I think PurpleReigns Tiers still holds true today. But at the same time this gap between CUSA and the MAC has closed. Maybe the MAC surpasses CUSA in the future though.

(02-11-2012 05:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 05:18 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  MAC's best teams

UNI
Ohio
Temple
Toldeo

C-USA's best teams

USM
UH (gone)
Tulsa
SMU (gone)
Marshal
ECU
UTEP
UCF (gone)

Not to mention USM has been to Omaha recently, won the football championship, and has a chance to win the basketball regular season championship and is still in the conference.

Ummm Buffalo swept UTEP in football not all that long ago but yea you're right a *huge* differnece in the level of play.

Oh when UTEP was 5-7 and 4-8, and Buffalo was MAC champs under Turner Gill. Yeah...I remember that.

(02-11-2012 05:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 05:27 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 05:18 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  MAC's best teams

UNI
Ohio
Temple
Toldeo

C-USA's best teams

USM
UH (gone)
Tulsa
SMU (gone)
Marshal
ECU
UTEP
UCF (gone)

Not to mention USM has been to Omaha recently, won the football championship, and has a chance to win the basketball regular season championship and is still in the conference.

This won't end well. Common knowledge and sense aren't really welcome over here.

However, if you're in favor of ECU joining the MAC they will tell you how much sense that makes.

Why in the world are you still here?

Because I like to talk football and it pertains to my conference. Quit bitching and stick to the topic.

(02-11-2012 05:34 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I think PurpleReigns Tiers still holds true today. But at the same time this gap between CUSA and the MAC has closed. Maybe the MAC surpasses CUSA in the future though.

I don't think it will close that much now. We will backload with the best of the rest and/or merge and rewiden that gap

(02-11-2012 05:35 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 05:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 05:18 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  MAC's best teams

UNI
Ohio
Temple
Toldeo

C-USA's best teams

USM
UH (gone)
Tulsa
SMU (gone)
Marshal
ECU
UTEP
UCF (gone)

Not to mention USM has been to Omaha recently, won the football championship, and has a chance to win the basketball regular season championship and is still in the conference.

Ummm Buffalo swept UTEP in football not all that long ago but yea you're right a *huge* differnece in the level of play.

Oh when UTEP was 5-7 and 4-8, and Buffalo was MAC champs under Turner Gill. Yeah...I remember that.

2008: Buffalo was 7-5 regular season (4th in the MAC) (would have been 6-6 if UTEP won) UTEP was 5-7 and would have been 6-6 if they beat UB..

2009: UB finished 5-7...

UTEP and Buffalo, kind of the same level of team.. But the real question here is..

(02-11-2012 05:38 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 05:34 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I think PurpleReigns Tiers still holds true today. But at the same time this gap between CUSA and the MAC has closed. Maybe the MAC surpasses CUSA in the future though.

I don't think it will close that much now. We will backload with the best of the rest and/or merge and rewiden that gap

(02-11-2012 04:57 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:44 PM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  even their mods are obnoxious.

I'm obnoxious for stating facts? Answer me this question then, if the MAC was so much better than CUSA and MWC then why aren't your teams being picked off by the Big East?

This is got nothing to do with conference affiliation.
UCF has a massive enrollment.
Memphis has basketball final fours.
Boise has BCS appearances.
And I don't have any idea what besides market any other teams have to offer.
The remaining CUSA conference is pathetic.
There were isolated high points with some individual universities.
And thats it.
MWC has some nice remaining parts however.

I've been wrong before, but I still can't see C-USA making it enticing enough for Temple to jump aboard...too many exit fees and uncertainties with the BE still a possibility.

(02-11-2012 06:18 PM)owen Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:57 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:44 PM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  even their mods are obnoxious.

I'm obnoxious for stating facts? Answer me this question then, if the MAC was so much better than CUSA and MWC then why aren't your teams being picked off by the Big East?

