitutes simply not paying the annual $50 membership dues, its really the perfect place to hang out and improve the Mizzou brand.

In the end, I just think the Mizzou wanted out of the B12 more than they wanted into the SEC. While drawing eyeballs in the DC metro area to WVU would have been a challenge, I think that the ROI would have been greater.

(02-23-2012 05:44 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 03:25 PM)dogma Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 02:55 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 02:47 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 02:42 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  Which conference made a panic move to 14 because they were worried they were about to be poached?

Which conference made a panic move to increase their buyout due to fear of losing teams, but were shot down to a lower buyout by their own members?

Which conference has multiple teams in major NCAA violations?

Which conference has programs and schools in financial dissarray?

Which conference has the worst BCS winning percentage and is barely meeting the current BCS requirements if at all?

Which conference hasn't had a team place in the top four for over a decade?

This is a lie

Which conference has the lowest payouts from tv even with the raid of two more BE teams?

Which conference has two teams with athletic advisory committees evaluating their schools athletic futures?

Which conference made a panic move to add two members so they didn't lose their television contract?

Not aware of one that did

Which conference made a panic move to force a grant of rights to keep members from leaving?

None. The Big XII made a calm well thought out business decision.

Which school left their conference in a panic and begged three conferences to accept them?

TCU? Don't think it was them. WVU didn't beg any conference so I know you aren't talking about WVU.

http://mrsec.com/2011/09/cbs-mcmurphy-wv...y-acc-sec/

http://pittsburghsportsdepot.com/2011/09...c-and-acc/

EXCERPT:

We've just gone through a rather interesting year, and so we now have 10 good, solid members. We're very stable for a lot of reasons, and you can't ignore the fact that every one of the 10 signed a grant of rights, which means that the conference now has their television rights, so that puts us in a very secure position going forward.

DU: That was officially executed, correct?

CN: Oh, yes.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...-expansion

As for the ranking being a lie look it up--FSU was the last ACC team ranked in the top four in 1999.

As to your other BS--multiple Big East sources? who are these multiple BE sources? WVU was not approached by those leagues and did not beg to get into either of those leagues. They certainly didn't tell "Big East sources" that they were rejected by either league.

What really happened?

From Mike Casazza
excerpt:

Ok, time to panic

McMurphyCBS Brett McMurphy
Multiple Big East sources said they have been told by WVU officials that WVU rejected by ACC & SEC

slmandel Stewart Mandel
ACC thumbs nose at WVU academics. SEC wants TV sets, and W Va doesn’t have enough of them.

Just because some people might not yet be clear on this, there has been no rejection by the ACC or SEC. WVU knew before then it was not a fit for the ACC, but the SEC ship has not sailed. WVU was kind of mad about this, not that Brett was going with it, but because WVU thought a recruiting rival or a Big East official/school official made it up to knock WVU down a peg.

http://blogs.dailymail.com/wvu/2011/09/2...dback-158/

So lets see...

Believe:
- A) An independent reporter who has been mostly right in his stories/sources
or
- B) WVU's mouthpiece trying to save face

Tough decision there

(02-24-2012 07:43 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The SEC was always my preference. Screw Mizzou...

I agree 100%. WVU should have been picked by SEC over MIZZ.

(02-24-2012 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 07:43 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The SEC was always my preference. Screw Mizzou...

While I understand the SEC reasons for going with Mizzou and will welcome them into the conference as a fan, I still think WVU would have been the better choice. My reasoning is quite simple, the Mountaineers WANTED to be in the SEC and if accepted would not have been enticed elsewhere.

I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite, but I just can't help thinking that if the B1G where to bend a crooked finger in their direction that they'd be out of the SEC with the quickness. And since the SEC 'buyout' constitutes simply not paying the annual $50 membership dues, its really the perfect place to hang out and improve the Mizzou brand.

In the end, I just think the Mizzou wanted out of the B12 more than they wanted into the SEC. While drawing eyeballs in the DC metro area to WVU would have been a challenge, I think that the ROI would have been greater.

