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Cincinnati Bearcats look to get well at home
Cincinnati Bearcats look to get well at home
Team welcomes Providence, Seton Hall and Louisville in next three games

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Justin Jackson provided one of few bright spots for the Bearcats on Saturday, scoring 10 points off the bench.

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The University of Cincinnati Bearcats have made a lot of strides during the past few years as Mick Cronin and his staff have put the program back on solid footing, but apparently there are still lessons to be learned on the road to consistent success. Dealing with the fact that they now command the respect of their opponents is one of them.

“Even though we were really good last year, people didn’t respect us,” Cronin said. “I watch the way other teams are preparing for us. You can tell what other teams think. They know they’ve got to play really well to beat you. I don’t think our guys understand that. That’s absolutely a hump you have to get over and it’s nipped us at times. We want everything to be easy at times. We try to be too cool.”

For the first four-plus minutes of Saturday’s game 95-78 loss at Marquette, things were extremely cool and easy for UC, which jumped out to a 16-4 lead. But when the Golden Eagles turned up the heat, the UC players wilted. That’s a disturbing development for a team that doesn’t have the rebuilding excuse or a lack of experience to fall back on anymore.

Even Marquette coach Buzz Williams acknowledged after the game that UC has “10 high-major players.”

That’s precisely why Cronin was so disappointed by his team’s performance.
“I know what my guys are capable of,” Cronin said. “There’s a reason I get upset when Dion Dixon has no rebounds and Cashmere Wright has four turnovers because I know that Dion Dixon is the best athlete on our team. You’ve got to be able to battle every night, man. We weren’t ready to give that type of effort.”

Even during the darkest days of Cronin’s rebuilding project, the Bearcats rarely surrendered 95 points.

In fact, before they were scorched by Marquette, it had happened only once before during the six-year Cronin coaching era. That was on March 9, 2008, when they were badly outmanned and beaten on the road at Connecticut, 96-51. You have to go back to the double-overtime 105-101 loss to UCLA in the second round of the 2002 NCAA Tournament to find another UC team that allowed 95 points.

As play began Saturday, the Bearcats were ranked seventh in the Big East in scoring defense in conference games, allowing 63.8 points per game. But that defense was easy pickings for Marquette’s running, opportunistic offense.

“I don’t know how many plays they had to run,” Cronin said. “I think they might have set a record. They might have scored 95 points without running one play.”

For the record, according to Williams, it wasn’t quite that easy. The Marquette coach estimated that the Golden Eagles ran at least three plays. The rest of the time they were freewheeling up and down the court, shooting layups with an occasional 3-pointer mixed in. UC was at a loss to find a way to slow them down.

At 17-8 overall, 7-5 in the Big East, the Bearcats are clearly on the NCAA Tournament bubble. Beginning Wednesday they face a stretch of three straight home games against Providence, Seton Hall and No. 24 Louisville. They get another shot at Marquette at home on Feb. 29 and also have games on the road at South Florida and Villanova before heading to the conference tournament.

“It’s the Big East,” Wright said after Saturday’s game, searching for consolation. “You get another chance at it.”

But even the Big East doesn’t offer unlimited chances. If the Bearcats are as good as Cronin believes they are the time is at hand for them to prove it.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120...RONTPAGE|s
 
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How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?
 
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(02-12-2012 09:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?

It says Mick Cronin has put the program back on solid footing. I feel like people are just reaching for reasons to be ticked off at something.
 
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(02-12-2012 10:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 09:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?

It says Mick Cronin has put the program back on solid footing. I feel like people are just reaching for reasons to be ticked off at something.

yeah well...losing 4 of 5 isn't "mick putting the program on solid footing" if it is, please explain to me how
 
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(02-12-2012 11:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 10:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 09:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?

It says Mick Cronin has put the program back on solid footing. I feel like people are just reaching for reasons to be ticked off at something.

yeah well...losing 4 of 5 isn't "mick putting the program on solid footing" if it is, please explain to me how

Look at the context of that sentence: It says "The University of Cincinnati Bearcats have made a lot of strides during the past few years as Mick Cronin and his staff have put the program back on solid footing, but apparently there are still lessons to be learned on the road to consistent success."

