(03-22-2012 03:38 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-22-2012 03:14 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I haven't been to the Riverwalk but I'm downtown regularly. I wouldn't say the Ga State athletics is in my face very often. I did walk through campus during the Hunger Walk so I saw the logo on the buildings a few times.
San Antonio is just more isolated than Atlanta. They have much better chance of capturing fans on a Saturday afternoon than Ga State when you have Ga Tech right there and Athens and Auburn a relatively short drive away.

Come on AJ, you live here. You know GT has no fans outside alumni and students.

At this point I am ok with whatever happens. Just want it over

I admit that I am surprised when I find a non-Ga Tech alum who is a fan, but I do find them every now and then. If they get basketball going again they'll pick up more.
Agreed about wanting it over.

(03-22-2012 11:47 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  @STATE55
You should probably go back and read the thread as its been answered multiple times now but it is 38 pages so no biggie I guess.

UTSA is already going to be FBS no matter what we do. GSU will only be FBS if someone brings them up. Letting GSU into FBS adds recruiting competition that previously did not exist. This would be okay if GSU would stick around but its possible bigmarketconference2013 will take them up quickly after the Belt is used as the welcome mat.

There is no need to be upset.

Thanks, Tiguar. I almost threw my phone against the wall at the thought of having to repeat it again.

(03-23-2012 12:55 AM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 12:23 AM)G-STATE-55 Wrote:  

(03-22-2012 11:47 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  @STATE55
You should probably go back and read the thread as its been answered multiple times now but it is 38 pages so no biggie I guess.

UTSA is already going to be FBS no matter what we do. GSU will only be FBS if someone brings them up. Letting GSU into FBS adds recruiting competition that previously did not exist. This would be okay if GSU would stick around but its possible bigmarketconference2013 will take them up quickly after the Belt is used as the welcome mat.

There is no need to be upset.

So my question to all of you USA fans.....how long exactly are you planning on being in the SunBelt? I would think most of the Jag Nation would be hoping to move out of the SunBelt which begs the question.....How are we any different?

The argument is that you're stuck without a Sun Belt invite, and that if we don't offer it, you can't/won't move up.

Funny because I remember seeing it posted before how you guys would kill for a Sun Belt invite (before all of this latest movement), which was then met with every "Pfft" and "We're too good . . . " kind of comment you can think of. Funny how things have now come full circle.

At the very least, I would LOVE to play you guys one more time though.

Edit: And to answer your question, every school would consider a move if it was right for them. Difference is, we all are already members of the Sun Belt and are FBS programs. There's obviously so many circumstances involved with that though, who knows where the Sun Belt, the Alliance, or Mega Super Duper BIG 24 ACC will be if and when more movement happens. If Benson comes in and does what we're all hopeful of him doing, and we are proactive on expansion and make sound conference decisions, I could see the SB start to move the meter in the near future.

I'm with you there, BIR. In a few years, if the SBC has grown to point that it a realistic competitor to these other conferences, then we can take a chance on moving up a serious flight-risk like Ga State.
Right now, creating an non-BCS FBS competitor where one doesn't currently exist is a short-sighted move.

I think moving up GSU is an OK risk once conference realignment dies down. Just... not right now. But I won't freak out if Benson and the prez'es decide its the best decision.

They surely would accept if invited and they could use it as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. They picture themselves as replacing Georgia Tech as "Atlanta's Team". Have to give them a pat on the back, though. From 0 to startup, to CAA, to...no, wait....to BCS and the Sun Belt, to the Great Alliance Conference, then an invitation to the Southeastern Conference...

(03-23-2012 10:16 AM)SidJag Wrote:  They surely would accept if invited and they could use it as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. They picture themselves as replacing Georgia Tech as "Atlanta's Team". Have to give them a pat on the back, though. From 0 to startup, to CAA, to...no, wait....to BCS and the Sun Belt, to the Great Alliance Conference, then an invitation to the Southeastern Conference...

