If u google, ny2lasports.com-updated 2012 wisconsin and click on top 25 u will see where sam mader and darrell bowie rank. They r two of our 2012 bball recruits.

Sounds like more help on the boards is coming---NIU already outrebounds most teams and these two have offensive skills to boot....Save y'all the time of cutting and pasting and googling (these are state of Wisconsin Rankings):

#4 - Sam Mader - Appleton East - 6-8 - F
Arguably the longest and perhaps eventually the tallest talent on the board in the 2012 class, Mader is really just scratching the surface of his potential right now. Excellent size, excellent length, solid instincts, etc. Has a great feel for attacking the glass and collecting rebounds and has a raw but versatile offensive package that includes the ability to knock down the trey ball. Drips with upside and potential and with hard work he's got a chance to become a special talent on a number of levels. Ball handling, skill package, consistency of perimeter stroke, strength, and lower half explosion both laterally and vertically need to continue to develop.

#7 - Darrell Bowie - Wauwatosa East - 6-6 - F
One of the fast rising talents on the board in the 2012 class, Bowie has excellent length and is an exceptional rebounding talent on both ends of the floor. Finishes well in transition and can finish around the basket as well. Consistently scores in double figures and grabs double figure rebounds. A bit of a tweener right now if he is looked at as a 4-man, Bowie needs to continue to develop his handle, improve his perimeter stroke mechanics and consistency, and continue to improve his post footwork and ability to play with his back to the basket to reach his potential.

I would say chazb is way off when he says niu can only get d2 players. It will take time but monty will get talented players to come here! I also have no doubt they will develop well under montgomery!

I have no doubt that the program is in good hands. One problem when you lose this many games is making sure that the current/younger players on the team continue to buy in and stay with the program. If they do, we will get incrementally better under Monty and we will be competing for MAC championships withing a couple of seasons. It should be fun to watch it all come together. This program and this coach deserve our support.

(02-14-2012 01:25 AM)niutwo two Wrote:  I would say chazb is way off when he says niu can only get d2 players. It will take time but monty will get talented players to come here! I also have no doubt they will develop well under montgomery!

Chaz is way off thinking that even Patton got D2 players, let alone MM. He would be correct if he said that Patton didn't develop them into the players they could have been, but he recruited some decent enough talent to NIU.

(02-14-2012 08:35 AM)High On NIU Hoops Wrote:  

(02-14-2012 01:25 AM)niutwo two Wrote:  I would say chazb is way off when he says niu can only get d2 players. It will take time but monty will get talented players to come here! I also have no doubt they will develop well under montgomery!

Chaz is way off thinking that even Patton got D2 players, let alone MM. He would be correct if he said that Patton didn't develop them into the players they could have been, but he recruited some decent enough talent to NIU.

UIC and Loyola are experiencing similar problems as us, but our former guy really put us in the hole. If MM can't turn this around, I would suggest then that it is an impossible task.

(02-14-2012 07:12 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  I have no doubt that the program is in good hands. One problem when you lose this many games is making sure that the current/younger players on the team continue to buy in and stay with the program. If they do, we will get incrementally better under Monty and we will be competing for MAC championships withing a couple of seasons. It should be fun to watch it all come together. This program and this coach deserve our support.

I would agree. I'd even say that the players in previous year's (most of them) deserved our support even if the coach did things to make it hard to support him.
I would also say that supporting these guys now would help the coaches to keep the players buying into their program and staying with the program. If players see that fans can recognize what is going on despite the losses, they are more likely not only to be content at NIU but to want to work to keep climbing. I don't expect 3000 people to show up at the last two home games (heck, sadly, probably not even combined....) But for those that do show up to be supportive and find a way to let the players know their efforts are appreciated and to hang in there could go a long ways.

Tomorrow vs. Western Michigan
Wed. Feb. 29th vs. Toledo (can't find anything to support it but I assume Sr. Night)

I am going to commit right now to doing whatever I can to make it tomorrow and for sure on the 29th. Screw the weeknight/work early excuse. I can do it if I can get done with everything early enough tomorrow and should be back home before Midnight each of those nights. My little effort by itself may not do much, but at least I'm going to try to do my part to help MM and this program in this little way.

(02-14-2012 12:37 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  Sounds like more help on the boards is coming---NIU already outrebounds most teams and these two have offensive skills to boot....Save y'all the time of cutting and pasting and googling (these are state of Wisconsin Rankings):

#4 - Sam Mader - Appleton East - 6-8 - F
Arguably the longest and perhaps eventually the tallest talent on the board in the 2012 class, Mader is really just scratching the surface of his potential right now. Excellent size, excellent length, solid instincts, etc. Has a great feel for attacking the glass and collecting rebounds and has a raw but versatile offensive package that includes the ability to knock down the trey ball. Drips with upside and potential and with hard work he's got a chance to become a special talent on a number of levels. Ball handling, skill package, consistency of perimeter stroke, strength, and lower half explosion both laterally and vertically need to continue to develop.