If you don't understand that I am sorry.
 
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(02-12-2012 09:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?

3 of 5...we beat St John's too
 
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I only got to see the first half of the game. I would have never thought Justin Jackson provided one of the few bright spots, as the caption suggested. He was unbelievably bad in the first half.
 
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(02-13-2012 12:14 AM)Overrated Wrote:  I only got to see the first half of the game. I would have never thought Justin Jackson provided one of the few bright spots, as the caption suggested. He was unbelievably bad in the first half.

That's probably one more half than Koch saw. He just reads the stat sheet 03-wink
 
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(02-12-2012 11:21 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 11:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 10:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 09:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?

It says Mick Cronin has put the program back on solid footing. I feel like people are just reaching for reasons to be ticked off at something.

yeah well...losing 4 of 5 isn't "mick putting the program on solid footing" if it is, please explain to me how

Look at the context of that sentence: It says "The University of Cincinnati Bearcats have made a lot of strides during the past few years as Mick Cronin and his staff have put the program back on solid footing, but apparently there are still lessons to be learned on the road to consistent success."

If you don't understand that I am sorry.
 
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(02-12-2012 11:21 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 11:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 10:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 09:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?

It says Mick Cronin has put the program back on solid footing. I feel like people are just reaching for reasons to be ticked off at something.

yeah well...losing 4 of 5 isn't "mick putting the program on solid footing" if it is, please explain to me how

Look at the context of that sentence: It says "The University of Cincinnati Bearcats have made a lot of strides during the past few years as Mick Cronin and his staff have put the program back on solid footing, but apparently there are still lessons to be learned on the road to consistent success."

If you don't understand that I am sorry.

How many freaking lessons do they need? Presbeterian, Marshall, St. John's, Rutgers..........and now Marquette.
 
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(02-12-2012 11:21 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 11:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 10:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 09:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?

It says Mick Cronin has put the program back on solid footing. I feel like people are just reaching for reasons to be ticked off at something.

yeah well...losing 4 of 5 isn't "mick putting the program on solid footing" if it is, please explain to me how

Look at the context of that sentence: It says "The University of Cincinnati Bearcats have made a lot of strides during the past few years as Mick Cronin and his staff have put the program back on solid footing, but apparently there are still lessons to be learned on the road to consistent success."

If you don't understand that I am sorry.

yes you are correct...I was taking a much more myopic view and thus taking it out of context....i apologize


however, being that as it may...I'm not trying to find something to be mad about...losing to RU gives one all the reason they need. And I will say it again, losing like we did to Marquette when the season is on the line is not good enough.
 
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I think the fans are going to have come to accept that this is as good as it gets. From year to year this team will be on the bubble all the time with Mick continuing to schedule a lousy OOC schedule. And we will be biting our fingernails every season in February wondering if the team can beat this team or that team or projecting that they have to win 3 of 5 or 4 of 6 to get in. All because of a poor rpi. I don't see Mick's teams ever finishing in the top 4. He just isn't getting those kind of recruits. Nor do I see Mick being able to coach them to overachievement. I think he is an average coach, with average recruiting, that comes cheap for UC, but will tow the line, graduate his players, and stick within a cheap budget when scheduling. Which ultimately hurts the team's chances of an NCAA bid come March.

If you're looking for more, I think you will be disappointed.

Edit: Mick does get bonus points for taking on a decimated program, and suffering through a painful rebuilding process. But I sometimes wonder how long he gets credit for doing that if he only goes to the tournament once every 5 years?
 
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(02-12-2012 11:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 10:54 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(02-12-2012 09:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How are we "back on solid footing"? We've lost 4 of last 5 with lone win vs Depaul?!?!?!?

It says Mick Cronin has put the program back on solid footing. I feel like people are just reaching for reasons to be ticked off at something.

yeah well...losing 4 of 5 isn't "mick putting the program on solid footing" if it is, please explain to me how
03-lmfao Awesome!
 
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LOL, I guess that win @ St. John's doesn't count either! Chill out boys. The Lakers would have had trouble with Marquette two days ago.
 
