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Brian Kelly said "Inner city kids lie to protect themselves and others" i.e. don't snitch was a cultural thing.

I'm saying that kids who come from poverty don't handle pressure as well as those who come from more stable settings.

Kelly may be right, and there's plenty of info out there to lend credence to what he said. His mistake was saying it to the media, most of whom are PC junkies who care more about creating controversy than actually getting to the truth.


Here's a little collaborative info on poverty and how it effects performance.
http://www.ascd.org/publications/books/1...mance.aspx

Quote:The brains of infants are hardwired for only six emotions: joy, anger, surprise, disgust, sadness, and fear (Ekman, 2003). To grow up emotionally healthy, children under 3 need

* A strong, reliable primary caregiver who provides consistent and unconditional love, guidance, and support.
* Safe, predictable, stable environments.

Strong, secure relationships help stabilize children's behavior and provide the core guidance needed to build lifelong social skills. Children who grow up with such relationships learn healthy, appropriate emotional responses to everyday situations. But children raised in poor households often fail to learn these responses, to the detriment of their school performance. For example, students with emotional dysregulation may get so easily frustrated that they give up on a task when success was just moments away. I've watched impoverished children lose it over the simplest of tasks. Many can't handle the simplest form of pressure. I'm sure this continues (likely declines some with age) through adulthood although I'm sure coping skills improve some with age.



Children raised in poverty are much less likely to have these crucial needs met than their more affluent peers are and, as a result, are subject to some grave consequences. Deficits in these areas inhibit the production of new brain cells, alter the path of maturation, and rework the healthy neural circuitry in children's brains, thereby undermining emotional and social development and predisposing them to emotional dysfunction.

Low-income caregivers are typically half as likely as higher-income parents are to be able to track down where their children are in the neighborhood (Evans, 2004), and frequently they do not know the names of their children's teachers or friends. (seen this a gazillion times).

Low-SES children are often left home to fend for themselves and their younger siblings while their caregivers work long hours; compared with their well-off peers, they spend less time playing outdoors and more time watching television and are less likely to participate in after-school activities (U.S. Census Bureau, 2000). Unfortunately, children won't get the model for how to develop proper emotions or respond appropriately to others from watching cartoons; they need warm, person-to-person interactions. The failure to form positive relationships with peers inflicts long-term socioemotional consequences (Szewczyk-Sokolowski et al., 2005).

(02-18-2012 08:22 PM)WMUbroncos Wrote:  State does pretty well with some PSL products. Also, the Western player who does the worst job of handling adversity hails from Bay Village, OH. Pretty "stable" area.

I don't think he's unstable at all. Does he get miffed when MAC refs make a stupid call. Yep, and probably justified. There's no stat for guys getting pissed off at MAC officiating because there's no statistician who could keep up.

Does Stain not perform up to expectations?.............He's a sophomore and leads us in scoring. From my prospective he's done little to let us down this year, particularly when you consider he's a sophomore. But our seniors have stunk it up for the most part, at the time in their career when you'd expect a whole lot more production.

As for MSU, Appling is a great talent. One of the best high school players in the country coming out of HS. His talent will carry him. Nix has been disappointment.

Manny and Dion Harris were both Mr. Bballs and PSL grads, and were a headaches for the staff at UM. Both left school early, didn't make it into the league, and are playing overseas. DeShawn Sims (Pershing) made it through four years at UM, but was another player who never lived up to the hype and never helped UM to a winning season.

Ramar Smith PSL, was a 1st team All American by many publications, a can't miss. Went to Tennessee, got in trouble with the law, never made it through his sophomore year. Transferred to a few schools, and dropped off the face of the earth.

The PSL has produced a lot of players in recent years who didn't live up to their high school billing. Joe Crawford, Malik Hairston, Brandon Cotton, Willie Mitchell to name a few.

Interesting research. I'm just curious if you held this same view last year when they were winning more games and coming thru in the clutch? It just seems that there are two different seasons, the three same players, and completely different results.