Hilarious. Like I said before, GT has never been Atlanta's Team. They are way too elitist even though they are located smack dab in the middle of Atlanta's urban core. The truth is that if there was a 3* or 4* RB in the 30313 zip code TODAY, that kid would sign with Georgia, Auburn or Clemson over Georgia Tech. The have zero populist appeal because frankly they like it that way. They have no problem with letting people know they do not belong. That's why kids in that same area code are more likely to be wearing a Georgia cap. Most of us have no illusions of a Power 6 Conference ever. I would be perfectly happy in a mid major FBS conference where we can sign home and home and 2 and 1 games with Power 6 conference schools. Anything is better than away games 23.5 hrs away.

(03-23-2012 10:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:16 AM)SidJag Wrote:  They surely would accept if invited and they could use it as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. They picture themselves as replacing Georgia Tech as "Atlanta's Team". Have to give them a pat on the back, though. From 0 to startup, to CAA, to...no, wait....to BCS and the Sun Belt, to the Great Alliance Conference, then an invitation to the Southeastern Conference...

Hilarious. Like I said before, GT has never been Atlanta's Team. They are way too elitist even though they are located smack dab in the middle of Atlanta's urban core. The truth is that if there was a 3* or 4* RB in the 30313 zip code TODAY, that kid would sign with Georgia, Auburn or Clemson over Georgia Tech. The have zero populist appeal because frankly they like it that way. They have no problem with letting people know they do not belong. That's why kids in that same area code are more likely to be wearing a Georgia cap. Most of us have no illusions of a Power 6 Conference ever. I would be perfectly happy in a mid major FBS conference where we can sign home and home and 2 and 1 games with Power 6 conference schools. Anything is better than away games 23.5 hrs away.

Have you been catching Chuck Oliver's daily recap of Georgia Tech's commitments for 2013?

(03-23-2012 10:16 AM)SidJag Wrote:  Georgia Tech as "Atlanta's Team".

(03-23-2012 10:32 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:16 AM)SidJag Wrote:  They surely would accept if invited and they could use it as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. They picture themselves as replacing Georgia Tech as "Atlanta's Team". Have to give them a pat on the back, though. From 0 to startup, to CAA, to...no, wait....to BCS and the Sun Belt, to the Great Alliance Conference, then an invitation to the Southeastern Conference...

Hilarious. Like I said before, GT has never been Atlanta's Team. They are way too elitist even though they are located smack dab in the middle of Atlanta's urban core. The truth is that if there was a 3* or 4* RB in the 30313 zip code TODAY, that kid would sign with Georgia, Auburn or Clemson over Georgia Tech. The have zero populist appeal because frankly they like it that way. They have no problem with letting people know they do not belong. That's why kids in that same area code are more likely to be wearing a Georgia cap. Most of us have no illusions of a Power 6 Conference ever. I would be perfectly happy in a mid major FBS conference where we can sign home and home and 2 and 1 games with Power 6 conference schools. Anything is better than away games 23.5 hrs away.

Have you been catching Chuck Oliver's daily recap of Georgia Tech's commitments for 2013?

No I havent. Have just lived here 30 years and know that when I rooted for them it was because I hated Georgia and that like I said you never see a 12 or 14 year old walk into Lidz or Walters or Finish Line looking for GT stuff. Their populist appeal outside of alumni, students and their families is non-existent. If they are doing well for 2013, which I am guessing youre indicating, it will not last. They will never be able to compete with UGA head to head.

(03-23-2012 10:39 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:32 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:16 AM)SidJag Wrote:  They surely would accept if invited and they could use it as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. They picture themselves as replacing Georgia Tech as "Atlanta's Team". Have to give them a pat on the back, though. From 0 to startup, to CAA, to...no, wait....to BCS and the Sun Belt, to the Great Alliance Conference, then an invitation to the Southeastern Conference...

Hilarious. Like I said before, GT has never been Atlanta's Team. They are way too elitist even though they are located smack dab in the middle of Atlanta's urban core. The truth is that if there was a 3* or 4* RB in the 30313 zip code TODAY, that kid would sign with Georgia, Auburn or Clemson over Georgia Tech. The have zero populist appeal because frankly they like it that way. They have no problem with letting people know they do not belong. That's why kids in that same area code are more likely to be wearing a Georgia cap. Most of us have no illusions of a Power 6 Conference ever. I would be perfectly happy in a mid major FBS conference where we can sign home and home and 2 and 1 games with Power 6 conference schools. Anything is better than away games 23.5 hrs away.