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Amazing what one season did to people's expectations. If you don't think Mick has done a great job by now, there's no hope for you.
 
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What year of the rebuilding process were our seniors recruited? Right...year two.

How attractive was it to come to UC to play basketball four years ago? Again right...not very appealing to an 18 year old.

Our recruting classes have gotten progressively better over the last 5 years. They will have an accumulitive affect. You are seeing that. Our freshmen this year are much better than our freshmen 4, 5 and 6 years ago.
 
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UC wouldn't be on the bubble if the non-conference schedule was a lot stronger and smarter We would be looking at two or three more wins in the conference and the bid would be locked up. UC could have lost to the same exact teams but instead of playing schools that are going to win 10 or less game they should have played a few mid-majors that would win 13-18 games.

The progra is back, there is good chance this is going to be the second year in year a row with a winning Big East record and 20 wins. A bid to the NCAA or NIT looks likely. What I am looking for in the future is a smarter program when it comes to scheduling, ticket sales, and involving the students and fans early in the process.
 
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(02-13-2012 09:03 AM)BearcatOtto Wrote:  What year of the rebuilding process were our seniors recruited? Right...year two.

How attractive was it to come to UC to play basketball four years ago? Again right...not very appealing to an 18 year old.

Our recruting classes have gotten progressively better over the last 5 years. They will have an accumulitive affect. You are seeing that. Our freshmen this year are much better than our freshmen 4, 5 and 6 years ago.

If this were true I'd be very comfortable with the situation but I don't see it.
2011: 1 - 4 star (out of 6 recruits)
2010: 0 - 4 star (out of 2 recruits)
2009: 1 - 5 star, 0 - 4 star (out of 3 recruits)
2008: 1 - 5 star, 1 - 4 star (out of 4 recruits)

The last two classes have been worse than the previous two and so far I don't see anyone yet committed for the 2012 class. Even if you throw out the "star" ratings and do an eyeball test I don't see any of the current 6 freshman that look "progessively better" than Gates, Cash, Dixon, Stephenson were as freshman.

Hopefully last years NCAA tourney appearance and another appearance this year will start to put UC on solid footing recruitng wise but right now UC is stocked with a group of very average players when compared to what teams in the upper echelon look like.
 
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(02-13-2012 09:03 AM)BearcatOtto Wrote:  What year of the rebuilding process were our seniors recruited? Right...year two.

How attractive was it to come to UC to play basketball four years ago? Again right...not very appealing to an 18 year old.

I'm firmly in Mick's corner and refuse to panic over the loss to Marquette, so dont take this post as negative versus him or the team. However UC was EXTREMELY attractive in year 2 to a recruit... A chance to start IMMEDIATELY in arguably the BEST conference in the NCAA. Also, nice analysis by the Nachoman bears this out.

Rath used to say it's best to avoid the board for a couple of days afer a loss and I have taken his advice. I know the team is on the bubble but for now I am still confident we'll get into the tourney. I also think we'll bounce back well against Providence this week.

This team is 1 I'd want to avoid if my team was in the tournament, extremely capable of beating top teams and also capable of laying an egg.
 
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(02-13-2012 09:52 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  
(02-13-2012 09:03 AM)BearcatOtto Wrote:  What year of the rebuilding process were our seniors recruited? Right...year two.

How attractive was it to come to UC to play basketball four years ago? Again right...not very appealing to an 18 year old.

I'm firmly in Mick's corner and refuse to panic over the loss to Marquette, so dont take this post as negative versus him or the team. However UC was EXTREMELY attractive in year 2 to a recruit... A chance to start IMMEDIATELY in arguably the BEST conference in the NCAA. Also, nice analysis by the Nachoman bears this out.

Rath used to say it's best to avoid the board for a couple of days afer a loss and I have taken his advice. I know the team is on the bubble but for now I am still confident we'll get into the tourney. I also think we'll bounce back well against Providence this week.

This team is 1 I'd want to avoid if my team was in the tournament, extremely capable of beating top teams and also capable of laying an egg.

It may have been atractive for players to come for playing time but players that wanted to win would never have come here. We had no chance of winning in year two.
 
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