(02-22-2012 02:14 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:10 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:00 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 01:47 PM)esayem Wrote:  That's why I think UMass should be looked at as well. That may only happen if Louisville leaves to free up an all-sports slot.

Doesn't Temple make 13 for FB? If UL leaves, then the BE at 12 for FB makes more sense then adding another 13th in UMass.

If UL leaves, the BE has its 12. If UL stays, the BE doesn't need a 14th school until the 2015 season, presumably football only, to come in with Navy.

Army is the logical choice. Perhaps they'll be more receptive.

I think Air Force would be the most logical choice.

West then would look something like-
Air Force, Navy, San Diego St, Houston, SMU, Boise, and Memphis.
East would be:
Cincy, Louisville, Temple, UConn, Rutgers, UCF, USF

If Louisville goes, Memphis shifts to the east, UNLV maybe comes in for the west.

(02-22-2012 02:16 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  Makes it interesting for UL leaving for 2013 because now that will cause the BE to not be able to host a conference championship game. Doubt Marinatto will be as friendly as our UL friends hope to them leaving.

If Louisville announces March 30th they're going to the Big 12, Big East just gets someone like Air Force or UNLV. It's not that tough now.

(02-22-2012 01:19 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

Quote:The Big East is in discussions to add Temple for all sports as early as the next school year...

This leads me to assume (perhaps incorrectly) that Boise for 2012 isn't going to fly.

(02-22-2012 02:03 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @ McMurphyCBS · More
Temple likely to Big East for all-sports in 2012, Boise won't join 'til 2013

Can I have a cookie?

For Boise, it makes a lot of sense to not come in 2012. For one, they can play to get the non-AQ auto BCS bid, which would be huge. Also, they can see what becomes of the WAC, and make moves as such for their other sports.

(02-22-2012 02:16 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  Makes it interesting for UL leaving for 2013 because now that will cause the BE to not be able to host a conference championship game. Doubt Marinatto will be as friendly as our UL friends hope to them leaving.

Thought of that as well, but perhaps the Big 12 wouldn't want Louisville or any additions in 2013 anyway? However if Louisville were to announce that they are leaving for the Big 12 by April of this year, than the BE could not stop Louisville from leaving by July 2014, since that would be 27 months...and than the BE would not be able to have a championship game in 2014 due to Navy not joining until 2015.

(02-22-2012 02:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:14 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:10 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:00 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 01:47 PM)esayem Wrote:  That's why I think UMass should be looked at as well. That may only happen if Louisville leaves to free up an all-sports slot.

Doesn't Temple make 13 for FB? If UL leaves, then the BE at 12 for FB makes more sense then adding another 13th in UMass.

If UL leaves, the BE has its 12. If UL stays, the BE doesn't need a 14th school until the 2015 season, presumably football only, to come in with Navy.

Army is the logical choice. Perhaps they'll be more receptive.

I think Air Force would be the most logical choice.

West then would look something like-
Air Force, Navy, San Diego St, Houston, SMU, Boise, and Memphis.
East would be:
Cincy, Louisville, Temple, UConn, Rutgers, UCF, USF

If Louisville goes, Memphis shifts to the east, UNLV maybe comes in for the west.

Army already has a place for their other sports and brings the Army-Navy game to the BE. They wouldn't have to say goodbye to longtime partners like Wyoming & Colorado State like AFA would. The conference would have a tighter divisional format with an East division consisting of Army, Navy, Rutgers, UConn, Temple, UCF & USF.

Cincy would not want to be put out west quite frankly. I think that'll take the cake quite frankly.

The Alliance forced the Big East's hand by making its move on Temple. The Alliance organizers are trying to convince the potential members to sign their TV rights over to the conference, a la the Big 12, and if Temple were to do so it would effectively take away the Big East's best backfill option if Louisville were to leave.

(02-22-2012 02:16 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  Makes it interesting for UL leaving for 2013 because now that will cause the BE to not be able to host a conference championship game. Doubt Marinatto will be as friendly as our UL friends hope to them leaving.

I think the Conference Championship game is neither here nor there for Louisville leaving in 2013. For a couple of reasons.

1. If Boise had come over in 2012, Temple doesn't get invited and the BE would be at 11 teams in 2013 so I don't think CCG was a primary decision maker in Temple's invitation.

2. The bar has already been set at $20 Million to exit the conference on one years notice, which would be more than enough to buy out another team (AFA, Fresno State etc.) or for the Big East to say screw the CCG and just keep the money. Louisville might also decide that they would rather save the money and stick around for a year (less likely).

3. If Pitt is adement about not paying more than $5 Million to leave the conference they aren't going anywhere until 2014, so there will be enough teams for a CCG.

I can't imagine most of the schools of the alliance, particularly the western schools, but even a school like Tulane, will agree to sign their tv rights away. I imagine that's something that schools like ECU and USM are trying to force, but don't think it'll be sucessful.

