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RE: C-USA & MWC dissolving to merge 2013: Affects new BE teams' buyouts?
If BE wants anyone else from this group they better speak up now because West division invites are among this group. Cost schools a lot more exit fees after new contracts are signed.
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(02-13-2012 10:34 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 10:19 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  No reason to knock the Alliance. It's making the best of a bad situation.

I agree and hope it works out as best it can for them

This exchange sounds exactly like what generous-hearted Big 12 and ACC fans are saying about the New Big East.
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RE: C-USA & MWC dissolving to merge 2013: Affects new BE teams' buyouts?
(02-13-2012 03:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.co...2/34822810

I don't KNOW anything yet, but I'm guessing the media rights buyout fee is kaput, b/c the two leagues are dissolving to void their current media contracts. Good for Memphis, since it's estimated to be (a negotiable) $6.1M.

This might also affect the conference buyout fees, but maybe that one is still enforceable? For Memphis, it's only $500K anyway, as a charter member of C-USA.

Interesting development for all the new BE teams except Navy.

For the 4 CUSA Teams...it was breaking of the conf new TV contract (started last fall) that was going to cost the most (i.e. approx $6 Million) and if that goes away...that would be a HUGE windfall for all 4 of those programs.

Odds are...I could see the CUSA/MWC end up being more of an alliance (i.e. some how, on paper, both conferences stay in-tact) that while it looks like 1 conference on the field or court...they remain two separate entities...which might be worth it alone to collect the $6 Million penalty each from UH, SMU, UCF and Memphis.
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RE: C-USA & MWC dissolving to merge 2013: Affects new BE teams' buyouts?
(02-13-2012 08:43 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 04:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 04:10 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 04:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 04:03 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  i think it's a great idea, there are at least 6 solid fb teams there, good for them.
Yeah, that too. McMurphy mentioned they might wind up with 18 to 24 teams. Right now they have 16 between the two leagues, so are they planning to add as many as 8 more? That would start to affect the other FBS conferences.

Guess realignment's not exactly done yet, lol.
It's 4,864 miles between ECU and Hawaii, further than it is between ECU and London, England. LOL! 05-stirthepot
They could always add a few miles to it (to put it mildly), and play the game in Hong Kong, to try to corner the Chinese market...
Calipari wanted to do this in CBB when he was at Memphis.
Basketball might have a chance. But China already has a favorite football team... 04-rock
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RE: C-USA & MWC dissolving to merge 2013: Affects new BE teams' buyouts?
(02-14-2012 08:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 03:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.co...2/34822810

I don't KNOW anything yet, but I'm guessing the media rights buyout fee is kaput, b/c the two leagues are dissolving to void their current media contracts. Good for Memphis, since it's estimated to be (a negotiable) $6.1M.

This might also affect the conference buyout fees, but maybe that one is still enforceable? For Memphis, it's only $500K anyway, as a charter member of C-USA.

Interesting development for all the new BE teams except Navy.

For the 4 CUSA Teams...it was breaking of the conf new TV contract (started last fall) that was going to cost the most (i.e. approx $6 Million) and if that goes away...that would be a HUGE windfall for all 4 of those programs.

Odds are...I could see the CUSA/MWC end up being more of an alliance (i.e. some how, on paper, both conferences stay in-tact) that while it looks like 1 conference on the field or court...they remain two separate entities...which might be worth it alone to collect the $6 Million penalty each from UH, SMU, UCF and Memphis.

CUSA and the MWC have stated that they will both dissolve and the 16 members will form a new 18-24 team conference.

What that means to the departing teams is that they will not be required to pay for a loss of value of the television contract, since it will dissolve as well.