WVU drawing eyeballs in DC isn't as big a challenge as you think. The Mountaineers have several Baltimore and DC area players on the team, and Tavon Austin, a legend in Maryland, is WVU's most dynamic player. WVU's top recruit, Deontay McManus is from Baltimore's Dunbar HS, and LB recruit Sam Lebbie is from DeMatha HS...

The Mountaineers have one game scheduled in DC @ FedEx Field this season, against JMU, and another in 2016 against BYU. The Mountaineers have a game scheduled against Maryland in the Ravens Stadium too. But I forget which year that is (2015, I think)...

(02-24-2012 09:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 07:43 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The SEC was always my preference. Screw Mizzou...

While I understand the SEC reasons for going with Mizzou and will welcome them into the conference as a fan, I still think WVU would have been the better choice. My reasoning is quite simple, the Mountaineers WANTED to be in the SEC and if accepted would not have been enticed elsewhere.

I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite, but I just can't help thinking that if the B1G where to bend a crooked finger in their direction that they'd be out of the SEC with the quickness. And since the SEC 'buyout' constitutes simply not paying the annual $50 membership dues, its really the perfect place to hang out and improve the Mizzou brand.

In the end, I just think the Mizzou wanted out of the B12 more than they wanted into the SEC. While drawing eyeballs in the DC metro area to WVU would have been a challenge, I think that the ROI would have been greater.

WVU drawing eyeballs in DC isn't as big a challenge as you think. The Mountaineers have several Baltimore and DC area players on the team, and Tavon Austin, a legend in Maryland, is WVU's most dynamic player. WVU's top recruit, Deontay McManus is from Baltimore's Dunbar HS, and LB recruit Sam Lebbie is from DeMatha HS...

The Mountaineers have one game scheduled in DC @ FedEx Field this season, against JMU, and another in 2016 against BYU. The Mountaineers have a game scheduled against Maryland in the Ravens Stadium too. But I forget which year that is (2015, I think)...

When Oliver Luck came into the job at WVU and began looking over the realignment situation he commented in one article that WVU is only behind Virginia Tech in the D.C. area for viewers. WVU isn't challenged for viewers in the D.C. area.

(02-24-2012 08:41 AM)dogma Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 05:44 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 03:25 PM)dogma Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 02:55 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 02:47 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Which conference made a panic move to add two members so they didn't lose their television contract?

Not aware of one that did

Which conference made a panic move to force a grant of rights to keep members from leaving?

None. The Big XII made a calm well thought out business decision.

Which school left their conference in a panic and begged three conferences to accept them?

TCU? Don't think it was them. WVU didn't beg any conference so I know you aren't talking about WVU.

http://mrsec.com/2011/09/cbs-mcmurphy-wv...y-acc-sec/

http://pittsburghsportsdepot.com/2011/09...c-and-acc/

EXCERPT:

We've just gone through a rather interesting year, and so we now have 10 good, solid members. We're very stable for a lot of reasons, and you can't ignore the fact that every one of the 10 signed a grant of rights, which means that the conference now has their television rights, so that puts us in a very secure position going forward.

DU: That was officially executed, correct?

CN: Oh, yes.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...-expansion

As for the ranking being a lie look it up--FSU was the last ACC team ranked in the top four in 1999.

As to your other BS--multiple Big East sources? who are these multiple BE sources? WVU was not approached by those leagues and did not beg to get into either of those leagues. They certainly didn't tell "Big East sources" that they were rejected by either league.

What really happened?

From Mike Casazza
excerpt:

Ok, time to panic

McMurphyCBS Brett McMurphy
Multiple Big East sources said they have been told by WVU officials that WVU rejected by ACC & SEC

slmandel Stewart Mandel
ACC thumbs nose at WVU academics. SEC wants TV sets, and W Va doesn’t have enough of them.

Just because some people might not yet be clear on this, there has been no rejection by the ACC or SEC. WVU knew before then it was not a fit for the ACC, but the SEC ship has not sailed. WVU was kind of mad about this, not that Brett was going with it, but because WVU thought a recruiting rival or a Big East official/school official made it up to knock WVU down a peg.

http://blogs.dailymail.com/wvu/2011/09/2...dback-158/

So lets see...

