(02-17-2012 01:16 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I think you don't know much about ASU's fanbase nor its leadership. Our leaders are doing exactly what they should be doing - exploring all options. Like anyone in their position they will attempt to position themselves for the best option available and work down the list.

You may be right, but I see ASU moving to the FBS and competing very favorably at that level in five years.

Unless your admin are willing to start in the Sun Belt or maybe the MAC you will be playing in the SoCon. From everything Ive seen and read from Charlie Cobb he isn't wanting or willing to do that. I know you can't go by message boards but I have been on AGS and Appys message boards and the majority of Appy fans who post don't want to start at the bottom. Most are delusional and think the SoCon is better.

NO

(02-17-2012 01:43 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 01:16 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I think you don't know much about ASU's fanbase nor its leadership. Our leaders are doing exactly what they should be doing - exploring all options. Like anyone in their position they will attempt to position themselves for the best option available and work down the list.

You may be right, but I see ASU moving to the FBS and competing very favorably at that level in five years.

Unless your admin are willing to start in the Sun Belt or maybe the MAC you will be playing in the SoCon. From everything Ive seen and read from Charlie Cobb he isn't wanting or willing to do that. I know you can't go by message boards but I have been on AGS and Appys message boards and the majority of Appy fans who post don't want to start at the bottom. Most are delusional and think the SoCon is better.

You're right you can't go by message boards. If we're going by message boards then everyone's fanbase in delusional. Our leaders are willing to listen to every opportunity out there. Does it hurt to dream big and try to position yourselves for the best open spot out there only to fall into the 2nd better available option? Of course it doesn't.

I'll trust my knowledge of ASU and our leadership over your interpretation of ASU fans via message boards.

(02-17-2012 11:54 AM)belmont Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 09:40 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:08 AM)Southern Miss Alum Wrote:  http://www2.journalnow.com/sports/2012/f...r-1940038/

Not a chance for Appy in the CUSA/MWC merger. A list of names has already surfaced and Charlotte (who I also think is a long-shot) is even ahead of them.

I do think they might get a shot in the Sunbelt with Benson talking of expanding. Not to mention that we might be getting ready to take a Sunbelt team or two.

There is an official list, ranked in order of preference?

I wouldn't call it an "official" list but it is a list nonetheless that was obtained from sources by ESPN's Andy Katz. These are in no particular order. Here is the link to the thread:

http://www.csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=555533

(02-17-2012 08:52 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:08 AM)Southern Miss Alum Wrote:  http://www2.journalnow.com/sports/2012/f...r-1940038/

The Winston-Salem Journal is a big App homer paper. Articles like this, while they might have some validity, need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Of course the Journal is a homer paper for ASU. Their coverage area is Western NC and guess who has the overwhelming fan following in those areas? Is the Daily Reflector a homer paper for ECU? Sometimes I wonder if some of you people have half a brain.

Although I don't hold out much hope of ASU making it into the alliance, it won't be because the folks at ECU are against it. The Mountaineers bring a lot more to the table for ECU and Marshall than most others being mentioned and the administration in Greenville knows it. A good friend is a long time member of the Pirate Club and during a recent meeting Terry Holland was asked why ECU was playing ASU again this year. Holland said over the past four years CUSA fans had bought a GRAND TOTAL of around 600 football tickets. He went on to say ASU bought over 7500 for the '09 game and "would have bought a lot more if we would have let them." That is why the ECU administration has been positive towards ASU.

Those claiming the comments are simply "politically correct" statements about a sister institution can keep your head buried in the sand and ignore the truth if you like. I suppose some people just can't face the possibility of ASU at the same level as the Pirates. I've been a big supporter of ECU from the day they left the SmallCon and wish ASU would have followed them out the door. Unfortunately for ASU it took 30 years to find our Leo Jenkins, but we have him now. Since WF will no longer play us the ECU game will be huge for our fans. Considering the '09 game was a sellout it must have been a pretty big game for the Pirate fans as well.

