RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-22-2012 07:14 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote: I think if UMass takes off, and is added to the Big East- Its the Big East- but as of right now- even with the Temple Add- its the ACC...
Let's face it: Extremely weak adds like Temple and Umass would hurt our standing as a premier East Coast football conference, not enhance it. More warm bodies in an area doesn't mean you own more of that area. It's quality that counts.
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-22-2012 09:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:
(02-22-2012 07:14 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote: I think if UMass takes off, and is added to the Big East- Its the Big East- but as of right now- even with the Temple Add- its the ACC...
Let's face it: Extremely weak adds like Temple and Umass would hurt our standing as a premier East Coast football conference, not enhance it. More warm bodies in an area doesn't mean you own more of that area. It's quality that counts.
If Temple and UMass could average 35K-40K in FB, they would be assets. I don't know if they can do that.
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-22-2012 09:42 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:
(02-22-2012 09:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:
(02-22-2012 07:14 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote: I think if UMass takes off, and is added to the Big East- Its the Big East- but as of right now- even with the Temple Add- its the ACC...
Let's face it: Extremely weak adds like Temple and Umass would hurt our standing as a premier East Coast football conference, not enhance it. More warm bodies in an area doesn't mean you own more of that area. It's quality that counts.
If Temple and UMass could average 35K-40K in FB, they would be assets. I don't know if they can do that.
... and if Savannah State had Tom Brady at QB, Megatron at WR, and Ray Rice at RB, they would probably end up in a BCS bowl this season. But ....
Anyway, one thing that should concern all of us about the "new big east" additions is their poor football attendance. Out average attendance was a weak 39,000 before the new additions, but most of them average a good 5,000 to 10,000 less than that.
There is an almost 1 to 1 correlation between attendance and being "big time". The SEC averages 75,000 a game, the B1G averages 72,000, and on down the list. There is no substitute for paying fan attendance. That's the root that leads to the big national TV contracts, etc.
(This post was last modified: 02-22-2012 10:09 PM by quo vadis.)
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-22-2012 09:42 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:
(02-22-2012 09:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:
(02-22-2012 07:14 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote: I think if UMass takes off, and is added to the Big East- Its the Big East- but as of right now- even with the Temple Add- its the ACC...
Let's face it: Extremely weak adds like Temple and Umass would hurt our standing as a premier East Coast football conference, not enhance it. More warm bodies in an area doesn't mean you own more of that area. It's quality that counts.
If Temple and UMass could average 35K-40K in FB, they would be assets. I don't know if they can do that.
Give them time. Building a program and a following is a gradual process. Temple is on its way (2 bowls in 3 years... should have been 3 out of 3) and it will be furthered by a Big East schedule. If you look at how TCU and now Houston have built their crowds, it's taken a sustained period of success. Years and years..
But they're doing it.... And so will the Owls.
(This post was last modified: 02-22-2012 09:58 PM by BigEastHomer.)
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-22-2012 09:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:
(02-22-2012 09:42 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:
(02-22-2012 09:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:
(02-22-2012 07:14 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote: I think if UMass takes off, and is added to the Big East- Its the Big East- but as of right now- even with the Temple Add- its the ACC...
Let's face it: Extremely weak adds like Temple and Umass would hurt our standing as a premier East Coast football conference, not enhance it. More warm bodies in an area doesn't mean you own more of that area. It's quality that counts.
If Temple and UMass could average 35K-40K in FB, they would be assets. I don't know if they can do that.
... and if Savannah State had Tom Brady at QB, Megatron at WR, and Ray Rice at RB, they would probably end up in a BCS bowl this season. But ....
Anyway, one thing that should concern all of us about the "new big east" additions is their poor football attendance. Out average attendance was a weak 39,000 before the new additions, but most of them average a good 5,000 to 10,000 less than that.
There is an almost 1 to 1 correlation between attendance and being "big time". The SEC averages 75,000 a game, the B1G averages 72,000, and on down the list. There is no substitute for paying fan attendance. That's the root that leads to the big national TV contracts, etc.
This is true. But I expect all schools to increase attendance in the new Big East.
As long as the conference can average 40K, we'll be ok. With WVU gone, it's going to be a challenge.
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-23-2012 02:02 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:
(02-23-2012 12:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote: Temple's fan base is suspect. Weren't they kicked out for averaging about 5000 a game?
How long ago was that though? It's as relevant to now as Ernie Davis is for Syracuse.
It is still relevant...sure they can puff up attendance with Penn State and Nova but if the BE is playing games in front of 10k fans it is friggin embarrassing.
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-21-2012 09:13 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:
(02-21-2012 08:59 PM)stever20 Wrote: I wouldn't even put either Navy or Maryland in the Northeast. I know I live in Northern VA- and this is not a northeast area at all- Mid Atlantic for sure- and if I had to classify it one way or the other- it'd be southeast.
Judging from some posts I've seen, UMD is considered a "yankee", at least to some people.
North of I-64? East (-/+ 70 miles) of I-79? Not just Yankees, sir. Damned Yankees.
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-22-2012 09:44 AM)TexanMark Wrote:
(02-22-2012 01:46 AM)billyjack Wrote:
(02-21-2012 10:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote: The goal of the ACC in "stealing" Pitt and Syracuse was to decapitate the Big East as a major northeast/atlantic coast football conference, and they succeeded.
And the fact that the great bulk of the New Big East's additions in response to that have come from far, far away from the "East" just hammers that point home.
Do you think losing Pitt or WVa affects NY Metro? How often does NYC sports radio discuss Pitt, WVa or Syracuse football...? Never. Syracuse hoops was a big loss, but losing Pitt and WVa hoops doesn't register in NYC. And even in losing those three, 13/16ths of the BB conference stayed intact, including the national champions.
