(02-01-2012 08:11 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 07:33 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  It is clear that he goes by Bobby because he doesn't believe Piyush would allow him to be accepted in politics.

You keep repeating this asinine post even after it has been pointed out to you he has gone by Bobby since he was a child.

You really think he believes people will vote for an Indian but not if he has an Indian name? You're really sticking with that?

Do you think anyone would vote for an Indian named Bobby but not Piyush?

The general voting public would, yes.

Voters in Louisiana know that "Bobby" is not his birth-name, and he still got 66% of the vote in a "jungle primary" open to all candidates from all political parties.

I'm not processing the problem here. My first name is Alvin but I go by my middle name because Alvin is a terrible name. If I get into politics does that mean I should start going by Alvin again because it's more acceptable to use your given first name?

Yes... In high school (at the latest), before going to college, much less medical school (when he was ALsO accepted into law school, which would have been much more likely for someone wanting to go into politics)... Your argument is that he knew he was going into politics?

Truly crazy

I'm betting the truth is more likely that Louisiana girls were more likely to go with bobby than piyush to prom

Of course, he married an Indian woman, and gave his children Indian names, at about the same time he would be deciding on his career. If it were about politics, he would have married mrs Brady and named his kids jan, Marsha and peter (he has 3 I believe, all with clearly ethnic names)

But if you want, we can play the same game. Bearcat bounce clearly sold out his individuality to fit into ncaabbs. Facts don't matter, all that matters is that I think it's true.


And no, nomad... Boozecat is arguing that you go by Alvin because you already knew you were going into politics. FTR, I went by a nickname off of my middle name as a child(my parents choice) and my first name as a teenager and adult. I guess my parents didn't want me going into politics

(02-02-2012 10:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Yes... In high school (at the latest), before going to college, much less medical school (when he was ALsO accepted into law school, which would have been much more likely for someone wanting to go into politics)... Your argument is that he knew he was going into politics?

Truly crazy

I'm betting the truth is more likely that Louisiana girls were more likely to go with bobby than piyush to prom

Of course, he married an Indian woman, and gave his children Indian names, at about the same time he would be deciding on his career. If it were about politics, he would have married mrs Brady and named his kids jan, Marsha and peter (he has 3 I believe, all with clearly ethnic names)

But if you want, we can play the same game. Bearcat bounce clearly sold out his individuality to fit into ncaabbs. Facts don't matter, all that matters is that I think it's true.


And no, nomad... Boozecat is arguing that you go by Alvin because you already knew you were going into politics. FTR, I went by a nickname off of my middle name as a child(my parents choice) and my first name as a teenager and adult. I guess my parents didn't want me going into politics

So you are just going to pretend like you didn't make a really idiotic comment about me supporting Obama? Okay, thats cool.

And those two situations are exactly the same, not one difference between a moniker on a sports forum and running for political office, you are just way too good at this.

Is there any point to this thread anymore? The whole thing was initiated on a falsehood anyway!

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(02-02-2012 11:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Is there any point to this thread anymore? The whole thing was initiated on a falsehood anyway!

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The thread was initiated to be a blind test for who thinks the state should make a decision for your children vs. the parents making the decision.

Since I switched who said what, I thought it was enlightening that conservatives/libertarians for the most part threw Bobby under the bus.

If I had posted the story as was originally written, then most of the comments would have been..."More of the same from teacher's unions"...and, "Why do you hate education and teachers?"

If you don't approve of my attempt to shed light on issues as opposed to the same ole partisan drivel, feel free to take the childish route and neg rep me because you don't grasp the point...oh, you did....and then move on.

At least I wasn't party to the ridiculous tangent about politicians who change their names to be more "electable".

(02-02-2012 11:21 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  So you are just going to pretend like you didn't make a really idiotic comment about me supporting Obama? Okay, thats cool.

I clearly addressed that in post 58. Who is the idiot?

You've yet to explain your really idiotic claim that a high schooler changed his name and religion because he knew it would help him later in politics.

