(02-03-2012 08:32 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  I don't understand the fake "I'm not ready" part.

PJ...I guess we hardly knew ye.

I don't know that it's totally fake. He could legitimately feel overmatched for where he's at in his career. And continuing to be a position coach, even in the NFL would reinforce that. The coordinator job is a lot of responsibility, and his comments before this one have said as much. Maybe he just sees himself as a WR coach right now.

I can remember a couple instances where high profile basketball coaches (Bobby Cremins?) took different jobs and just up and changed there minds shortly after being announced at their new jobs.

Sometimes weird stuff happens and what felt right in the moment doesn't feel right with a clear head.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

(02-03-2012 09:14 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:32 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  I don't understand the fake "I'm not ready" part.

PJ...I guess we hardly knew ye.

I don't know that it's totally fake. He could legitimately feel overmatched for where he's at in his career. And continuing to be a position coach, even in the NFL would reinforce that. The coordinator job is a lot of responsibility, and his comments before this one have said as much. Maybe he just sees himself as a WR coach right now.

I can remember a couple instances where high profile basketball coaches (Bobby Cremins?) took different jobs and just up and changed there minds shortly after being announced at their new jobs.

Sometimes weird stuff happens and what felt right in the moment doesn't feel right with a clear head.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

if he truly felt being an OC was too much for him right now, then why did he interview for our Head Coach job last year?? i still call BS on that

(02-03-2012 09:16 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 09:14 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:32 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  I don't understand the fake "I'm not ready" part.

PJ...I guess we hardly knew ye.

I don't know that it's totally fake. He could legitimately feel overmatched for where he's at in his career. And continuing to be a position coach, even in the NFL would reinforce that. The coordinator job is a lot of responsibility, and his comments before this one have said as much. Maybe he just sees himself as a WR coach right now.

I can remember a couple instances where high profile basketball coaches (Bobby Cremins?) took different jobs and just up and changed there minds shortly after being announced at their new jobs.

Sometimes weird stuff happens and what felt right in the moment doesn't feel right with a clear head.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

if he truly felt being an OC was too much for him right now, then why did he interview for our Head Coach job last year?? i still call BS on that

Courtesy interview meets eyes too big for his stomach.

(02-03-2012 09:08 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 09:03 PM)7 Wrote:  I don't blame anybody for not watching P.J. back, I jus t don't want Tuke.

Screw worrying about our next HC. Let's get a good OC in here and move on. All this B.S. with the former Kaneland/NIU/49er/Rutgers guy doesn't change the fact we've had two great years and just signed a great class.

I'm excited as hell for spring practice and then kickin' some Hawkeye a** this fall!

+1

(02-03-2012 09:01 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:54 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  I'm trying to figure out how this is a better career move. There's no doubt it's more money, but if he's looking to be a head coach, an offensive coordinator position would be much better for him than remaining a position coach, even in the NFL.

That.. and the way he did it certainly doesn't look good to any mid major that may have wanted to hire him as a head coach. Why would you trust him to even stay a year or two? He's limiting his future chances with a move like this, unless he'd rather coach in the pro's and just doesn't care about college football (obviously, possible).

PJ is going the pro route and probably won't come back to NCAA football.

As many of you have pointed out...the most painful aspect to deal with is the loyalty issue. Everyone on this board is NIU Huskie crazy, and in the end what we want in a coach is someone that feels as passionate about the team and university as we do. In most of our minds PJ fit that mold to a T. That is the most bitter pill to swallow.

On the positive side, I started a thread a few hours before this news blew up regarding PJ's inexperience. This could be a blessing in disguise. NIU was very fortunate to have an OC with the track record of Canada. PJ would have had a ton of growing pains next year. Maybe now, we can find an OC that can hit the ground running. PJ would have been an asset to this university, and I do feel a bit betrayed by the sudden turnaround, but I'll get over it, after all I went for pizza with the wife and kids tonight in my MAC championship tshirt.

(02-03-2012 09:14 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:32 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  I don't understand the fake "I'm not ready" part.

PJ...I guess we hardly knew ye.

I don't know that it's totally fake. He could legitimately feel overmatched for where he's at in his career. And continuing to be a position coach, even in the NFL would reinforce that. The coordinator job is a lot of responsibility, and his comments before this one have said as much. Maybe he just sees himself as a WR coach right now.

I can remember a couple instances where high profile basketball coaches (Bobby Cremins?) took different jobs and just up and changed there minds shortly after being announced at their new jobs.

Sometimes weird stuff happens and what felt right in the moment doesn't feel right with a clear head.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

That is pretty sad then, how old was Fitzgerald when he took over NU? Fleck should have been honest. This is such a puss answer to leave.

(02-03-2012 09:25 PM)Huskie359 Wrote:  As many of you have pointed out...the most painful aspect to deal with is the loyalty issue. Everyone on this board is NIU Huskie crazy, and in the end what we want in a coach is someone that feels as passionate about the team and university as we do. In most of our minds PJ fit that mold to a T. That is the most bitter pill to swallow.