Given ECU's history of frustration with the other unc system schools I am somewhat surprised Pirate fans aren't more supportive of ASU. We had a really good thing going in the 70's and in many ways it was the game of the year in NC. To say ODU is a better fit because they are in another state and won't affect recruiting is ridiculous. Especially when you consider ASU is twice as far from ECU's campus as ODU.

As an Appalachian fan, I will say that I agree with what many have said in that our most likely door to enter the FBS is via the Sun Belt or Sun Belt/WAC merger depending on how that shakes out. We certainly have our fans that would prefer to stay FCS over the Sun Belt but our administration, fortunately, is much more rooted in reality than some of our fans. After conducting a feasibility study and recommending a move up, I think it would be very unlikely for ASU to turn down any FBS offer unless the geography would make travel too expensive to justify it.

Would our fans and administration prefer the C-USA/MWC over the Sun Belt? Of course. Any school would but if an offer does not come (and it likely will not), we have gone too far in making our intentions known to spurn an FBS offer in hopes of a better conference affiliation. Joining an FBS conference would get our foot in the door, allow us to prove ourselves at that level and open up future opportunities.

The conversation about this article seems to be blown a bit out of proportion. It really says nothing other than that the merger MAY create an opportunity for us, which is true. The ECU president says they would like to consider us down the road, which is also true. Does that mean we can't go to another FBS conference in the meantime? Of course not, that would only help our chances of getting in. One way or another, I think ASU will be playing FBS football within the next 3 year or so and if we can win once we get there, the rest should take care of itself.

Would be a mistake to not include Appalachian State in the new C-USA / Mountain West Alliance (or Big Country as CBS Sports calls it). App State will be FBS soon, whether some people desire it or not. Saw earlier today on another board where they claim Appalachian's administration is talking to other FBS and FCS schools discussing forming a new conference in case they are not included. True, it might be voted down, but if as stated on this board you feel that the new conference will institute a rule requiring home and homes with BCS conferences, there may be a tremendous amount of support from the BCS conferences to approve a new conference.

Yesterday Appalachian said that the campaign, announced in October 2011, to raise $200,000,000 had reached $125,000,000 for football stadium additions and some other capital improvements. Designs show a third deck on the West side and additionally sixteen thousand new end zone seats. Have averaged almost 30,000 per game the last half a dozen years and certainly need extra stadium seats at Kidd Brewer Stadium since many games are at 140% capacity. Not included in this Appalachian had just finished a new seven story press box, club seats with 120,000 square feet East side football stadium complex in 9/2009 that was started in 2006 that costed somewhere between 50 and 64 million. The indoor practice facility was completed at about the same time independently with another private donation.

Do what you feel best, but App State should be included in the new Alliance conference to help build an even better conference. I have read on individual conference members other boards where some of you are afraid that App State might be a tough football win or hurt recruiting, but believe the benefit to your school would far out weigh any concerns, and I have not seen any school that has the same recruiting footprint.

I've pretty much soured on Appalachian State since I saw that cheesy "Hot, Hot, Hot" video.

"Cobb said he is waiting to see the outcome of conversations about Division I governance structure, which he said could 'define a status for Division I programs that are not members of the Bowl Championship Series.'"


What does that mean? There's going to be some formal category for "mid majors"? If there is, I don't think USM should be forced into it. Also, if we're going to make some new division, there ought to be a defined process for moving up based on NCAA consent (not conference consent).

WTF does this clown from Appalachian State know about that anyway?

(02-17-2012 07:53 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Would be a mistake to not include Appalachian State in the new C-USA / Mountain West Alliance (or Big Country as CBS Sports calls it). App State will be FBS soon, whether some people desire it or not. Saw earlier today on another board where they claim Appalachian's administration is talking to other FBS and FCS schools discussing forming a new conference in case they are not included. True, it might be voted down, but if as stated on this board you feel that the new conference will institute a rule requiring home and homes with BCS conferences, there may be a tremendous amount of support from the BCS conferences to approve a new conference.