Quote:And those two situations are exactly the same, not one difference between a moniker on a sports forum and running for political office, you are just way too good at this.

Sorry... I don't know you or your situation enough to take the comparison any further. If you are free to make stupid unsupported and in fact unbelievable claims, then so am I. Yes. In that sense, exactly the same

(02-02-2012 11:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Is there any point to this thread anymore? The whole thing was initiated on a falsehood anyway!

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Unfortunately threads can go off on tangents... But it still relates to falsehoods... Too many people are willing to just make up crazy lies to make points that don't need to be made... And worse, too many stupid voters believe them because they lie with such conviction. If you didn't know when he started going by bobby, or that he married an indian woman and gave his children ethnic names, or went to med school rather than law school, you might accept the claim that he was a simple sell-out?.. And for some reason, that would be more important to someone than their policies

This thread illustrates the problem I have always had with the assigning or choosing of "English names" for immigrants or kids in foreign countries studying English. To me, for people like this, an English name should only be a nickname and should be chosen the same way we choose nicknames. Just like Thomas is shortened to Tom, or Joseph is shortened to Joe, these kids should be given nicknames that share some similarity with their real names.

So, yes, Jindal should have been given an English nickname like Peter or Phil as a kid, not Bobby, because someone who doesn't know him can easily see where it came from. It is easy to see why some kid named Barack would be called Barry in school or by his friends. But a casual observer won't necessarily understand why someone named Piyush would go by Bobby. Yet they could easily see why he would go by Peter or Phil or any other P name.

It makes absolutely no sense to me why a Chinese kid named Weiming Chen, for instance, would have an English name such as Richard. There is no R sound anywhere near his real name. Call him Waylon or Warren or any other W name. Even a name that begins with M would make sense. I think choosing an "English name" based on what TV show some kid likes is stupid. Otherwise brace for an avalanche of Chandlers and Phoebes out of China.

Are we really suggesting that nicknames must make phonetic sense?

What about Red, or Bubba or Junior.... Much less flash or spike

Nicknames are nicknames. Some people are better known by their nickname than their real one

(02-03-2012 03:17 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Are we really suggesting that nicknames must make phonetic sense?

What about Red, or Bubba or Junior.... Much less flash or spike

Nicknames are nicknames. Some people are better known by their nickname than their real one.

You are talking about a completely different issue. Red, Bubba, Junior, Flash, and Spike are clearly and obviously fake names. No parent would actually name their kids those things unless they are as stupid as those morons in Finland or Sweden who wanted to name their baby Metallica.

If the Louisiana governor was known as Corky Jindal, or Speedy Jindal, it would be obvious this is just a nickname. No one would ask how he went from Piyush to one of those obviously fake names. Bobby, on the other hand, is a real name, so people will wonder how he got there, and this happens with immigrant kids all the time. So choosing "English names" with phonetics being a major consideration would save a lot of time wasted on silly explanations and dumb stories.

What happens overseas is worst of all. I have a couple of relatives who taught English in China and Korea for a few years. The teachers there often merely assign the same limited number of "English names" year after year, and often across different classes in the same grade, with no thought given to individuality. This leads to schools having 50 boys named "Mike," or 40 girls named "Lucy," and so on. Who would be happy going through an uncreative situation like that?

Then, as the kids get older, they start changing their "English names" more frequently than their underwear in some cases. So you can have a girl who wants to be named Phoebe one year because she likes "Friends," but then simply changes it to Avril because Ms. Lavigne comes out with a new hit song, and later changes it to something else because she meets a slightly older girl who claims she was using that name "first." Phonetic names would be more likely to stick.

I also think it is silly to call every boy with red hair Red or to refer to every boy from the South who ends up in the North as Bubba. Otherwise most of Ireland would be nicknamed Red -- and journalists who used Bubba for Clinton were annoying since he already had a nickname -- Bill.

I was specifically responding to someone claiming that piyush should have chosen peter or Paul rather than bobby... And of COUrSe they would ask how someone got the name speedy. I suspect an opponent would make up his own reason in a campaign speech. I certainly would.