Houston and Memphis are looking at a $500K exit fee as charter members of CUSA and nothing more. I'm not sure what SMU, UCF, BSU, or SDSU will have to pay.
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RE: C-USA & MWC dissolving to merge 2013: Affects new BE teams' buyouts?
(02-14-2012 08:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 03:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.co...2/34822810

I don't KNOW anything yet, but I'm guessing the media rights buyout fee is kaput, b/c the two leagues are dissolving to void their current media contracts. Good for Memphis, since it's estimated to be (a negotiable) $6.1M.

This might also affect the conference buyout fees, but maybe that one is still enforceable? For Memphis, it's only $500K anyway, as a charter member of C-USA.

Interesting development for all the new BE teams except Navy.

For the 4 CUSA Teams...it was breaking of the conf new TV contract (started last fall) that was going to cost the most (i.e. approx $6 Million) and if that goes away...that would be a HUGE windfall for all 4 of those programs.

Odds are...I could see the CUSA/MWC end up being more of an alliance (i.e. some how, on paper, both conferences stay in-tact) that while it looks like 1 conference on the field or court...they remain two separate entities...which might be worth it alone to collect the $6 Million penalty each from UH, SMU, UCF and Memphis.

Can't happen and still redo the tv deals. Basically sounds like it's goign to be an either/or situation.
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RE: C-USA & MWC dissolving to merge 2013: Affects new BE teams' buyouts?
(02-14-2012 09:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-14-2012 08:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 03:57 PM)TripleA Wrote:  http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.co...2/34822810

I don't KNOW anything yet, but I'm guessing the media rights buyout fee is kaput, b/c the two leagues are dissolving to void their current media contracts. Good for Memphis, since it's estimated to be (a negotiable) $6.1M.

This might also affect the conference buyout fees, but maybe that one is still enforceable? For Memphis, it's only $500K anyway, as a charter member of C-USA.

Interesting development for all the new BE teams except Navy.

For the 4 CUSA Teams...it was breaking of the conf new TV contract (started last fall) that was going to cost the most (i.e. approx $6 Million) and if that goes away...that would be a HUGE windfall for all 4 of those programs.

Odds are...I could see the CUSA/MWC end up being more of an alliance (i.e. some how, on paper, both conferences stay in-tact) that while it looks like 1 conference on the field or court...they remain two separate entities...which might be worth it alone to collect the $6 Million penalty each from UH, SMU, UCF and Memphis.

Can't happen and still redo the tv deals. Basically sounds like it's goign to be an either/or situation.
Right, MWC and C-USA originally planned to stay separate and do football only, but they couldn't get out of their existing TV contracts, so dissolving was their only solution. I'm sure they will still try to get media rights out of departing members, but that looks less likely. And they have already publicly announced plans to dissolve. Memphis' deadline date to sign up was next Monday.
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(02-14-2012 12:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The line is drawn between the haves and have nots, to some degree, between the BEast and the new conference (the line otherwise known as the BCS), and we crossed the river just before the drawbridge was pulled up.

Soon enough you'll find out that the SEC, B1G, and PAC have moved on to a new land of "haves". Well, actually they already live there, it's just that people who focus myopically on the small money - AQ status - miss that.
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Quo, would you please p!ss in your OWN cornflakes 03-lmfao
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(02-14-2012 12:51 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Quo, would you please p!ss in your OWN cornflakes 03-lmfao

... and all along that's what i THOUGHT i was doing. 03-lmfao
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AQ still has a couple of years left at least. It remains to be seen what happens when the current deal is up.
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(02-14-2012 12:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-14-2012 12:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The line is drawn between the haves and have nots, to some degree, between the BEast and the new conference (the line otherwise known as the BCS), and we crossed the river just before the drawbridge was pulled up.

Soon enough you'll find out that the SEC, B1G, and PAC have moved on to a new land of "haves". Well, actually they already live there, it's just that people who focus myopically on the small money - AQ status - miss that.
Good lord, man, do you think everybody else in the world is an idiot, and you have to show them the way?

Which part of "to some degree" in my previous post did you not understand?