Yesterday Appalachian said that the campaign, announced in October 2011, to raise $200,000,000 had reached $125,000,000 for football stadium additions and some other capital improvements. Designs show a third deck on the West side and additionally sixteen thousand new end zone seats. Have averaged almost 30,000 per game the last half a dozen years and certainly need extra stadium seats at Kidd Brewer Stadium since many games are at 140% capacity. Not included in this Appalachian had just finished a new seven story press box, club seats with 120,000 square feet East side football stadium complex in 9/2009 that was started in 2006 that costed somewhere between 50 and 64 million. The indoor practice facility was completed at about the same time independently with another private donation.

Do what you feel best, but App State should be included in the new Alliance conference to help build an even better conference. I have read on individual conference members other boards where some of you are afraid that App State might be a tough football win or hurt recruiting, but believe the benefit to your school would far out weigh any concerns, and I have not seen any school that has the same recruiting footprint.

You have $125,000,000 for football stadium additions? Puhlease. Boone Pickens only helped Ok State build/improve theirs for $160 mil. You could build the Taj of all Taj Mahals for that in Boone. I call BS.

(02-17-2012 07:59 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I've pretty much soured on Appalachian State since I saw that cheesy "Hot, Hot, Hot" video.

"Cobb said he is waiting to see the outcome of conversations about Division I governance structure, which he said could 'define a status for Division I programs that are not members of the Bowl Championship Series.'"


What does that mean? There's going to be some formal category for "mid majors"? If there is, I don't think USM should be forced into it. Also, if we're going to make some new division, there ought to be a defined process for moving up based on NCAA consent (not conference consent).

WTF does this clown from Appalachian State know about that anyway?

Cobb is a Moo U grad and I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says. App needs to go FBS at the Sunbelt level where they'd be a fine addition and once they make some bones at this level then we could consider them for the alliance. They certainly have not gone out of their way to help ECU over the years while we were building a FBS program. They didn't want to pay their dues like we did and now they think they can get fast tracked into the next level on the cheap. No can do.

(02-17-2012 08:05 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 07:53 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Would be a mistake to not include Appalachian State in the new C-USA / Mountain West Alliance (or Big Country as CBS Sports calls it). App State will be FBS soon, whether some people desire it or not. Saw earlier today on another board where they claim Appalachian's administration is talking to other FBS and FCS schools discussing forming a new conference in case they are not included. True, it might be voted down, but if as stated on this board you feel that the new conference will institute a rule requiring home and homes with BCS conferences, there may be a tremendous amount of support from the BCS conferences to approve a new conference.

Yesterday Appalachian said that the campaign, announced in October 2011, to raise $200,000,000 had reached $125,000,000 for football stadium additions and some other capital improvements. Designs show a third deck on the West side and additionally sixteen thousand new end zone seats. Have averaged almost 30,000 per game the last half a dozen years and certainly need extra stadium seats at Kidd Brewer Stadium since many games are at 140% capacity. Not included in this Appalachian had just finished a new seven story press box, club seats with 120,000 square feet East side football stadium complex in 9/2009 that was started in 2006 that costed somewhere between 50 and 64 million. The indoor practice facility was completed at about the same time independently with another private donation.

Do what you feel best, but App State should be included in the new Alliance conference to help build an even better conference. I have read on individual conference members other boards where some of you are afraid that App State might be a tough football win or hurt recruiting, but believe the benefit to your school would far out weigh any concerns, and I have not seen any school that has the same recruiting footprint.

You have $125,000,000 for football stadium additions? Puhlease. Boone Pickens only helped Ok State build/improve theirs for $160 mil. You could build the Taj of all Taj Mahals for that in Boone. I call BS.

Check it out yourself if you don't believe it. There was a huge picture of the third deck on the West side and the additional large end zone additions at the last few football games. There are other capital improvements included besides football stadium additions.

(02-17-2012 08:09 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 07:59 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I've pretty much soured on Appalachian State since I saw that cheesy "Hot, Hot, Hot" video.

"Cobb said he is waiting to see the outcome of conversations about Division I governance structure, which he said could 'define a status for Division I programs that are not members of the Bowl Championship Series.'"