Believe:
- A) An independent reporter who has been mostly right in his stories/sources
or
- B) WVU's mouthpiece trying to save face

Tough decision there

If you know anything about sports reporting, then you know McMurphy is the Big East office's mouthpiece. That's how he's gotten all the stories re: BE teams coming & going. So no, I'm not going to take his word for something that puts WVU in a bad light when WVU and the BE offices were basically at war with each other. It's all moot anyway, WVU is now in a great conference with like-minded institutions and is happy to be there.

(02-24-2012 09:32 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 09:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 07:43 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The SEC was always my preference. Screw Mizzou...

While I understand the SEC reasons for going with Mizzou and will welcome them into the conference as a fan, I still think WVU would have been the better choice. My reasoning is quite simple, the Mountaineers WANTED to be in the SEC and if accepted would not have been enticed elsewhere.

I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite, but I just can't help thinking that if the B1G where to bend a crooked finger in their direction that they'd be out of the SEC with the quickness. And since the SEC 'buyout' constitutes simply not paying the annual $50 membership dues, its really the perfect place to hang out and improve the Mizzou brand.

In the end, I just think the Mizzou wanted out of the B12 more than they wanted into the SEC. While drawing eyeballs in the DC metro area to WVU would have been a challenge, I think that the ROI would have been greater.

WVU drawing eyeballs in DC isn't as big a challenge as you think. The Mountaineers have several Baltimore and DC area players on the team, and Tavon Austin, a legend in Maryland, is WVU's most dynamic player. WVU's top recruit, Deontay McManus is from Baltimore's Dunbar HS, and LB recruit Sam Lebbie is from DeMatha HS...

The Mountaineers have one game scheduled in DC @ FedEx Field this season, against JMU, and another in 2016 against BYU. The Mountaineers have a game scheduled against Maryland in the Ravens Stadium too. But I forget which year that is (2015, I think)...

When Oliver Luck came into the job at WVU and began looking over the realignment situation he commented in one article that WVU is only behind Virginia Tech in the D.C. area for viewers. WVU isn't challenged for viewers in the D.C. area.

Oh, I don't doubt that WVU has many D.C. area viewers, but the SEC and their network partners seemed to think otherwise. My impression is that when comparing WVU to Mizzou for potential viewers the state of Missouri outweighed the state of WV, which put the Tigers over the top for #14. The Tigers were low risk, high reward.

Now I'm sure academic perception also negatively effected WVU's chances, but with rumors speculating about a possible SEC Network, I just think that TV sets was the metric that mattered more.

Another factor might be the sec felt it could get WVU whenever it wanted, thus it shouldn't turn down a wiling missouri given the game plan is probably to jump to 16 someday.

Quote:I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite,

Uh actually I've said the opposite.

No offense to USAFmedic, I'm glad the situation worked out for Mizzou, but I have several posts on here saying that I would have rather had WVU join as our new partner/rival in the West than Mizzou:

(01-27-2012 09:50 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I'm glad for Mizzou but while this was all going on I was really pulling for WVU to be our partner in the East, they're a SEC school hands down and would have really given the East a needed shot in the arm.

I don't think that any of the NC schools will ever be in the SEC for one reason or another, but an eventual combo of WVU/VT would be awesome.

I know VT has political issues, but I would say we are proof that "concerned politicians" can be overcome eventually.

Like you Vol, I get why they chose MU over WVU, but to me, if you are picking based on who is really a SEC team, WVU wins that contest hands down.

(02-24-2012 09:47 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 09:32 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 09:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 07:43 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The SEC was always my preference. Screw Mizzou...

While I understand the SEC reasons for going with Mizzou and will welcome them into the conference as a fan, I still think WVU would have been the better choice. My reasoning is quite simple, the Mountaineers WANTED to be in the SEC and if accepted would not have been enticed elsewhere.

I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite, but I just can't help thinking that if the B1G where to bend a crooked finger in their direction that they'd be out of the SEC with the quickness. And since the SEC 'buyout' constitutes simply not paying the annual $50 membership dues, its really the perfect place to hang out and improve the Mizzou brand.