A rational conclusion would not be that they are "clutch" or "chokers", they are somewhere in between.....which is where most everyone falls given a large enough test period. Say 60 games?

(02-19-2012 08:59 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Interesting research. I'm just curious if you held this same view last year when they were winning more games and coming thru in the clutch? It just seems that there are two different seasons, the three same players, and completely different results.

A rational conclusion would not be that they are "clutch" or "chokers", they are somewhere in between.....which is where most everyone falls given a large enough test period. Say 60 games?

I'm sure there are a ton of variables you could plug into why we were clutch last year and not this year, and yes they are somewhere between being Dave Kool and Shaq. Unfortunately it's not being tested over 60 games, and in this limited survey the results have been not so hot.

Last years 30 games didn't count? Add those to this year and you have roughly 60 games...prolly closer to 50 playing together because of injuries.

That's the thing, you completely ignore what they did last year and fail to account for all the diversity they've encountered this season.

Predicting the broncos would win 20 games this season was not realistic given our schedule. Yes they gained a year of experience, but a ridiculously tough non conference schedule more than negated that. A more realistic prediction would have been 17 or 18 wins. They are 11-16 with four games remaining. They win out or go 3-1, and they have 14/15 wins. That's 3 or 4 off the pace of what we expected. That's 3 OT losses and two missed free throws in conference from being where we thought they should be. Maybe it's time we stop judging them on the results of those four games. There are dozens and dozens of plays that could have changed the outcomes in our favor.

I don't know if there is a team around that has endured injuries to 8 of it's top 10 players, all who have missed game time, and still be in position to win 14/15 games.

At some point in time, you have to look at this season and think "damn, a lot of stuff has gone wrong that wasn't necessarily controllable" rather than concluding our losses are due to PSL kids with different upbringings.

Quote:That's the thing, you completely ignore what they did last year and fail to account for all the diversity they've encountered this season.

You mean "adversity?"

Well, they have had adversity in terms of injuries and a tough schedule, but then they didn't play when they were injured so their performance really wasn't a factor. When they played, their productions was pretty spotty.

They're seniors. Back in Feb/March of 2010 when Flen was a soph, he played like a future MAC POY. He was unstoppable. I haven't seen that guy this year. As for Ward, he's just been so inconsistent. Not just from game to game but from half to half. MD's got better from year to year. He's probably a bigger offensive weapon than Hawk lets him be, or maybe it's just not in his nature to look to score first.

(02-19-2012 09:39 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Last years 30 games didn't count? Add those to this year and you have roughly 60 games...prolly closer to 50 playing together because of injuries.

That's the thing, you completely ignore what they did last year and fail to account for all the diversity they've encountered this season.

Predicting the broncos would win 20 games this season was not realistic given our schedule. Yes they gained a year of experience, but a ridiculously tough non conference schedule more than negated that. A more realistic prediction would have been 17 or 18 wins.

Games we should have won
SDSU
Colorado
EMU
2 of 3- Kent, Akron, Buff

11-16 becomes 16-11

16-11 win 3 of the last 4- BSU, CMU, EMU, we get to 19 wins.

Win 1 in the tourney and you're at 20. It was doable, and we almost did it.

Adversity...yes

The injuries have really hurt us, IMO, because we haven't been able to find a rhythm.

In regards to ward, I really think he is a shell of himself due to his leg injury. I've never heard a bad word uttered about him. He is visibly slower this year and is physically "bigger" than last year. He's lost a step and I really think it has to do with his leg injury.

In regards to Flen, IMO here is the main reason he hasn't performed as well as we expected:

He's really had problems co-existing in the post with stain. Or, the team has had problems with this. It's clear stain is more gifted offensively. Flens role changed this year after the first game. Unfortunately, we don't have good enough outside shooters that can allow two post players to flourish. It's extremely hard to go from option 2 in the post to number 1 when stain is out. Also, with the emergence of stain and flens dominance last year, a lot of teams have gone to automatic double teams in the post against us. Being a gifted passer or decision maker has never been his strong suit, those get magnified in a double team. FYI- I was trolling thru the East boards last week and one poster said that Flen is playing really well right now and looked like the POTY. Obviously he isn't, but someone thought he played well enough that he appeared unstoppable.