As to "obvious" nicknames... I know people whose birth certificates Have what most people consider nicknames on them...

perhaps "Bobby" agreed with you and didn't want to adopt a name that sounded too much like his real name

As to your phoebe comments, did bobby do that? No. So why is your fantasy pertinent to the topic. I also don't see how what you think of what foreigners do is pertinent. He made a choice himself.

In any event... Bobby did this, and seems perfectly comfortable with it. What difference does it make to anyone? Unlike apparently Clinton and Bush and Obama, his "youthful indiscretions" don't appear to involve breaking thenlaw

Quote:You are talking about a completely different issue. Red, Bubba, Junior, Flash, and Spike are clearly and obviously fake names. No parent would actually name their kids those things unless they are as stupid as those morons in Finland or Sweden who wanted to name their baby Metallica.

My Cousin by marriage is name Suek-Je and took the name 'Tim', not Sam, not S anything. My Brothers name is Anthony yet we all call him Brian. My wife called me by my middle name for years.

People use different criteria to pick a new name if they want one.

Quote:If the Louisiana governor was known as Corky Jindal, or Speedy Jindal, it would be obvious this is just a nickname. No one would ask how he went from Piyush to one of those obviously fake names.

So?

Quote:Bobby, on the other hand, is a real name, so people will wonder how he got there, and this happens with immigrant kids all the time.

And?

Quote:So choosing "English names" with phonetics being a major consideration would save a lot of time wasted on silly explanations and dumb stories.

It might... if the name chosen were at all important. My inlaws are named Sara and John, which sounds *nothing* like their real names. She is a business manager and none of her employees who do, or don't know her birth name give a fat rats behind that she is 'Sara'

Quote:What happens overseas is worst of all. I have a couple of relatives who taught English in China and Korea for a few years. The teachers there often merely assign the same limited number of "English names" year after year, and often across different classes in the same grade, with no thought given to individuality.

LOL... On my 15 person team at work there our Four Tims, including me. I have, as I mentioned a cousin with the same name. Am I less of an individual?

Now all of my kids have pretty unique names, I doubt that two of them will ever work with someone who has the same name, the third *might*. Are they more individuals than people with common names?

Quote:This leads to schools having 50 boys named "Mike," or 40 girls named "Lucy," and so on. Who would be happy going through an uncreative situation like that?

If you find happiness in your adopted name (or you're real name), well then you are a sad person.

In Korea almost all Males in a generation from one paternal grandfather share a pretty common name. I mentioned Suek-Je above. Almost every male in that family, in that Generation is Suek-(something). The first one to have a boy picks the names.

Combine that with the fact that 90% of people in Korea fall into one of a half dozen or so family names and you have very 'uncreative names'.

They seem like happy folks to me.

Quote:Then, as the kids get older, they start changing their "English names" more frequently than their underwear in some cases.

Living in an immigrant community that has not been my experience.

Quote:So you can have a girl who wants to be named Phoebe one year because she likes "Friends," but then simply changes it to Avril because Ms. Lavigne comes out with a new hit song, and later changes it to something else because she meets a slightly older girl who claims she was using that name "first." Phonetic names would be more likely to stick.

Even *if* you had one or two concrete examples of this which were concrete so what? You think because one or two people do something its indicative of an entire population?

Time to cut this conversation short since I am getting ready for a trip to Japan. Luckily, most people shy away from adopting "English names" there, unlike their neighbors in China and Korea. Personally, I don't care what Piyush Jindal calls himself, as long as he is happy with it. My point was simply, since someone bought up the topic, to expand on some of the issues associated with "adopted English names" both at home in America and elsewhere in the world. For someone who travels a lot, the aforementioned tomfoolery is quite pertinent, at any rate. I hate when our office gets a call from a secretary in Shanghai "named" Beyonce, causing everyone to shake their heads in befuddlement and disbelief, especially considering that she introduced herself to us as Adele just six months earlier. Sometimes globalization truly sucks in the most unexpected ways imaginable.