In the end, I just think the Mizzou wanted out of the B12 more than they wanted into the SEC. While drawing eyeballs in the DC metro area to WVU would have been a challenge, I think that the ROI would have been greater.

WVU drawing eyeballs in DC isn't as big a challenge as you think. The Mountaineers have several Baltimore and DC area players on the team, and Tavon Austin, a legend in Maryland, is WVU's most dynamic player. WVU's top recruit, Deontay McManus is from Baltimore's Dunbar HS, and LB recruit Sam Lebbie is from DeMatha HS...

The Mountaineers have one game scheduled in DC @ FedEx Field this season, against JMU, and another in 2016 against BYU. The Mountaineers have a game scheduled against Maryland in the Ravens Stadium too. But I forget which year that is (2015, I think)...

When Oliver Luck came into the job at WVU and began looking over the realignment situation he commented in one article that WVU is only behind Virginia Tech in the D.C. area for viewers. WVU isn't challenged for viewers in the D.C. area.

Oh, I don't doubt that WVU has many D.C. area viewers, but the SEC and their network partners seemed to think so. My impression is that when comparing WVU to Mizzou for potential viewers the state of Missouri outweighed the state of WV, which put the Tigers over the top for #14. The Tigers were low risk, high reward.

Now I'm sure academic perception also negatively effected WVU's chances, but with rumors speculating about a possible SEC Network, I just think that TV sets was the metric that mattered more.

This.

(02-24-2012 08:47 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 07:43 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The SEC was always my preference. Screw Mizzou...

I agree 100%. WVU should have been picked by SEC over MIZZ.

Kansas City market.

Agree though. Missouri to me does not have "SEC" culture to me whatsoever. Big10? Absolutely. ACC sure. But SEC team? Just weird to me.

But, it's Conference Realignment so lets not think rationally.

(02-24-2012 12:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

Quote:I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite,

Uh actually I've said the opposite.

No offense to USAFmedic, I'm glad the situation worked out for Mizzou, but I have several posts on here saying that I would have rather had WVU join as our new partner/rival in the West than Mizzou:

(01-27-2012 09:50 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I'm glad for Mizzou but while this was all going on I was really pulling for WVU to be our partner in the East, they're a SEC school hands down and would have really given the East a needed shot in the arm.

I don't think that any of the NC schools will ever be in the SEC for one reason or another, but an eventual combo of WVU/VT would be awesome.

I know VT has political issues, but I would say we are proof that "concerned politicians" can be overcome eventually.

Like you Vol, I get why they chose MU over WVU, but to me, if you are picking based on who is really a SEC team, WVU wins that contest hands down.

I think that it's likely that MU would remain in the SEC. First of all, the SEC does have the highest prestige of football conferences, and I do think that their fanbase has warmed to that. Second, while their administration may value the B1G's academic prestige, I think many of their fans share the perception many hold that the B1G is "boring" and that it's a rust-belt anachronism, and would resist a move to the B1G. (I don't agree, but there are many with that view.) Finally, I think that the likelihood that the B1G would crook their finger MU's way may well have moved from slim to none with the SEC move. Fair or not, there's an academic stigma associated with the SEC, and academics matter to the B1G. There's also a good chance that MU's football record (and thus the perception of the strength of their program) will degrade in the dog-eat-dog SEC. It may take a while for SEC fans to warm to Missouri as a newcomer, but I don't think that they should be concerned about Missouri leaving.

(02-24-2012 12:32 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 12:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

Quote:I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite,

Uh actually I've said the opposite.

No offense to USAFmedic, I'm glad the situation worked out for Mizzou, but I have several posts on here saying that I would have rather had WVU join as our new partner/rival in the West than Mizzou:

(01-27-2012 09:50 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I'm glad for Mizzou but while this was all going on I was really pulling for WVU to be our partner in the East, they're a SEC school hands down and would have really given the East a needed shot in the arm.

I don't think that any of the NC schools will ever be in the SEC for one reason or another, but an eventual combo of WVU/VT would be awesome.

I know VT has political issues, but I would say we are proof that "concerned politicians" can be overcome eventually.

Like you Vol, I get why they chose MU over WVU, but to me, if you are picking based on who is really a SEC team, WVU wins that contest hands down.