Have you been catching Chuck Oliver's daily recap of Georgia Tech's commitments for 2013?

No I havent. Have just lived here 30 years and know that when I rooted for them it was because I hated Georgia and that like I said you never see a 12 or 14 year old walk into Lidz or Walters or Finish Line looking for GT stuff. Their populist appeal outside of alumni, students and their families is non-existent. If they are doing well for 2013, which I am guessing youre indicating, it will not last. They will never be able to compete with UGA head to head.

Actually, they have zero commits for 2013. So the recap goes like this.

"And here's a quick recap of Tech's 2013 commit list...(dead air)...alright now back to..."

(03-23-2012 11:10 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:39 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:32 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 10:16 AM)SidJag Wrote:  They surely would accept if invited and they could use it as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. They picture themselves as replacing Georgia Tech as "Atlanta's Team". Have to give them a pat on the back, though. From 0 to startup, to CAA, to...no, wait....to BCS and the Sun Belt, to the Great Alliance Conference, then an invitation to the Southeastern Conference...

Hilarious. Like I said before, GT has never been Atlanta's Team. They are way too elitist even though they are located smack dab in the middle of Atlanta's urban core. The truth is that if there was a 3* or 4* RB in the 30313 zip code TODAY, that kid would sign with Georgia, Auburn or Clemson over Georgia Tech. The have zero populist appeal because frankly they like it that way. They have no problem with letting people know they do not belong. That's why kids in that same area code are more likely to be wearing a Georgia cap. Most of us have no illusions of a Power 6 Conference ever. I would be perfectly happy in a mid major FBS conference where we can sign home and home and 2 and 1 games with Power 6 conference schools. Anything is better than away games 23.5 hrs away.

Have you been catching Chuck Oliver's daily recap of Georgia Tech's commitments for 2013?

No I havent. Have just lived here 30 years and know that when I rooted for them it was because I hated Georgia and that like I said you never see a 12 or 14 year old walk into Lidz or Walters or Finish Line looking for GT stuff. Their populist appeal outside of alumni, students and their families is non-existent. If they are doing well for 2013, which I am guessing youre indicating, it will not last. They will never be able to compete with UGA head to head.

Actually, they have zero commits for 2013. So the recap goes like this.

"And here's a quick recap of Tech's 2013 commit list...(dead air)...alright now back to..."

LMAO LOUD! And they blame it on their academics except that Stanford which is not an easy school does just fine. What would be funny would be for them to switch to from the Triple Option to the Spread and still not be able to recruit the #4 recruiting ground in America.

I think GT gets plenty of support outside of its alma mater. They average over 45k on a bad year. That can't all be people that went to school there. Now GSU, is just a diploma mill and even your alma mater could care less about GSU sports. Most people in the city of Atlanta can't even tell you where the campus starts and the city ends. It's not a real campus. Panama you have a really over infladted impression of what people in Atlanta think of GSU. It's good that you are proud of your school but your representation of what people in Atlanta think of it, is highly misleading.As a matter of fact you are pretty much a one man show on these message boards. I noticed on the threads "all things GSU" you literally took up one whole page of just you answering yourself.

Chan Gailey's last class was full of talent, so Ga Tech certainly can get players with the right coaches/system. Paul Johnson isn't interested in hauling in talent, just fits for his scheme. I think he's costing himself wins with that strategy but he's been successful his way.
Academics are an issue at Ga Tech. Historically Stanford hasn't had tremendous talent either, they just happen to be riding a wave at this point in time.
Back to the topic at hand, I wouldn't say Ga Tech is "Atlanta's Team' although they have a little more common appeal than you suggest. The closest thing to a city team is UGA but even that is an exaggeration. Its just too much of a transient population in Atlanta for one team to command this market. That's also what makes is tough for Ga State to forge an identity.

