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Give me a favor and tell all of the Big East folks that I'm not a Big East basher.
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3601,

Remember who you are and what you are. No need to worry what others think of you or your school. Be proud.

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3601....I stopped by your message board to read the thread about the BE and the high %s of cash each football school is getting...that is the best reason I can give anyone as to why the BE football schools will never go to 12...why would we ruin a good thing??

-- As for BE bashing...I have known you to be one of the more reasonable CUSA posters...but most BE fans have been bombarded with negativity from every possible direction about there league for so long...any percieved slight is going to get a response

-- It always amazes me that Memphis, UCF and ECU fans would bash the BE at all...those schools best hope...and perhaps there only hope of getting into the "BCS club" involves joining the BE football schools at some point...I think in the very near future those thee schools and perhaps a few others are going to try to engage in a can you top this contest with regards to fascilitys, coaches etc.... with basically each school trying to make itself the most attracitve option to be the 9th member of the new all sports league.....In some ways I think that as already begun with ECU basically coming out publically and saying they would accept football only membership untill the split...and UCF announcing plans to build a brand new on campus football staduim


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RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:3601,

Remember who you are and what you are. No need to worry what others think of you or your school. Be proud.

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I'm very proud of who I am. I was half joking because Jackson is one of the more reasonable Big East posters on this message board and he's not quite as ultra-sensitive about objective discussions regarding the BCS.
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Jackson1011 Wrote:3601....I stopped by your message board to read the thread about the BE and the high %s of cash each football school is getting...that is the best reason I can give anyone as to why the BE football schools will never go to 12...why would we ruin a good thing??
The reason to go to 12 is simple...

The Big East made $2.4 Million per school in bowl payout.

The SEC and Big XII made $2.2 Million per scholl in bowl payout, BUT they also made more than $200,000 per school off of the SEC and Big XII championship games.

Also, next year that $2.4 Million per school will actually decrease to $2.1 Million per school because it will be divided between 8 schools instead of 7 schools.
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If the BE football schools went to 12....we would not get near the cash the SEC or ACC will get for there championship game and would waterdown what football quality/history we have at the same time....the $$ don't add up unless Penn St and ND are on board (very unlikely)....so now all that's left is to see who #9 will be....let the competition begin



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RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:3601,

Remember who you are and what you are.  No need to worry what others think of you or your school.  Be proud.

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I'm very proud of who I am. I was half joking because Jackson is one of the more reasonable Big East posters on this message board and he's not quite as ultra-sensitive about objective discussions regarding the BCS.
I will not disagree with you there. Jackson does seem objective most of the time. But to Jackson I cjust can figure out where you stand on East Carolina. Some posts from you are pro-ECU and some are anti-ECU. I have posted many times my respect for WVU and the great fans you have. Just trying to figure out exactly where you stand on ECU.

And on a final note this East Carolina Pirate has never posted negatively about the Big East. I like each of you wants what is best for my school. We are down but we will be back. Just seeing an article early today when East Carolina was ranked number 19 in the nation back in 01 during the season makes me realize how far we have dropped in such a quick time but also excites me because we can be back just as quick. We will be back and I believe the powers to be in the Big East realize this and will be knocking on ECU's door very soon. To much is in place for us not to be. And before people like Cats Claw come in and start posting about how wondeful and powerful UC is, remember we went oin a decline fast. It can happen to you. I think it is safe to say and all will agree that nobody in the BE is Miami, Florida State, Florida, USC, Oklahoma, etc. They stock pile while most schools rely on year to year talent and a break through player or two. Even the powers that be can have some bad years.

I have enjoyed our games with WVU. Our games with Louisville were becoming heated and starting to develop into a rivalry of sorts. Not a natural rivalry but a game in which there was some heat. Cinncinati was one game they I started looking forward to. We have had good relations with Syracuse. USF, well, you have to earn your keep first. They hit things just right.