(02-22-2012 02:29 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The Alliance forced the Big East's hand by making its move on Temple. The Alliance organizers are trying to convince the potential members to sign their TV rights over to the conference, a la the Big 12, and if Temple were to do so it would effectively take away the Big East's best backfill option if Louisville were to leave.

I'm struggling to believe ECU really wants to sign our rights away to a league with zero real eastern presence and a completely unknown TV value.

(02-22-2012 02:32 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:29 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The Alliance forced the Big East's hand by making its move on Temple. The Alliance organizers are trying to convince the potential members to sign their TV rights over to the conference, a la the Big 12, and if Temple were to do so it would effectively take away the Big East's best backfill option if Louisville were to leave.

I'm struggling to believe ECU really wants to sign our rights away to a league with zero real eastern presence and a completely unknown TV value.

I think that ECU is one that is pushing it quite frankly. They kinow they have 0 chance probably to go anywhere- so they want to lock everyone else in as well.

It will come down to that moment when a major broadcaster says they will give a very sweet deal to the Alliance in return for the alliance members signing over their tv rights to the alliance in order to collectively bargain.

It all depends on the difference of numbers between a contract for an Alliance with no signing of tv rights vs the numbers of a contract to the Alliance that has signed over tv rights.

(02-22-2012 02:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:32 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:29 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The Alliance forced the Big East's hand by making its move on Temple. The Alliance organizers are trying to convince the potential members to sign their TV rights over to the conference, a la the Big 12, and if Temple were to do so it would effectively take away the Big East's best backfill option if Louisville were to leave.

I'm struggling to believe ECU really wants to sign our rights away to a league with zero real eastern presence and a completely unknown TV value.

I think that ECU is one that is pushing it quite frankly. They kinow they have 0 chance probably to go anywhere- so they want to lock everyone else in as well.

There's no one there we really give a crap about being locked with except Marshall and USM, and they are as likely to get a call as we are. The rest of that bunch is just warm bodies to the majority of ECU fans (not necessarily saying that's my opinion). I guess assuming there was going to be a big bump in revenue for signing our rights over as opposed to not doing it then it might happen, but I don't think it's going to.

The thing that Temple going Big East does is eliminate really any shot of the alliance going into the Northeast. The only FBS schools in the Northeast now are UMass and Buffalo. That's it.

Heck- the only teams left on the eastern time zone in FBS currently:
Akron, Bowling Green, Kent St, Miami Ohio, Ohio U, C Michigan, E Michigan, Florida International, Florida Atlantic

(02-22-2012 02:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing that Temple going Big East does is eliminate really any shot of the alliance going into the Northeast. The only FBS schools in the Northeast now are UMass and Buffalo. That's it.

Heck- the only teams left on the eastern time zone in FBS currently:
Akron, Bowling Green, Kent St, Miami Ohio, Ohio U, C Michigan, E Michigan, Florida International, Florida Atlantic

Which is why Villanova's friends are no longer standing by them in blocking Temple.

(02-22-2012 02:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing that Temple going Big East does is eliminate really any shot of the alliance going into the Northeast. The only FBS schools in the Northeast now are UMass and Buffalo. That's it.

Heck- the only teams left on the eastern time zone in FBS currently:
Akron, Bowling Green, Kent St, Miami Ohio, Ohio U, C Michigan, E Michigan, Florida International, Florida Atlantic

True and the rumors prior to Temple going to the BE were that UMass might come to the Alliance with them plus 1 other MAC team. Don't know how close to reality that is or was. Also the F_U schools are known to be on the Alliance radar. Maybe now instead of one of either FIU/FAU it could be both.

1 other team in the NE that I failed to memtion- Army....

Temple to me is a huge non get for the Alliance. It was the 1 real hope on the east coast for relevancy that they could add.

(02-22-2012 02:49 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing that Temple going Big East does is eliminate really any shot of the alliance going into the Northeast. The only FBS schools in the Northeast now are UMass and Buffalo. That's it.

Heck- the only teams left on the eastern time zone in FBS currently:
Akron, Bowling Green, Kent St, Miami Ohio, Ohio U, C Michigan, E Michigan, Florida International, Florida Atlantic

True and the rumors prior to Temple going to the BE were that UMass might come to the Alliance with them plus 1 other MAC team. Don't know how close to reality that is or was. Also the F_U schools are known to be on the Alliance radar. Maybe now instead of one of either FIU/FAU it could be both.

I think it may have to be both FIU/FAU.

(02-22-2012 02:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 other team in the NE that I failed to memtion- Army....

Temple to me is a huge non get for the Alliance. It was the 1 real hope on the east coast for relevancy that they could add.

Absolutely. No denying that. Now if the Alliance could somehow get Army interested, which I doubt, that would remove some of the sting of not getting Temple.