Only an imbecile wouldn't understand that the SEC and Big 10 make a lot more money than everybody else, with the next 3 behind them, and the BE sixth, and then everybody else.

I have to say, you're highly entertaining to those who understand you're full of it. 03-lmfao
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(02-14-2012 01:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-14-2012 12:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-14-2012 12:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The line is drawn between the haves and have nots, to some degree, between the BEast and the new conference (the line otherwise known as the BCS), and we crossed the river just before the drawbridge was pulled up.

Soon enough you'll find out that the SEC, B1G, and PAC have moved on to a new land of "haves". Well, actually they already live there, it's just that people who focus myopically on the small money - AQ status - miss that.
Good lord, man, do you think everybody else in the world is an idiot, and you have to show them the way?

Which part of "to some degree" in my previous post did you not understand?

The part where you completely mitigated it by describing your school as having gotten across the drawbridge just before it was pulled up? 03-banghead
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I know this will come as a shock to you, but there is more than one drawbridge in this world. I was referring to the drawbridge that counts for us. I assumed you had enough sense to know the other stuff that even my 8-year-old grandson understands.

Buzz off.
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(02-14-2012 01:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I know this will come as a shock to you, but there is more than one drawbridge in this world. I was referring to the drawbridge that counts for us.

And that drawbridge is? Please post a response that proves you aren't someone's 8 year old granddaughter:
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(02-14-2012 01:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-14-2012 01:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I know this will come as a shock to you, but there is more than one drawbridge in this world. I was referring to the drawbridge that counts for us.

And that drawbridge is? Please post a response that proves you aren't someone's 8 year old granddaughter:

wow, you truly are a troll and a doofus. Andy is a grown ass man.
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(02-13-2012 05:58 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 05:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 05:53 PM)k5james Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 05:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This new merged conference is going to look an awful lot like the New Big East.

Not even close...

There's a smaller gap between the NBE and this new merged conference - in both fan support metrics and on-field performance - than between the NBE and the SEC.

Okay, prove that statement.

He can't in the real world...but keep in mind, in his alternate universe where he has the final say on brand, he can prove anything. I heard he's working on a new book called "Black is Actually White"....stay tuned.
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There are certain posters (or maybe just one, I don't know anymore) with whom you can only discuss one topic, that topic being that the Big East is not now nor will it ever be as good as the SEC or B1G. This means no discussion is actually possible, since it's simply a statement of fact. Nothing can be done about it, because, as I just said, the Big East is not now nor will it ever be as good as the SEC or B1G. And to continually state, day-in & day-out, that the Big East is not now nor will it ever be as good as the SEC or B1G gets a little bit tedious. So unless you really want to be told ad nauseum that the Big East is not now nor will it ever be as good as the SEC or B1G, I'm not sure why you're arguing with posters (or was it just one poster? I forget) who want you to know that the Big East is not now nor will it ever be as good as the SEC or B1G. Do yourself a favor, and quit trying to argue with them (or is it him?).
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Quo uses the same lame logic people in certain parts of Ohio use: UC will never be OSU in football.

the flaw is comparing an historic bball school/football johnny come lately to a football blueblood....the logic is, if UC can never be OSU in football, then why bother fielding a football team, why bother getting excited about your football team etc. etc. etc.

The argument fails to recognize the simple fact that, though UC may never be OSU in football, UC can be ranked, pull in great recruits, go to BCS bowl games, have big nationally televised games on ABC in front of sold out crowds (see #4 UC @ #14 Pitt 2009 for BE title on the line) etc etc etc.


In Quo world the BE will never be the SEC therefore, why bother. Reality time: we may never be the SEC...(neither will the ACC, Pac12, or Big 12) but we can still be a great conference with ranked teams, nice college atmosphere etc. And I think we can compete for a national title...in 2009 UC was a missed fieldgoal away from going to the title game...
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Using the same logic, quo will never be a great poster. Therefore, she should stop posting.
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