This is got nothing to do with conference affiliation.
UCF has a massive enrollment.
Memphis has basketball final fours.
Boise has BCS appearances.
And I don't have any idea what besides market any other teams have to offer.
The remaining CUSA conference is pathetic.
There were isolated high points with some individual universities.
And thats it.
MWC has some nice remaining parts however.

I didn't know USM, Tulsa, ECU, and Marshall were pathetic. Thanks for letting me know.

(02-11-2012 07:13 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:18 PM)owen Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:57 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:44 PM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  even their mods are obnoxious.

I'm obnoxious for stating facts? Answer me this question then, if the MAC was so much better than CUSA and MWC then why aren't your teams being picked off by the Big East?

This is got nothing to do with conference affiliation.
UCF has a massive enrollment.
Memphis has basketball final fours.
Boise has BCS appearances.
And I don't have any idea what besides market any other teams have to offer.
The remaining CUSA conference is pathetic.
There were isolated high points with some individual universities.
And thats it.
MWC has some nice remaining parts however.

I didn't know USM, Tulsa, ECU, and Marshall were pathetic. Thanks for letting me know.

now you know, its about time you learned

(02-08-2012 05:42 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The MAC needs to look to JMU. They may not bring a huge market, but I feel like they bring a lot of intangibles, even for football-only.

However if Temple leaves the A-10, the A-10 won't be nearly as attractive as it is now and we might want to try to convince UMass to join for all sports.

Getting back to the original topic if Temple and say maybe UMass leave I'm leaning toward looking at Arkansas State, WKU, MTSU and maybe even Louisiana Tech depending on how numbers go.

The reason I like going west with the expansion candidates is that it would help strengthen the MAC footprint in the central timezone. Its not just about markets any more, its also timezones and the MAC has nearly everybody on EST.

The MAC has discussed WKU and MTSU in the past but I think if you throw Arkansas State into the mix which is close in location to Memphis then you've got all 3 Tennessee area SBC schools as package to the MAC. A package the Sun Belt can't replace.

Ark State location shown on this map

Tiers do exist if you are talking about athletic budgets, and CUSA is above the MAC in that regard. That is likely a major factor in consideration for inclusion in the Big East. For example, the only MAC team even rumored to be a possible candidate is Temple. Temple's athletic budget far eclipses the rest of the MAC. They have never won the East division or the conference and its attendance isn't that far above the rest of the conference.

If you're talking about head to head competitiveness, the top third of the MAC and the top third of CUSA are comparable. We just spend less money, on average, to be that way.

(02-11-2012 06:18 PM)owen Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:57 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:44 PM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  even their mods are obnoxious.

I'm obnoxious for stating facts? Answer me this question then, if the MAC was so much better than CUSA and MWC then why aren't your teams being picked off by the Big East?

This is got nothing to do with conference affiliation.
UCF has a massive enrollment.
Memphis has basketball final fours.
Boise has BCS appearances.
And I don't have any idea what besides market any other teams have to offer.
The remaining CUSA conference is pathetic.
There were isolated high points with some individual universities.
And thats it.
MWC has some nice remaining parts however.

Actually what remains of the MWC is more pathetic football-wise than what’s left of CUSA. The five teams left in the MWC plus the three teams joining from the WAC have a composite Sagarin rating of 60.40. The eight teams left in CUSA have a composite Sagarin rating of 64.62. If the 16 teams in the MWC and CUSA merge their composite Sagarin rating would be 62.51, one point below the MAC’s current Sagarin rating of 63.53.

It is interesting to note, too, that if we look at just the top eight schools in the MAC with a composite Sagarin rating of 68.64 they easily top the eight teams left in CUSA at 64.62.

Southern Miss A = 81.07
Tulsa A = 77.02
Marshall A = 67.49
Rice A = 64.45
UTEP A = 63.71
East Carolina A = 63.52
UAB A = 52.04
Tulane A = 47.69
Composite 516.99/8 = 64.62


Air Force A = 68.58
Wyoming A = 66.09
Colorado State A = 54.65
UNLV A = 51.47
New Mexico A = 47.05
Nevada A = 70.89
Hawaii A = 62.79
Fresno State A = 61.68
Composite 483.20/8 = 60.40

MWC + CUSA = 483.20 + 516.99 = 1000.19/16 = 62.51 composite rating

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

Don't mock the Tulsa fans. They have a small school but unlike some CUSA schools I do not recall them acting like D-bags so much. They do really well all things considered.