What does that mean? There's going to be some formal category for "mid majors"? If there is, I don't think USM should be forced into it. Also, if we're going to make some new division, there ought to be a defined process for moving up based on NCAA consent (not conference consent).

WTF does this clown from Appalachian State know about that anyway?

Cobb is a Moo U grad and I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says. App needs to go FBS at the Sunbelt level where they'd be a fine addition and once they make some bones at this level then we could consider them for the alliance. They certainly have not gone out of their way to help ECU over the years while we were building a FBS program. They didn't want to pay their dues like we did and now they think they can get fast tracked into the next level on the cheap. No can do.

You really do not know your history of how much Appalachian helped ECU over the years. Go back and read what Dr. Jenkins and others said about how much App State helped you out and that you would not have even made it to FBS without our help, and how they would alway be eternally grateful, and always be there for App State.

(02-17-2012 08:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:09 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 07:59 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I've pretty much soured on Appalachian State since I saw that cheesy "Hot, Hot, Hot" video.

"Cobb said he is waiting to see the outcome of conversations about Division I governance structure, which he said could 'define a status for Division I programs that are not members of the Bowl Championship Series.'"


What does that mean? There's going to be some formal category for "mid majors"? If there is, I don't think USM should be forced into it. Also, if we're going to make some new division, there ought to be a defined process for moving up based on NCAA consent (not conference consent).

WTF does this clown from Appalachian State know about that anyway?

Cobb is a Moo U grad and I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says. App needs to go FBS at the Sunbelt level where they'd be a fine addition and once they make some bones at this level then we could consider them for the alliance. They certainly have not gone out of their way to help ECU over the years while we were building a FBS program. They didn't want to pay their dues like we did and now they think they can get fast tracked into the next level on the cheap. No can do.

You really do not know your history of how much Appalachian helped ECU over the years. Go back and read what Dr. Jenkins and others said about how much App State helped you out and that you would not have even made it to FBS without our help, and how they would alway be eternally grateful, and always be there for App State.

I was there when Dr. Jenkins was our pres/chancellor and I also remember the split of D1 when originally you all pronounced you would go 1A and then withdrew that quest. I'm not saying you opposed us going that route, but if we had gone together then the rivalry could be the top one in North Carolina by now, but for some reason y'all got cold feet.

I don't know what it is that Dr. Jenkins says we owe you for, but I've read darn near every recorded utterance from the man and don't recall any of what you describe. I have deep family ties to App, but if you want in FBS you have to do it and prove you can handle it. We can't fast track you to what is the tier just below the BCS auto bid conferences based on the current status you have. IF you went to the Sunbelt or a new FBS conference I'd certainly support a regular series home and home with App. That's not the same as going right into a conference with us.

(02-17-2012 08:11 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:05 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 07:53 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Would be a mistake to not include Appalachian State in the new C-USA / Mountain West Alliance (or Big Country as CBS Sports calls it). App State will be FBS soon, whether some people desire it or not. Saw earlier today on another board where they claim Appalachian's administration is talking to other FBS and FCS schools discussing forming a new conference in case they are not included. True, it might be voted down, but if as stated on this board you feel that the new conference will institute a rule requiring home and homes with BCS conferences, there may be a tremendous amount of support from the BCS conferences to approve a new conference.

Yesterday Appalachian said that the campaign, announced in October 2011, to raise $200,000,000 had reached $125,000,000 for football stadium additions and some other capital improvements. Designs show a third deck on the West side and additionally sixteen thousand new end zone seats. Have averaged almost 30,000 per game the last half a dozen years and certainly need extra stadium seats at Kidd Brewer Stadium since many games are at 140% capacity. Not included in this Appalachian had just finished a new seven story press box, club seats with 120,000 square feet East side football stadium complex in 9/2009 that was started in 2006 that costed somewhere between 50 and 64 million. The indoor practice facility was completed at about the same time independently with another private donation.