The Big East is a natural fit for ECU and I do not knock her because we may one day be joining her.
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Jackson1011 Wrote:If the BE football schools went to 12....we would not get near the cash the SEC or ACC will get for there championship game and would waterdown what football quality/history we have at the same time....the $$ don't add up unless Penn St and ND are on board (very unlikely)....so now all that's left is to see who #9 will be....let the competition begin



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I think the Big East will end up at 9 or 10 unless the NCAA mandates conference to have 12 teams.
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Quote:But to Jackson I cjust can figure out where you stand on East Carolina. Some posts from you are pro-ECU and some are anti-ECU. I have posted many times my respect for WVU and the great fans you have. Just trying to figure out exactly where you stand on ECU.

-- I have a lot of respect for the ECU program....especially when Steve Logan was the HC....and the Pirates do have great fans...with the exception of Pitt, Va Tech and Maryland..no one has brought as many fans to Morgantown as ECU...they travel very well

-- However...I'm not sold on the idea of ECU in the BE yet (frankly, I'm not sold on Memphis or UCF either)....if Logan was still the head man and the program was producing Jeff Blakes and Marcus Crandells it will be a different story...to me the Pirates have to prove they can win in the post Logan era.....Also I think a lot of people have some ?s about ECU basketball and whether it will ever be able to compete in NC...the football schools sacrficed hoops once when they added USF...I doubt they will do so again

-- UCF, ECU and Memphis all have there pluses and minuses in different areas...I think the most BE fans can hope for is one of the three really steps with regards to fascilitys, quality of play and fan support...in football as well as bball...again if UCF gets that on campus football staduim done...that is a big time step

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Jackson there are a couple of reasons you get varying responses concerning the Big East from ECU fans. One reason ECU fans say negative things about the Big East is because until/if we become a member of the Big East, we have to consider your conference a rival conference. No reason to root for the Big East if you are not a member. Another reason is because ECU fans, whether justified or not, feel jilted for not being selected this last go round plus way back when the Big East chose VaTech instead of my Pirates. In the end, I personally don't wish ill will on any program except for UNC & NC State. I just want ECU to be put in the best position possible to compete at the highest level.
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I'm not sold on East Carolina to the NBE, either... I don't think, from a TV-standpoint, that the Big East would gain anything with adding East Carolina as #9. East Carolina's best appeal is "regional" (which is why I say they belong as full-time members of the A-10 or SoCon) as opposed to "national".

I also don't see the Big East going to 12 members, just for football, because once again, the $$$ don't add up unless Notre Dame, Navy and Army are added in some fashion.
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Mongo, I think you need to call Terry Holland and let him know of your idea. Let me know how he responds. I think that you should start going to all of the Pirate club meeting & let the folks that attend those meeting know of you idea. Let me know how they respond.

Mongo, this is obivously an important idea. You seem to be consumed with this idea. I know that you have nothing but the best in mind for our beloved Pirates. You should continue your crusade. You can become to the Pirate Nation what MLK was to the civil rights movement.

Good Luck Mongo!
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Brick City Pirate Wrote:Mongo, I think you need to call Terry Holland and let him know of your idea. Let me know how he responds. I think that you should start going to all of the Pirate club meeting & let the folks that attend those meeting know of you idea. Let me know how they respond.

Mongo, this is obivously an important idea. You seem to be consumed with this idea. I know that you have nothing but the best in mind for our beloved Pirates.  You should continue your crusade. You can become to the Pirate Nation what MLK was to the civil rights movement.

Good Luck Mongo!
Whatever...

All I have to do is create a "Pirate Club"-ish website, wait a few months for the webcrawlers to index the site, then start promoting my ideas. It's not like I haven't done that before... 03-wink

I can't help you and the rest of "Delusional Nation" have this grandeur notion that East Carolina should be a nationally-acclaimed D1-A football program when she's really supposed to be one of the best regional schools -- which she isn't now.

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Quote:I'm not sold on East Carolina to the NBE, either... I don't think, from a TV-standpoint, that the Big East would gain anything with adding East Carolina as #9. East Carolina's best appeal is "regional" (which is why I say they belong as full-time members of the A-10 or SoCon) as opposed to "national".