NYC Radio rarely talks about college FB, period. No one owns NYC for college FB but is shared by lots of players...but Cuse is a one of them.
College Basketball is different. Cuse is a major player as evident by the sold out MSG a few weeks back against SJU. 75% of the fans were Cuse fans. The BE Basketball Tourney will take a huge hit without Cuse. UConn is the second best NYC fan base but the NYC college basketball scene will be hurt...the real shame of this conference realignment.
Interesting how different regions have different sports interests, in general. In the south, college football is talked about on sports radio 24/7/365. College basketball is talked about during March Madness. Pro sports are talked about on slow days, or as filler.
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-23-2012 01:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote:
(02-23-2012 02:02 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:
(02-23-2012 12:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote: Temple's fan base is suspect. Weren't they kicked out for averaging about 5000 a game?
How long ago was that though? It's as relevant to now as Ernie Davis is for Syracuse.
Hey BE Homer...be ready for this.
This was UConn at Temple in 2010 in front of ahh hmmm 28,000 fans.
By my calculations, the new football additions have an average attendance of about 31,000 fans a game. That is WAY too low to sustain a major football conference.
Of course, their defenders will say "well, we'll build up the programs" and will point to schools like USF that did so. But USF joined a Big East that had some reasonably big football names to compete against, like WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse. That was a big step up from Army, UAB, and Memphis so Bulls fans started to come out more. But the new teams are not joining that Big East. They are joining a Big East that looks an awful lot like the CUSA they just left, so it doesn't make much sense to posit a big jump in fan excitement ...
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2012 02:08 PM by quo vadis.)
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-23-2012 01:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote: By my calculations, the new football additions have an average attendance of about 31,000 fans a game. That is WAY too low to sustain a major football conference.
Of course, their defenders will say "well, we'll build up the programs"
LOL! You just answered your own question.
Houston has been increasing their season ticket holder base steadily over the past few years and selling out The Rob. I don't think you quite understand the impact that being in a higher profile conference will mean to schools like Houston and Temple.
It's not just about being successful (and the new additions are doing that) it's about being PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
The upcoming television deal with increase exposure and line the right pockets to make even more significant investments into the program infrastructures.
There is a groundswell of support around these programs that will only continue to grow due to their added relevancy.
Because of this, programs like Houston have had wide-spread support to set solid construction dates on GAME CHANGERS like a brand new stadium and a modern renovation of the existing arena.
I could go on, but like I said, you answered your own question. It's about a change in culture.
And, I'll add that we've added plenty of credibility with additions with national followings like Boise State and Navy. Our brand will remain strong and VISIBLE.
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2012 02:29 PM by BigEastHomer.)
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-23-2012 01:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote: By my calculations, the new football additions have an average attendance of about 31,000 fans a game. That is WAY too low to sustain a major football conference.
Of course, their defenders will say "well, we'll build up the programs" and will point to schools like USF that did so. But USF joined a Big East that had some reasonably big football names to compete against, like WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse. That was a big step up from Army, UAB, and Memphis so Bulls fans started to come out more. But the new teams are not joining that Big East. They are joining a Big East that looks an awful lot like the CUSA they just left, so it doesn't make much sense to posit a big jump in fan excitement ...
As an SMU fan that attends most games, I can say that I am excited about the new Big East coming to Dallas. I'm looking forward to seeing Boise, Louisville, Rutgers, and (of course) UConn. To me, that's a more interesting schedule than Marshall, Tulane, UTEP, and Southern Miss.
I think the new Big East will result in increased attendance here.
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2012 07:36 PM by UConn-SMU.)
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-23-2012 07:39 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:
(02-23-2012 01:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote: Hey BE Homer...be ready for this.
This was UConn at Temple in 2010 in front of ahh hmmm 28,000 fans.
Once that is a conference game it will mean more, and attendance will increase.
I agree. And, Temple and UCONN have been putting on some pretty exciting fb games. I can easily see this rivalry developing as conference ramifications get added to the mix.
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2012 07:48 PM by BigEastHomer.)
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-23-2012 02:18 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:
(02-23-2012 01:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote: By my calculations, the new football additions have an average attendance of about 31,000 fans a game. That is WAY too low to sustain a major football conference.
Of course, their defenders will say "well, we'll build up the programs"
LOL! You just answered your own question.
Houston has been increasing their season ticket holder base steadily over the past few years and selling out The Rob. I don't think you quite understand the impact that being in a higher profile conference will mean to schools like Houston and Temple.
It's not just about being successful (and the new additions are doing that) it's about being PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
The upcoming television deal with increase exposure and line the right pockets to make even more significant investments into the program infrastructures.
There is a groundswell of support around these programs that will only continue to grow due to their added relevancy.
Because of this, programs like Houston have had wide-spread support to set solid construction dates on GAME CHANGERS like a brand new stadium and a modern renovation of the existing arena.
I could go on, but like I said, you answered your own question. It's about a change in culture.
And, I'll add that we've added plenty of credibility ....
Living in an SEC city, I can assure up that the Big East has added zero credibility with these moves. If they think about the Big East at all, nobody in any major college football areas is impressed by CUSA refugees. Schools like Memphis, Navy, SDSU, and SMU are considered low end cannon fodder utterly outside the big time college football conversation. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
RE: Who would rule the Northeast, the NBE or the ACC?
(02-23-2012 10:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote: Living in an SEC city, I can assure up that the Big East has added zero credibility with these moves. If they think about the Big East at all, nobody in any major college football areas is impressed by CUSA refugees. Schools like Memphis, Navy, SDSU, and SMU are considered low end cannon fodder utterly outside the big time college football conversation. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
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