Do what you feel best, but App State should be included in the new Alliance conference to help build an even better conference. I have read on individual conference members other boards where some of you are afraid that App State might be a tough football win or hurt recruiting, but believe the benefit to your school would far out weigh any concerns, and I have not seen any school that has the same recruiting footprint.

You have $125,000,000 for football stadium additions? Puhlease. Boone Pickens only helped Ok State build/improve theirs for $160 mil. You could build the Taj of all Taj Mahals for that in Boone. I call BS.

Check it out yourself if you don't believe it. There was a huge picture of the third deck on the West side and the additional large end zone additions at the last few football games. There are other capital improvements included besides football stadium additions.

Close. Try 25 million for athletic facilities.

http://campaign.appstate.edu/goals

(02-17-2012 08:41 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:11 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:05 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 07:53 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Would be a mistake to not include Appalachian State in the new C-USA / Mountain West Alliance (or Big Country as CBS Sports calls it). App State will be FBS soon, whether some people desire it or not. Saw earlier today on another board where they claim Appalachian's administration is talking to other FBS and FCS schools discussing forming a new conference in case they are not included. True, it might be voted down, but if as stated on this board you feel that the new conference will institute a rule requiring home and homes with BCS conferences, there may be a tremendous amount of support from the BCS conferences to approve a new conference.

Yesterday Appalachian said that the campaign, announced in October 2011, to raise $200,000,000 had reached $125,000,000 for football stadium additions and some other capital improvements. Designs show a third deck on the West side and additionally sixteen thousand new end zone seats. Have averaged almost 30,000 per game the last half a dozen years and certainly need extra stadium seats at Kidd Brewer Stadium since many games are at 140% capacity. Not included in this Appalachian had just finished a new seven story press box, club seats with 120,000 square feet East side football stadium complex in 9/2009 that was started in 2006 that costed somewhere between 50 and 64 million. The indoor practice facility was completed at about the same time independently with another private donation.

Do what you feel best, but App State should be included in the new Alliance conference to help build an even better conference. I have read on individual conference members other boards where some of you are afraid that App State might be a tough football win or hurt recruiting, but believe the benefit to your school would far out weigh any concerns, and I have not seen any school that has the same recruiting footprint.

You have $125,000,000 for football stadium additions? Puhlease. Boone Pickens only helped Ok State build/improve theirs for $160 mil. You could build the Taj of all Taj Mahals for that in Boone. I call BS.

Check it out yourself if you don't believe it. There was a huge picture of the third deck on the West side and the additional large end zone additions at the last few football games. There are other capital improvements included besides football stadium additions.

Close. Try 25 million for athletic facilities.

http://campaign.appstate.edu/goals

Of the 200 million 25 million has been assigned to athletic facilities already. Good. Have to start with some money assigned. Plus the end zone seating is going to be supported by those five additional dorms so that would be showing as academic or other facilities.

why was this moved to smack?

(02-17-2012 07:53 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Would be a mistake to not include Appalachian State in the new C-USA / Mountain West Alliance (or Big Country as CBS Sports calls it). App State will be FBS soon, whether some people desire it or not. Saw earlier today on another board where they claim Appalachian's administration is talking to other FBS and FCS schools discussing forming a new conference in case they are not included. True, it might be voted down, but if as stated on this board you feel that the new conference will institute a rule requiring home and homes with BCS conferences, there may be a tremendous amount of support from the BCS conferences to approve a new conference.

Yesterday Appalachian said that the campaign, announced in October 2011, to raise $200,000,000 had reached $125,000,000 for football stadium additions and some other capital improvements. Designs show a third deck on the West side and additionally sixteen thousand new end zone seats. Have averaged almost 30,000 per game the last half a dozen years and certainly need extra stadium seats at Kidd Brewer Stadium since many games are at 140% capacity. Not included in this Appalachian had just finished a new seven story press box, club seats with 120,000 square feet East side football stadium complex in 9/2009 that was started in 2006 that costed somewhere between 50 and 64 million. The indoor practice facility was completed at about the same time independently with another private donation.