I really doubt Temple will join C-USA.

C-USA would only accept Temple on an all-sports basis, and I don't think Temple is willing to do that.

(02-11-2012 11:18 PM)Rocketime Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 06:18 PM)owen Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:57 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-11-2012 04:44 PM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  even their mods are obnoxious.

I'm obnoxious for stating facts? Answer me this question then, if the MAC was so much better than CUSA and MWC then why aren't your teams being picked off by the Big East?

This is got nothing to do with conference affiliation.
UCF has a massive enrollment.
Memphis has basketball final fours.
Boise has BCS appearances.
And I don't have any idea what besides market any other teams have to offer.
The remaining CUSA conference is pathetic.
There were isolated high points with some individual universities.
And thats it.
MWC has some nice remaining parts however.

Actually what remains of the MWC is more pathetic football-wise than what’s left of CUSA. The five teams left in the MWC plus the three teams joining from the WAC have a composite Sagarin rating of 60.40. The eight teams left in CUSA have a composite Sagarin rating of 64.62. If the 16 teams in the MWC and CUSA merge their composite Sagarin rating would be 62.51, one point below the MAC’s current Sagarin rating of 63.53.

It is interesting to note, too, that if we look at just the top eight schools in the MAC with a composite Sagarin rating of 68.64 they easily top the eight teams left in CUSA at 64.62.

Southern Miss A = 81.07
Tulsa A = 77.02
Marshall A = 67.49
Rice A = 64.45
UTEP A = 63.71
East Carolina A = 63.52
UAB A = 52.04
Tulane A = 47.69
Composite 516.99/8 = 64.62


Air Force A = 68.58
Wyoming A = 66.09
Colorado State A = 54.65
UNLV A = 51.47
New Mexico A = 47.05
Nevada A = 70.89
Hawaii A = 62.79
Fresno State A = 61.68
Composite 483.20/8 = 60.40

MWC + CUSA = 483.20 + 516.99 = 1000.19/16 = 62.51 composite rating

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

Why ignore the other 6 teams in your conference? You do realize that the top 8 teams in your conference partially build their rating by beating up on those 6 teams, right? Conversely, the bottom teams from this years CUSA had their scores impacted by losses to some of the teams that are leaving. Therefore, to look at last years results the way you have is misleading.

Doesn't really matter, Marshall is 62-13 against the MAC since rejoining FBS in 1997 so I already know we're better. I've watched us play a lot of MAC games and a lot of games against USM, ECU, Tulsa, UTEP, etc. Conference USA, the remaining teams, has better facilities, better fan support, and better players. It's really not that close.

Ohio 44, Marshal 7 (football). OU and Akron beat Marshall in hoops this season. Yes, C-USA has better attendance.

So, who's the tallest midget?

(02-11-2012 09:52 PM)Photodan Wrote:  Tiers do exist if you are talking about athletic budgets, and CUSA is above the MAC in that regard. That is likely a major factor in consideration for inclusion in the Big East. For example, the only MAC team even rumored to be a possible candidate is Temple. Temple's athletic budget far eclipses the rest of the MAC. They have never won the East division or the conference and its attendance isn't that far above the rest of the conference.

If you're talking about head to head competitiveness, the top third of the MAC and the top third of CUSA are comparable. We just spend less money, on average, to be that way.

The difference is that the 'tier' CUSA is at is not, for the most part, head and shoulders above the MAC and definitely not enough to make up for the travel those teams have to endure.

(02-11-2012 05:18 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  MAC's best teams

UNI
Ohio
Temple
Toldeo

...

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ITS NIU

UNI is University of Northern Iowa