(02-04-2012 09:52 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 09:04 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I'll be f'n damn if we go backwards to the MAC, SUN BELT, or form some conference comprised predominantly of those teams. I'd call it quits before I'd call for that.

UAB & USF were FCS move ups 2 years before joining CUSA. UCF was in the Sunbelt. Marshall was in the MAC.

What's your suggestion then? I mean, be realistic here. The "Alliance" has lost UCF, SMU, UH, Boise, SDSU and now it's looking like Memphis and Air Force could be gone. Where else are these higher quality "backfill" schools going to come from??? Do you honestly think the Alliance is a long term solution that will last more than 5 years? I guess you're holding out for the ACC or SEC invite??? What if that never comes?? That lineup we've been discussing or something like it is probably what we're dealing at 10 years from now. I'm honestly not trying to be an a$$ but at some point what the hell else are we supposed to do?

The teams that moved TO CUSA moved up.

ECU to the MAC or Sun Belt is known as moving down.

I never said anything about ECU moving to the MAC, not sure how you read that. But if we can build a future league that includes ECU, Marshall, USM, UAB, Tulane and other major universities (plus some flagships) like La Tech, Arkansas State (flagship), Umass (flagship), Ohio, ODU, Temple and Delaware (flagship) that makes a LOT of sense in 10 years. Those schools will move up soon one way or another. Some of them have a lot more athletic potential than some in CUSA right now. I never said anything about them moving directly into CUSA if that's what gets you so upset.

Arkansas State as a flagship school in Arkansas?


lolololololololo

(02-04-2012 10:12 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Arkansas State as a flagship school in Arkansas?


lolololololololo

Yup. I'm not talking out of my a$$ here. Funny how people make dumb assumptions based on athletics. That's the kind of school you want to be associated with. Lots of states have 2 major university systems. The "state" system and the University of ____ system. They operate completely independent of the U of ___ system. Unfortunately in NC we all fall under one system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Unive...stitutions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_State_University

By that logic, the University of Memphis is the FLAGSHIP of the Tennessee Board of Regents (not afiliated with the University of Tennessee system).

http://www.tbr.edu/default.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Board_of_Regents

(02-04-2012 10:29 PM)PATiger Wrote:  By that logic, the University of Memphis is the FLAGSHIP of the Tennessee Board of Regents (not afiliated with the University of Tennessee system).

http://www.tbr.edu/default.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Board_of_Regents

I'm very familiar with what you're talking about though from living in Tennesseee for a few years. I actually lived in Cookeville home of Tennessee Tech. They're definately NOT part of the UT-Knoxville, UT-Chatanooga, etc. system.

Found it.....you're right UofM is the flagship of that system. I didn't realize that.

(02-03-2012 09:07 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  If Memphis does leave for the Big East. That further puts Marshall & ECU on an island alone. Is joing the Alliance still the best thing for us, or should we look at something different?

We are Pirates, we love an Island

(02-04-2012 10:39 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 10:29 PM)PATiger Wrote:  By that logic, the University of Memphis is the FLAGSHIP of the Tennessee Board of Regents (not afiliated with the University of Tennessee system).

http://www.tbr.edu/default.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Board_of_Regents

I'm very familiar with what you're talking about though from living in Tennesseee for a few years. I actually lived in Cookeville home of Tennessee Tech. They're definately NOT part of the UT-Knoxville, UT-Chatanooga, etc. system.

Found it.....you're right UofM is the flagship of that system. I didn't realize that.

Memphis has an endowment almost four times larger than that of MTSU and a campus three times larger. There's little doubt that Memphis is the big dog in the TBOR system.



We're currently lobbying Tennessee governor Bill Haslam for our own independent system and he is preparing legislation for the state legislature to make it happen.

http://www.dailyhelmsman.com/news/haslam...-1.2743143

Usually a flagship school is the main campus such as UT-Austin or a UT-Knoxville or even a UNT-Denton which is a DFW or North Texas Metroplex university system. http://untsystem.edu/

If endowments mean't a school would be successful in athletics then check out the Top 50 wealthiest schools to see for yourselves that that isn't always the case.

How Endowments Work: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/endo...z1lTdhOsOd

Also.....schools are usually not allowed to use any of their respective endowment monies to fund anything related to athletics.