Do what you feel best, but App State should be included in the new Alliance conference to help build an even better conference. I have read on individual conference members other boards where some of you are afraid that App State might be a tough football win or hurt recruiting, but believe the benefit to your school would far out weigh any concerns, and I have not seen any school that has the same recruiting footprint.

A mistake? You think it would be a mistake to not include App State in this new conference? Are you kidding? Wow......you guys sure have some delusional thoughts. I'm sure the new conference will be just fine without "App State".........

You guys aren't even being mentioned in mainstream. ESPN said sources tell them that the only FCS school being considered are UMass, Old Dominion, Charlotte and UTSA.

(02-17-2012 09:18 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:41 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:11 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 08:05 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 07:53 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Would be a mistake to not include Appalachian State in the new C-USA / Mountain West Alliance (or Big Country as CBS Sports calls it). App State will be FBS soon, whether some people desire it or not. Saw earlier today on another board where they claim Appalachian's administration is talking to other FBS and FCS schools discussing forming a new conference in case they are not included. True, it might be voted down, but if as stated on this board you feel that the new conference will institute a rule requiring home and homes with BCS conferences, there may be a tremendous amount of support from the BCS conferences to approve a new conference.

Yesterday Appalachian said that the campaign, announced in October 2011, to raise $200,000,000 had reached $125,000,000 for football stadium additions and some other capital improvements. Designs show a third deck on the West side and additionally sixteen thousand new end zone seats. Have averaged almost 30,000 per game the last half a dozen years and certainly need extra stadium seats at Kidd Brewer Stadium since many games are at 140% capacity. Not included in this Appalachian had just finished a new seven story press box, club seats with 120,000 square feet East side football stadium complex in 9/2009 that was started in 2006 that costed somewhere between 50 and 64 million. The indoor practice facility was completed at about the same time independently with another private donation.

Do what you feel best, but App State should be included in the new Alliance conference to help build an even better conference. I have read on individual conference members other boards where some of you are afraid that App State might be a tough football win or hurt recruiting, but believe the benefit to your school would far out weigh any concerns, and I have not seen any school that has the same recruiting footprint.

You have $125,000,000 for football stadium additions? Puhlease. Boone Pickens only helped Ok State build/improve theirs for $160 mil. You could build the Taj of all Taj Mahals for that in Boone. I call BS.

Check it out yourself if you don't believe it. There was a huge picture of the third deck on the West side and the additional large end zone additions at the last few football games. There are other capital improvements included besides football stadium additions.

Close. Try 25 million for athletic facilities.

http://campaign.appstate.edu/goals

Of the 200 million 25 million has been assigned to athletic facilities already. Good. Have to start with some money assigned. Plus the end zone seating is going to be supported by those five additional dorms so that would be showing as academic or other facilities.

The 200 million is a University wide capilital campaign, you said that AppSt. had 125,000,000 for stadium improvements of 200,000,000. When it is 25 million for the entire Atheletics department, not 25 million or 125,000,000 for your football stadium.

Put on your glasses and look at what you are referencing. "....and some other capital improvements." What part of that do you not understand?
The state does not give money to ECU or App State to do dorms either. Go back and look at the stadium improvements. See the five dorms with a huge end zone included. That is not under athletic facility improvements. There are also quotes, if you look for them that says that stadium improvements will probably amount to at least 1/3 of the 200 million, but that the end zone seating is not included in that 1/3. That is still $66,000,000 for additional improvements plus in addition the end zone addition with the dorms.

(02-17-2012 07:53 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Would be a mistake to not include Appalachian State in the new C-USA / Mountain West Alliance (or Big Country as CBS Sports calls it). App State will be FBS soon, whether some people desire it or not.

Im sure:

ECU
UAB
Tulsa
Tulane
Marshall
USM
Rice
UTEP
Air Force
Fresno State
New Mexico
UNLV
Nevada
Hawaii
Colorado State
Wyoming

will be just fine without Appy and the big Boone NC market that it brings. Some of you Appy fans have more than delusional issues. This conference does not or will not need Appy.