Georgia Tech common appeal to whom? The recruits and the kids who will be future recruits do not root for Georgia Tech. You can use the Triple Option's scheme to explain why they dont get offensive recruits. They run the 3-4 defense and they they arent getting those 4* LBs and DBs either. How often historically has Tech signed one of the Top 5 players in the state? Top 10? Even in the Chan Gailey era they were not beating Georgia for recruits. How they got Calvin Johnson still mystifies me.

(03-23-2012 12:23 AM)G-STATE-55 Wrote:  

(03-22-2012 11:47 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  @STATE55
You should probably go back and read the thread as its been answered multiple times now but it is 38 pages so no biggie I guess.

UTSA is already going to be FBS no matter what we do. GSU will only be FBS if someone brings them up. Letting GSU into FBS adds recruiting competition that previously did not exist. This would be okay if GSU would stick around but its possible bigmarketconference2013 will take them up quickly after the Belt is used as the welcome mat.

There is no need to be upset.

So my question to all of you USA fans.....how long exactly are you planning on being in the SunBelt? I would think most of the Jag Nation would be hoping to move out of the SunBelt which begs the question.....How are we any different?

USA is a founding members of the Sun Belt with an endowment that dwarfs most schools in the south. Pretty sure they are quite content with the option of playing their rival, Troy, Louisiana teams who are a skip and a hop from Mobile, and Florida teams.

Uab vs South is not going to draw like Troy Vs South will. Even in basketball if you have both teams winning it's going to be a huge draw.

(03-23-2012 01:10 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I think GT gets plenty of support outside of its alma mater. They average over 45k on a bad year. That can't all be people that went to school there. Now GSU, is just a diploma mill and even your alma mater could care less about GSU sports. Most people in the city of Atlanta can't even tell you where the campus starts and the city ends. It's not a real campus. Panama you have a really over infladted impression of what people in Atlanta think of GSU. It's good that you are proud of your school but your representation of what people in Atlanta think of it, is highly misleading.As a matter of fact you are pretty much a one man show on these message boards. I noticed on the threads "all things GSU" you literally took up one whole page of just you answering yourself.

Name one thing on that thread that is not true. I'll give you a few minutes.




I have never said that GSU runs Atlanta or anything of the sort. This city has 5.8M people so it would be difficult for anyone to run it outside of Georgia and they dont even completely. As for GSU being a diploma mill, that is laughable. You can go on to USNWR Compass and see how many categories we are ranked in academically (41).

(03-23-2012 01:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Georgia Tech common appeal to whom? The recruits and the kids who will be future recruits do not root for Georgia Tech. You can use the Triple Option's scheme to explain why they dont get offensive recruits. They run the 3-4 defense and they they arent getting those 4* LBs and DBs either. How often historically has Tech signed one of the Top 5 players in the state? Top 10? Even in the Chan Gailey era they were not beating Georgia for recruits. How they got Calvin Johnson still mystifies me.

There are more Ga Tech fans than just alums and current students. Not as many as your average SEC school, but they are out there.
Paul Johnson's recruiting philosophy is to get kids he thinks fit rather than kids with stars. That has given him an attitude that you need him more than he needs you and that turns off recruits on both sides of the ball.
That last class of Gailey's, with Giff Smith as recruiting coordinator, was full of three and four star guys. Morgan Burnett, Derrick Morgan and Jonathan Dwyer were part of it. Check it out:
http://southalabama.scout.com/a.z?s=466&...-1&yr=2007
Ga Tech can pull in good players, but they need coaches who want to recruit. Johnson will never put an emphasis on that it will cost him, in my opinion.

(03-23-2012 01:49 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:10 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I think GT gets plenty of support outside of its alma mater. They average over 45k on a bad year. That can't all be people that went to school there. Now GSU, is just a diploma mill and even your alma mater could care less about GSU sports. Most people in the city of Atlanta can't even tell you where the campus starts and the city ends. It's not a real campus. Panama you have a really over infladted impression of what people in Atlanta think of GSU. It's good that you are proud of your school but your representation of what people in Atlanta think of it, is highly misleading.As a matter of fact you are pretty much a one man show on these message boards. I noticed on the threads "all things GSU" you literally took up one whole page of just you answering yourself.