#7 - Darrell Bowie - Wauwatosa East - 6-6 - F
One of the fast rising talents on the board in the 2012 class, Bowie has excellent length and is an exceptional rebounding talent on both ends of the floor. Finishes well in transition and can finish around the basket as well. Consistently scores in double figures and grabs double figure rebounds. A bit of a tweener right now if he is looked at as a 4-man, Bowie needs to continue to develop his handle, improve his perimeter stroke mechanics and consistency, and continue to improve his post footwork and ability to play with his back to the basket to reach his potential.

Nice stuff but all of this is old pre-season info.

Radio had an update on our recruits several games ago-can't remember which game. From what I can recall, Mader was avg maybe 13-14 points and 7 reb a game. Davis, the Ohio kid, was avg 15 points and Bowie wasn't even playing. Seperated shoulder after a handful of games and done for the year. Also, he's in a prep school in Cal, not in Wisconsin. Don't recall anything about the kid Balls.

You guys need to get with it - thought your info was up to date.

(02-14-2012 11:35 AM)sportsfan Wrote:  

(02-14-2012 12:37 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  Sounds like more help on the boards is coming---NIU already outrebounds most teams and these two have offensive skills to boot....Save y'all the time of cutting and pasting and googling (these are state of Wisconsin Rankings):

#4 - Sam Mader - Appleton East - 6-8 - F
Arguably the longest and perhaps eventually the tallest talent on the board in the 2012 class, Mader is really just scratching the surface of his potential right now. Excellent size, excellent length, solid instincts, etc. Has a great feel for attacking the glass and collecting rebounds and has a raw but versatile offensive package that includes the ability to knock down the trey ball. Drips with upside and potential and with hard work he's got a chance to become a special talent on a number of levels. Ball handling, skill package, consistency of perimeter stroke, strength, and lower half explosion both laterally and vertically need to continue to develop.

#7 - Darrell Bowie - Wauwatosa East - 6-6 - F
One of the fast rising talents on the board in the 2012 class, Bowie has excellent length and is an exceptional rebounding talent on both ends of the floor. Finishes well in transition and can finish around the basket as well. Consistently scores in double figures and grabs double figure rebounds. A bit of a tweener right now if he is looked at as a 4-man, Bowie needs to continue to develop his handle, improve his perimeter stroke mechanics and consistency, and continue to improve his post footwork and ability to play with his back to the basket to reach his potential.

Nice stuff but all of this is old pre-season info.

Radio had an update on our recruits several games ago-can't remember which game. From what I can recall, Mader was avg maybe 13-14 points and 7 reb a game. Davis, the Ohio kid, was avg 15 points and Bowie wasn't even playing. Seperated shoulder after a handful of games and done for the year. Also, he's in a prep school in Cal, not in Wisconsin. Don't recall anything about the kid Balls.

You guys need to get with it - thought your info was up to date.

cagy was providing information. It is not a crime. If you have better information then just provide it instead of acting like a whiny little B****. You really come off as a major arsehole on here, not sure if you are really that much of a horse's rear in real life, but in case you are not aware, you come off like one. Not everyone relies on Bill Baker for the most updated information, maybe Cagy's information is better than Bill Baker.

(02-14-2012 11:42 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-14-2012 11:35 AM)sportsfan Wrote:  

(02-14-2012 12:37 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  Sounds like more help on the boards is coming---NIU already outrebounds most teams and these two have offensive skills to boot....Save y'all the time of cutting and pasting and googling (these are state of Wisconsin Rankings):

#4 - Sam Mader - Appleton East - 6-8 - F
Arguably the longest and perhaps eventually the tallest talent on the board in the 2012 class, Mader is really just scratching the surface of his potential right now. Excellent size, excellent length, solid instincts, etc. Has a great feel for attacking the glass and collecting rebounds and has a raw but versatile offensive package that includes the ability to knock down the trey ball. Drips with upside and potential and with hard work he's got a chance to become a special talent on a number of levels. Ball handling, skill package, consistency of perimeter stroke, strength, and lower half explosion both laterally and vertically need to continue to develop.