MD has performed very well this year. A few I'll advised passes and a cold shooting night here or there, but nothing far off from our expectations.

(02-19-2012 10:03 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  

(02-19-2012 09:39 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Last years 30 games didn't count? Add those to this year and you have roughly 60 games...prolly closer to 50 playing together because of injuries.

That's the thing, you completely ignore what they did last year and fail to account for all the diversity they've encountered this season.

Predicting the broncos would win 20 games this season was not realistic given our schedule. Yes they gained a year of experience, but a ridiculously tough non conference schedule more than negated that. A more realistic prediction would have been 17 or 18 wins.

Games we should have won
SDSU
Colorado
EMU
2 of 3- Kent, Akron, Buff

11-16 becomes 16-11

16-11 win 3 of the last 4- BSU, CMU, EMU, we get to 19 wins.

Win 1 in the tourney and you're at 20. It was doable, and we almost did it.

True. However, the Winthrop, Duquesne, and Oakland stretch looked like a 1 or maybe 2 losses before the season. We definitely didn't think Oakland would be a blowout, and we thought Winthrop and duquesne would be really tough. We were fortunate enough to sweep.

The Colorado game was weird. We played really well in the first half and Colorado came out and dropped 50 on us in the second half. They literally had one guy that we couldn't contain. I think hutch was in some foul trouble and had the assignment. It was frustrating to watch, especially knowing that wins would be tough to come by in the non conference portion.

It was Carlos brown for Colorado. He was huge for them in the second half. Hutch ended up fouling out. Richie ended up having to guard him, it didn't go well. Then hawk put David brown in and he didn't have much luck stopping him either.

Dip, you're hiding behind that research to back your claim that you don't like FLEN, WARD, AND DOUGLAS and made a nasty statement about them.

You have to be embarrassed with your level of bs here, even CMUDOC just nailed you on your hypocrisy, yet you continue on blaming the "PC Crowd" for the reason that you made a complete A$$ of yourself.

I'll be gracious and say that it's either that or you don't know better, and judging from your completely inane, and ignorant Turbo Tax question, you don't know better.

I'm convinced now after all these years of reading and debating your total ignorance that you're the worst kind, and idiot that thinks that you're intelligent, in other words, you're a MORON, pure and simple.

Come on, admit it. You could care less about the content of the discussion. It's like you're back in high school. You don't even read the content, you're all about trying to be the coolest cat on BroncoStampede. Jeez Louis, you got my vote. If being a popular guy on a message board is important to you than by all means, you sir--are the king of the world of Broncostampede. A big man on campus, homecoming king of Broncostampe, the grand poobah. Congrats man, you're the top dog, big cheese, the top banana, the cherry on the Sundae.

You sir are a better man than I am. I can only hope to aspire to your level of greatness. In the kingdom of BroncoStampede you are a Nobleman, and I a mere court jester. I salute, and bow before your amazingness. And with that, I bequeath upon you as many of those precious user ratings as you'd like.

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Glad I have DB blocked.

Quote:I'll be gracious and say that it's either that or you don't know better, and judging from your completely inane, and ignorant Turbo Tax question, you don't know better.

I'm sure those who responded and told of their experience with tax software appreciate your feedback. Seriously dude, WTF is wrong with you?

Stainbrook is a pretty good basketball player, but it's pretty obvious to everyone he does a terrible job with adversity. He doesn't only cry about MAC calls. He does it every game. There's lots of 9 year olds that appear more mature on a basketball court.

Also the PSL is pretty good, man.

http://www.detroitpslbasketball.com/?page_id=80