Name one thing on that thread that is not true. I'll give you a few minutes.




I have never said that GSU runs Atlanta or anything of the sort. This city has 5.8M people so it would be difficult for anyone to run it outside of Georgia and they dont even completely. As for GSU being a diploma mill, that is laughable. You can go on to USNWR Compass and see how many categories we are ranked in academically (41).

actually the city has 7 million people and if you ever passed by the Darlington in Buckhead you would know that. and come on dude. You know GSU is a diploma mill. The majority of Atlanta will always view it as such. With schools like Mercer, GT, Ogelthorpe, Emory and Agnus Scott here, GSU will always be viewed as a diploma mill. But look dude who cares if you are. My problem with you is that obviously GSU has hired you to be the spokesmodel for it's school because you are a one man show on these boards making it look like people in Atlanta actually think GSU is the next big thing. As someone who lives here that is just not even close to being true. In this market driven sports world you might have potential but GSU is far from realized.

I think Ga State would be a great asset to help promote SBC recruiting in Georgia.

I do not see where anyone expects Ga State to overshadow UGA and GA Tech in the near future. That is crazy.

That is like saying WKU is going to overshadow Kentucky and Louisville.

Or thinking that South Alabama having football immediately puts it in the standing of Alabama or Auburn football teams in the State of Alabama. That is wild.

I think the question is a magnitude of sharing the spotlight. Alabama shares the stage with Auburn. Everybody else, UAB, Troy, South Alabama, steps on the stage when they exit. It will be the same way for Ga State with UGA and GA Tech.

LSU is the sole person on the stage in Louisianna. Tulane has to share the runner up spot with La Tech. In fact, I say La Tech is ahead of Tulane now. Correspondingly, it will be quite a few years before Ga State will be able to stand toe to toe with UGA or GA Tech, but they have to start somewhere. So let them help us while it helps itself. Things will change one day.

Believe me, FSU is still reeling from the lost to USF.

(03-23-2012 02:10 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:49 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:10 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I think GT gets plenty of support outside of its alma mater. They average over 45k on a bad year. That can't all be people that went to school there. Now GSU, is just a diploma mill and even your alma mater could care less about GSU sports. Most people in the city of Atlanta can't even tell you where the campus starts and the city ends. It's not a real campus. Panama you have a really over infladted impression of what people in Atlanta think of GSU. It's good that you are proud of your school but your representation of what people in Atlanta think of it, is highly misleading.As a matter of fact you are pretty much a one man show on these message boards. I noticed on the threads "all things GSU" you literally took up one whole page of just you answering yourself.

Name one thing on that thread that is not true. I'll give you a few minutes.




I have never said that GSU runs Atlanta or anything of the sort. This city has 5.8M people so it would be difficult for anyone to run it outside of Georgia and they dont even completely. As for GSU being a diploma mill, that is laughable. You can go on to USNWR Compass and see how many categories we are ranked in academically (41).

actually the city has 7 million people and if you ever passed by the Darlington in Buckhead you would know that. and come on dude. You know GSU is a diploma mill. The majority of Atlanta will always view it as such. With schools like Mercer, GT, Ogelthorpe, Emory and Agnus Scott here, GSU will always be viewed as a diploma mill. But look dude who cares if you are. My problem with you is that obviously GSU has hired you to be the spokesmodel for it's school because you are a one man show on these boards making it look like people in Atlanta actually think GSU is the next big thing. As someone who lives here that is just not even close to being true. In this market driven sports world you might have potential but GSU is far from realized.

The "official" Atlanta MSA has 5.4M and the CSA has 5.8M. I dont think the sign on the Darlington building can be taken as an "official" count. LOL (Although the Chinese restaurant in the bottom is excellent). I however do not work for GSU. The purpose of the All Things GSU thread was to clear up some misconceptions that were getting thrown around by haters or people who were in the Omni in 1981 or people who drive through downtown but never get out to walk around. It was also a way to post things in one spot and not start 11 new threads a week. My solution for threads I dont like is to not read them but then that's just me.

Dude, thanks for agreeing with me that nothing posted on the All Things GSU thread is less than factual. :)