#7 - Darrell Bowie - Wauwatosa East - 6-6 - F
One of the fast rising talents on the board in the 2012 class, Bowie has excellent length and is an exceptional rebounding talent on both ends of the floor. Finishes well in transition and can finish around the basket as well. Consistently scores in double figures and grabs double figure rebounds. A bit of a tweener right now if he is looked at as a 4-man, Bowie needs to continue to develop his handle, improve his perimeter stroke mechanics and consistency, and continue to improve his post footwork and ability to play with his back to the basket to reach his potential.

Nice stuff but all of this is old pre-season info.

Radio had an update on our recruits several games ago-can't remember which game. From what I can recall, Mader was avg maybe 13-14 points and 7 reb a game. Davis, the Ohio kid, was avg 15 points and Bowie wasn't even playing. Seperated shoulder after a handful of games and done for the year. Also, he's in a prep school in Cal, not in Wisconsin. Don't recall anything about the kid Balls.

You guys need to get with it - thought your info was up to date.

cagy was providing information. It is not a crime. If you have better information then just provide it instead of acting like a whiny little B****. You really come off as a major arsehole on here, not sure if you are really that much of a horse's rear in real life, but in case you are not aware, you come off like one. Not everyone relies on Bill Baker for the most updated information, maybe Cagy's information is better than Bill Baker.

Bill Baker does.

(02-14-2012 11:44 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(02-14-2012 11:42 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-14-2012 11:35 AM)sportsfan Wrote:  

(02-14-2012 12:37 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  Sounds like more help on the boards is coming---NIU already outrebounds most teams and these two have offensive skills to boot....Save y'all the time of cutting and pasting and googling (these are state of Wisconsin Rankings):

#4 - Sam Mader - Appleton East - 6-8 - F
Arguably the longest and perhaps eventually the tallest talent on the board in the 2012 class, Mader is really just scratching the surface of his potential right now. Excellent size, excellent length, solid instincts, etc. Has a great feel for attacking the glass and collecting rebounds and has a raw but versatile offensive package that includes the ability to knock down the trey ball. Drips with upside and potential and with hard work he's got a chance to become a special talent on a number of levels. Ball handling, skill package, consistency of perimeter stroke, strength, and lower half explosion both laterally and vertically need to continue to develop.

#7 - Darrell Bowie - Wauwatosa East - 6-6 - F
One of the fast rising talents on the board in the 2012 class, Bowie has excellent length and is an exceptional rebounding talent on both ends of the floor. Finishes well in transition and can finish around the basket as well. Consistently scores in double figures and grabs double figure rebounds. A bit of a tweener right now if he is looked at as a 4-man, Bowie needs to continue to develop his handle, improve his perimeter stroke mechanics and consistency, and continue to improve his post footwork and ability to play with his back to the basket to reach his potential.

Nice stuff but all of this is old pre-season info.

Radio had an update on our recruits several games ago-can't remember which game. From what I can recall, Mader was avg maybe 13-14 points and 7 reb a game. Davis, the Ohio kid, was avg 15 points and Bowie wasn't even playing. Seperated shoulder after a handful of games and done for the year. Also, he's in a prep school in Cal, not in Wisconsin. Don't recall anything about the kid Balls.

You guys need to get with it - thought your info was up to date.

cagy was providing information. It is not a crime. If you have better information then just provide it instead of acting like a whiny little B****. You really come off as a major arsehole on here, not sure if you are really that much of a horse's rear in real life, but in case you are not aware, you come off like one. Not everyone relies on Bill Baker for the most updated information, maybe Cagy's information is better than Bill Baker.

Bill Baker does.

Lets recap, who are all the recruits coming in hext season? Any accurate lists

Sportsfan, the point was to show that niu recruited decent d1 players. The point wasnt to show what are recruits are doing right now! When anything positive is said about bball others have to point to something negative. I am so sick and tired of this crap!

(02-14-2012 01:51 PM)niutwo two Wrote:  Sportsfan, the point was to show that niu recruited decent d1 players. The point wasnt to show what are recruits are doing right now! When anything positive is said about bball others have to point to something negative. I am so sick and tired of this crap!

+two two

Wow, two two and 77 have some article of clothing twisted into a knot.
No one was saying that they weren't D1 players or that their stats didn't measure up.
I simply pointed out that the bios appeared to be pre-season rankings and obviously somebody on the radio broadcast, I don't really know if it was Baker or the other guy, actually took the time to look up some numbers from this season. Frankly, I was surprised to hear that information and was sorry to hear that Bowie was hurt early on. Still, good stuff to know. And now, Cagy knows it too.
When I read the title of the thread, I thought it was something more recent.

Sportsfan, I apologize to you, I must have misread what you were saying. Others have said our team is a bunch of d2 players and that no good d1 guys would come here. I used to want the bball team to turn it around for the guys on the team and the school, but now I want it more just to shut people up and thats very sad!