On the positive side, I started a thread a few hours before this news blew up regarding PJ's inexperience. This could be a blessing in disguise. NIU was very fortunate to have an OC with the track record of Canada. PJ would have had a ton of growing pains next year. Maybe now, we can find an OC that can hit the ground running. PJ would have been an asset to this university, and I do feel a bit betrayed by the sudden turnaround, but I'll get over it, after all I went for pizza with the wife and kids tonight in my MAC championship tshirt.

Great point.

(02-03-2012 08:43 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:04 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  ring ring.... "Hey ________ this is Dave Doeren"...
Thomas Hammock
Sam Pitman
Jay Boulware
George McDonald
John Bond

http://www.redandblackattack.com/pages/t...ching-tree

Who's your top 3

None of the above. Jim Zebrowski.

He would be a good choice too but then you have the whole Cole/QB coach Fris/WR coach thing that messes that up sort of.

(02-03-2012 09:13 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:54 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  I'm trying to figure out how this is a better career move. There's no doubt it's more money, but if he's looking to be a head coach, an offensive coordinator position would be much better for him than remaining a position coach, even in the NFL.

To be a head coach at the non-AQ FBS level being an NFL positions coach is on the same level as an FBS OC or DC.

The recruits would rank a new HC with experience as aNFL positions coach higher than an OC or DC.

In this case he will be making 3X the money per year.

If he was just given the offer today then I have no problem with the timing.

However, he needs to release a statement asap clarifying everything otherwise this looks as bad as the Jerry gaff...I have nothing to say to you...

So you're saying our hire of Dave Doeren (an FBS DC), would have been equivalent to hiring a nfl positions coach?!

Here's a list of some current WR coaches in the NFL and their coaching highlights (if they have any, per wiki):

Bob Bicknell Offensive Coordinator Berlin/Cologne for 5 years
Chad O'Shea
Sanjay Lal
Jim Hostler SF 49ers O coordinator for 1 year
James Urban
Mike Wilson
Scottie Montgomery


That's just a few. The biggest names on the list are Ike Hilliard and Edgar Bennett.

I just got a text that said P.J. was completely overwhelmed and had no plan for the offense.

lets just go get Hammock now!

(02-03-2012 08:04 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  ring ring.... "Hey ________ this is Dave Doeren"...
Thomas Hammock
Sam Pitman
Jay Boulware
George McDonald
John Bond

http://www.redandblackattack.com/pages/t...ching-tree

Who's your top 3

PJ should have waited until he got all options on the table then make a decision. Coach D should hire none of the above but who thinks is the right choice. Just because the above coached here doesn't mean a thing.

Man, can we just stop talking about this guy now.

(02-03-2012 09:31 PM)7 Wrote:  I just got a text that said P.J. was completely overwhelmed and had no plan for the offense.

Well I am not ready for the pity party for PJ. A plan for an offense wasn't discussed during an interview?

Why did he accept the job?

He had no plan for an offense? Huh? What does that mean? This guy has done nothing but football for half his life. Toledo just hired a HEAD COACH at 32. I call bS.

(02-03-2012 09:29 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 09:13 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:54 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  I'm trying to figure out how this is a better career move. There's no doubt it's more money, but if he's looking to be a head coach, an offensive coordinator position would be much better for him than remaining a position coach, even in the NFL.

To be a head coach at the non-AQ FBS level being an NFL positions coach is on the same level as an FBS OC or DC.

The recruits would rank a new HC with experience as aNFL positions coach higher than an OC or DC.

In this case he will be making 3X the money per year.

If he was just given the offer today then I have no problem with the timing.

However, he needs to release a statement asap clarifying everything otherwise this looks as bad as the Jerry gaff...I have nothing to say to you...

So you're saying our hire of Dave Doeren (an FBS DC), would have been equivalent to hiring a nfl positions coach?!

Here's a list of some current WR coaches in the NFL and their coaching highlights (if they have any, per wiki):

Bob Bicknell Offensive Coordinator Berlin/Cologne for 5 years
Chad O'Shea
Sanjay Lal
Jim Hostler SF 49ers O coordinator for 1 year
James Urban
Mike Wilson
Scottie Montgomery


That's just a few. The biggest names on the list are Ike Hilliard and Edgar Bennett.

No cause Doeren was an AQ DC....I guess I missed that part.

(02-03-2012 08:23 PM)7 Wrote:  I just hope he didn't murder his chance of being head coach.

have to get over former players being the next head coach. I really don't care if he is or not. There is no shortage of coaches who fit the Huskie mold

(02-03-2012 09:32 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  lets just go get Hammock now!

WHY!!!!

We need to ask Chandler Harnish who NIU should hire.

(02-03-2012 09:37 PM)gcd Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:23 PM)7 Wrote:  I just hope he didn't murder his chance of being head coach.

have to get over former players being the next head coach. I really don't care if he is or not. There is no shortage of coaches who fit the Huskie mold

I've never cared if it was a former player or not. But seeing P.J. at practice, listening to his players talk to him, and knowing his personality, he seemed like a perfect fit for head coach, or so I thought.