Fact of the matter is there are maybe, at the most, 9 programs that are "national" in their appeal in football: Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Alabama, FSU, Miami,USC, Ohio State, Michigan and Texas. Maybe four in basketball: Duke, UConn, UNC, and Kentucky. Everybody else is "regional" in their appeal. Nobody in Seattle looks forward all week for a WVU/Pitt matchup in football, or a Clemson/UVA matchup in basketball unless they have ties to one of those schools.

The A-10 or SoCon would kill ECU athletics. Last year, in the midst of a 2 win season, ECU averaged 30k in home attendance. Twice as much as the top attendance average in the SoCon (Georgia Southern's 15k) and 9k better than the A10's best (Delaware's 21k) Taht alone says that ECU's athletic department would be taking a huge step backwards by dropping to 1-AA to join either conference. The only people it would be great for would be UNC and NC State...and your baby blue blood tells the tale as to why you want ECU to take a step back.
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If Mongo truly believes what he is saying, why doesn't he go tell the people with the power his idea of getting ECU to give up on playing at the highest level. I'm sure Coach Holland wouldn't mind becoming the highest paid AD of a D1aa program. I would love to see the expression on Coach Holland's face if Mongo ever got the nerve to tell him of his great idea.

Mongo, I want to personally invite you to the next Lee/Moore County Pirate Club Banquet. I'll talk to the chapter president to see if he will give you an opportunity to speak. Dennis Young who is in charge of the Pirate Club, AD Terry Holland, Coach Holtz, other coaches, along with over 100 Pirate Club members will probably be at the meeting. That will be your big chance to get the ball rolling.

I know you spout your position on the internet. It doesn't appear that you have been too successful in getting the ball rolling. The best way to get people to come around to your way of thinking is to talk to them in person. I'll do my best to give you that opportunity.
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Quote: The A-10 or SoCon would kill ECU athletics.
Of course, I disagree with you, C-Daddy...

Put ECU in the A-10, and you have no less than 2 40,000+ attendance games in Dowdy-Ficklen every other season -- William & Mary and James Madison. Sure, you can (try and) prove otherwise, but as long as I can point to that 40,000+ attended game with ECU and W&M back in 2001, I have at least 1 leg to stand on.

ECU athletics -- sans baseball -- is dead already thanks to its membership in C-USA. The AD budget is in 'da RED, football has slipped pretty much off the Atlantic Ocean and is only able to draw around 60-65% capacity in Dowdy-Ficklen. Basketball has been dead in Greenville ever since, well, forever.

At least with A-10 football, you get schools like Delaware, James Maddy, William & Mary, schools all within reasonable driving distance to East Carolina, and since most non-NC ECU alums are from the Northeast (so "they" say), the A-10 would be a great fit.

Yes, I'm backing off my SoCon stance a bit... gotta ride the hot conference (A-10), yanno?

The point is, ECU athletics is dead NOW as long as they insist on playing in a transregional non-BCS conference (re: C-USA). And we both know that ECU isn't likely to land a spot in any reorganization of the Big East. At least, I know that...
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Winning cures all, Mongo!
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Brick City Pirate Wrote:Winning cures all, Mongo!
BCP...

East Carolina was winning in the mid-90s in football and where, pray-tell, has that landed her...? A nice lil' spot in Division I-A purgatory (C-USA), drawing to only 60-65% capacity.

Some cure.
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MongoSlade Wrote:
Brick City Pirate Wrote:Winning cures all, Mongo!
BCP...

East Carolina was winning in the mid-90s in football and where, pray-tell, has that landed her...? A nice lil' spot in Division I-A purgatory (C-USA), drawing to only 60-65% capacity.

Some cure.
Would you have stayed Independent? Unfortunately, C-USA was the most viable option then and now.
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catdaddy_2402 Wrote:Fact of the matter is there are maybe, at the most, 9 programs that are "national" in their appeal in football: Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Alabama, FSU, Miami,USC, Ohio State, Michigan and Texas.
I hate to admit it, but Tennessee is now a national program. So are Florida and Nebraska. I would probably put Penn State in that group too.
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