I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.

Which scenario would you rather have?

1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.


Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

(02-21-2012 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.

Which scenario would you rather have?

1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.


Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

#1. As Carville sort-of said: 'It's the economy, stupid!'

While they aren't really related I do find it an interesting question, because by devoting campaign or legislative time toward economic or social issues, Republicans are implicitly demonstrating their preference for one of these two outcomes. Democrats are also implicitly choosing between good economy+ban gay marriage vs bad economy+gay marriage, though since Republicans and Democrats approach 'solving' the economy in completely different manners, it seems likely that either the Republicans or Democrats (or both) actually hurt the economy whenever they spend their political capital to try to make it better.

(02-21-2012 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.

Which scenario would you rather have?

1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.


Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

Anybody who answers #2 concerns me deeply.

(02-22-2012 03:35 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.
Which scenario would you rather have?
1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.
2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.
Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

Anybody who answers #2 concerns me deeply.

No kidding.

What really concerns me is that the only way to get unemployment down is to revitalize the producer side of our economy, and the only hope for doing that would seem to lie with republicans, and that's not much of a hope because they're spending all their time trying to outlaw gay marriage.

Yep, #1 is a win-win, imo.

1

who would answer 2?

How about the reverse...

1.) Gay marriage was banned and the economy would boom for the next 20-25 years

2.) Gay marriage was legal and the economy continued south for 20-25 years.

#1

(is this a "common ground" thread where we all hug it out before going to our respective corners?)

(02-22-2012 09:11 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  #1

(is this a "common ground" thread where we all hug it out before going to our respective corners?)

No. Just seeing how far your/their ideology goes.

(02-22-2012 09:12 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 09:11 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  #1

(is this a "common ground" thread where we all hug it out before going to our respective corners?)

No. Just seeing how far your/their ideology goes.

Need a more subtle question than this then. It's disappointing to see the GOP double-down on social issues the past few weeks. The RNC has to be having a heart attack watching Santorum's poll numbers surge.

(02-22-2012 09:15 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 09:12 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 09:11 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  #1

(is this a "common ground" thread where we all hug it out before going to our respective corners?)

No. Just seeing how far your/their ideology goes.

Need a more subtle question than this then. It's disappointing to see the GOP double-down on social issues the past few weeks. The RNC has to be having a heart attack watching Santorum's poll numbers surge.

Gay marriage ins't my big issue. My number one issue right now is the economy. I don't think Santorum can beat Obama.

(02-22-2012 09:03 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  How about the reverse...

1.) Gay marriage was banned and the economy would boom for the next 20-25 years

2.) Gay marriage was legal and the economy continued south for 20-25 years.

it would still be number 1. Social issues will work themselves out eventually, especially in prosperous times.

(02-21-2012 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.

Which scenario would you rather have?

1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.


Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

1) How about Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, Weed, alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine are all outlawed in every state

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, the above substances are all legal.

....

Saying that you 'understand' there is no causality does not make the act of acting like their is some causality any less silly.

(02-22-2012 11:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.

Which scenario would you rather have?

1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.


Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

Saying that you 'understand' there is no causality does not make the act of acting like their is some causality any less silly.

Seriously? I think you need to slow your roll. It's just to see what is more important to people.

BTW, on yours, I would choose the economy. Drugs and alcohol can be banned but can't be made to disappear.

(02-22-2012 11:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 11:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.

Which scenario would you rather have?

1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.


Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

Saying that you 'understand' there is no causality does not make the act of acting like their is some causality any less silly.

Seriously? I think you need to slow your roll. It's just to see what is more important to people.

BTW, on yours, I would choose the economy. Drugs and alcohol can be banned but can't be made to disappear.

It's a silly question, sorry if that seems like a hard core criticism worthy of me 'slowing my roll'



Slow down you damn roll!

(02-22-2012 11:18 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 11:10 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 11:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.

Which scenario would you rather have?

1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.


Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

Saying that you 'understand' there is no causality does not make the act of acting like their is some causality any less silly.

Seriously? I think you need to slow your roll. It's just to see what is more important to people.

BTW, on yours, I would choose the economy. Drugs and alcohol can be banned but can't be made to disappear.

It's a silly question, sorry if that seems like a hard core criticism worthy of me 'slowing my roll'



Slow down you damn roll!

damn, that roll looks good.

(02-22-2012 11:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 11:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I realize this these are two issues that have no causal relationship with each other. However, I'd still like to have your opinions.

Which scenario would you rather have?

1) Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage is legal in every state in the country.

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, gay marriage will be outlawed all throughout the country for that time span.


Once again, i realize the lack of causality. Just curious to your opinions.

1) How about Unemployment is down to 2-5% for the next 20 years, however, Weed, alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine are all outlawed in every state

2) Unemployment is between 10-15% for the next 20 years, however, the above substances are all legal.

....

Saying that you 'understand' there is no causality does not make the act of acting like their is some causality any less silly.

There might not have been causality in aTx's situation, but at least the two outcomes were independently possible. If all those substances were banned nationwide, there is absolutely no way unemployment would drop that low, unless you are depending on so many people leaving the labor force (or the country altogether). There are too many people who work in the entertainment/hospitality/tourism sectors that depend on high profit margins from alcohol, and worker productivity would plummet due to the caffeine prohibition. Plus, California would completely disintegrate.

How abt...

#1 Illegal immigration is banned and the economy takes off like a rocket and unemployment is below 2% for 20+ years
#2 Leave thing the way they are for the next 20 years

The point of the question is likely... How far or deep do your social mandates go. Interestingly, virtually all of the right wants a stronger economy... As does, I suspect the left. On the social question, certainly SOMe want to punish gays, but it's a small group, and even smaller that would sacrifice the economy to "win". The right is probably around 50/50 or even better of people who, despite their personal opinion, want the government out of our lives.

You would think, with most liberals wanting gay marriage legal, and half of republicans wanting it to not be an issue for the government, which would make it defecto, legal... It is still slow to get done. The left will argue that the far right controls the party, but the truth is, the left isn't satisfied with accomplishing the goal. It insists on outlawing the thoughts. This is true of Abortion, racism, sexism etc etc. the left just can't see that the whole reason the far rights argument has any traction at all, is because the left wants to criminalize their belief system to support another belief system. Freedom is freedom... The right to be wrong... The right to be different. That includes differences that the majority finds abhorrent.

I just don't understand why the left doesn't see this... And I'd call out the resident lefties to answer the real question...

If marriage were a religious distinction alone and carried no weight with the government, would you drop the gay marriage issue?