I think that it's likely that MU would remain in the SEC. First of all, the SEC does have the highest prestige of football conferences, and I do think that their fanbase has warmed to that. Second, while their administration may value the B1G's academic prestige, I think many of their fans share the perception many hold that the B1G is "boring" and that it's a rust-belt anachronism, and would resist a move to the B1G. (I don't agree, but there are many with that view.) Finally, I think that the likelihood that the B1G would crook their finger MU's way may well have moved from slim to none with the SEC move. Fair or not, there's an academic stigma associated with the SEC, and academics matter to the B1G. There's also a good chance that MU's football record (and thus the perception of the strength of their program) will degrade in the dog-eat-dog SEC. It may take a while for SEC fans to warm to Missouri as a newcomer, but I don't think that they should be concerned about Missouri leaving.

I don't know, I actually think Mizzou has a better than average chance to win the SEC East this year. They get UGA at home and early in the season and the Dawgs are notorious slow starters. SCAR will be a test, but they'll be w/o Alshon Jefferies. My Vols remain a dumpster fire and UF is still trying to find an offensive scheme. I would put it even money Mizzou could be in the Dome this December.

(02-24-2012 01:04 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 12:32 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 12:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

Quote:I know 10th Mountain and USAFMedic have assured SEC fans that Mizzou will be as committed as any other recent SEC invite,

Uh actually I've said the opposite.

No offense to USAFmedic, I'm glad the situation worked out for Mizzou, but I have several posts on here saying that I would have rather had WVU join as our new partner/rival in the West than Mizzou:

(01-27-2012 09:50 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I'm glad for Mizzou but while this was all going on I was really pulling for WVU to be our partner in the East, they're a SEC school hands down and would have really given the East a needed shot in the arm.

I don't think that any of the NC schools will ever be in the SEC for one reason or another, but an eventual combo of WVU/VT would be awesome.

I know VT has political issues, but I would say we are proof that "concerned politicians" can be overcome eventually.

Like you Vol, I get why they chose MU over WVU, but to me, if you are picking based on who is really a SEC team, WVU wins that contest hands down.

I think that it's likely that MU would remain in the SEC. First of all, the SEC does have the highest prestige of football conferences, and I do think that their fanbase has warmed to that. Second, while their administration may value the B1G's academic prestige, I think many of their fans share the perception many hold that the B1G is "boring" and that it's a rust-belt anachronism, and would resist a move to the B1G. (I don't agree, but there are many with that view.) Finally, I think that the likelihood that the B1G would crook their finger MU's way may well have moved from slim to none with the SEC move. Fair or not, there's an academic stigma associated with the SEC, and academics matter to the B1G. There's also a good chance that MU's football record (and thus the perception of the strength of their program) will degrade in the dog-eat-dog SEC. It may take a while for SEC fans to warm to Missouri as a newcomer, but I don't think that they should be concerned about Missouri leaving.

I don't know, I actually think Mizzou has a better than average chance to win the SEC East this year. They UGA at home and early in the season and the Dawgs are notorious slow starters. SCAR will be a test, but they'll be w/o Alshon Jefferies. My Vols remain a dumpster fire and UF is still trying to find an offensive scheme. I would put it even money Mizzou could be in the Dome this December.

Aaaaand getting obliterated there. Meet the new conference...

Hey, everyone knows the SEC right now is about the trinity of death (ARK, LSU and ALA), but during the 90's it was actually TN, UGA and UF that were the murderers' row of the SEC.

(02-24-2012 12:19 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(02-24-2012 09:47 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Oh, I don't doubt that WVU has many D.C. area viewers, but the SEC and their network partners seemed to think so. My impression is that when comparing WVU to Mizzou for potential viewers the state of Missouri outweighed the state of WV, which put the Tigers over the top for #14. The Tigers were low risk, high reward.

Now I'm sure academic perception also negatively effected WVU's chances, but with rumors speculating about a possible SEC Network, I just think that TV sets was the metric that mattered more.

This.

Agreed. While you can debate the value of WVU and Mizzou but if the SEC is going to create a conference network like the BTN then Mizzou is the logical choice.