One of the 2 links below will give the most up to date endowments fo all FBS and FCS schools. A schools endowment can fluctate upward dramatically in one year if their investments effective.

The Rankings


http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...7_2012.pdf

(02-04-2012 11:12 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  Usually a flagship school is the main campus such as UT-Austin or a UT-Knoxville or even a UNT-Denton which is a DFW or North Texas Metroplex university system. http://untsystem.edu/

If endowments mean't a school would be successful in athletics then check out the Top 50 wealthiest schools to see for yourselves that that isn't always the case.

How Endowments Work: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/endo...z1lTdhOsOd

Also.....schools are usually not allowed to use any of their respective endowment monies to fund anything related to athletics.

One of the 2 links below will give the most up to date endowments fo all FBS and FCS schools. A schools endowment can fluctate upward dramatically in one year if their investments effective.

The Rankings

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...7_2012.pdf

You certainly don't make a case for UNT with your argument.

Jeez.....pUNT fan. Although the name "University of Memphis" doesn't make it obvious, Memphis is the flagship of the Board of Regents University system in TN. Just another reason losing Memphis would suck.

"The University of Memphis is an American public research university located in the Normal Station neighborhood of Memphis, Tennessee and is the flagship public research university of the Tennessee Board of Regents system."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_memphis

Not to hijack this thread any more than has been done already, but I would miss playing our CUSA buddies and would hope to see several of you on our OOC schedule if we do leave.

(02-04-2012 11:13 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:12 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  Usually a flagship school is the main campus such as UT-Austin or a UT-Knoxville or even a UNT-Denton which is a DFW or North Texas Metroplex university system. http://untsystem.edu/

If endowments mean't a school would be successful in athletics then check out the Top 50 wealthiest schools to see for yourselves that that isn't always the case.

How Endowments Work: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/endo...z1lTdhOsOd

Also.....schools are usually not allowed to use any of their respective endowment monies to fund anything related to athletics.

One of the 2 links below will give the most up to date endowments fo all FBS and FCS schools. A schools endowment can fluctate upward dramatically in one year if their investments effective.

The Rankings

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...7_2012.pdf

You certainly don't make a case for UNT with your argument.

Wasn't trying to make a case for North Texas or any school, but the CUSA football champion of this last Fall proves that you don't have to have the largest endowment to have a good athletic program. The link has USM's foundation at approx. $60,000,000.

North Texas endowment could fluctate upward another $10 million this year depending on our investments. I think the link has us at a bit over $110,000,000 now. NOTE: UNT's goal is to reach $400 million in order to attain research status and Tier 1 in the state of Texas. Our fundraisers and investors have much work to do, but this is Texas, so there are some in this state who with the stroke of one signature on a check could help us get close or reach our goal very quickly. We have one alum in Taiwan who recently gave the school $20,000,000 and that is a drop in the bucket for what his worth has been said to be.

I know this board likes to compete with everything from tiddley winks to barrell racing and for certain each school has its own special strengths and weaknesses, but if you read the UNT System link at the top of this post I'm not quite sure where you are coming from with the usual negative comments given to anyone that did not attend ECU usually receive.

USM competes in football and baseball because they are in a fertile recruiting area for both sports and they spend a good chunk of their meager budget on those two sports.

If Memphis decided to siphon money from basketball and put it in football, the results would be very much the same.

If you look at programs like BSU, they have great football but the rest of their athletics are a dumpster fire.

UNT doesn't appear to be good at football or basketball. What do you spend your money on?

(02-04-2012 11:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  USM competes in football and baseball because they are in a fertile recruiting area for both sports and they spend a good chunk of their meager budget on those two sports.

If Memphis decided to siphon money from basketball and put it in football, the results would be very much the same.

If you look at programs like BSU, they have great football but the rest of their athletics are a dumpster fire.

UNT doesn't appear to be good at football or basketball. What do you spend your money on?

Wine, women and song, but we will spend whatever it takes to have a program just like your outstanding one, especially that top ranked Tiger football program. Whoops, I'm sorry, I have yall confused with Louisville again.

(02-04-2012 11:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  USM competes in football and baseball because they are in a fertile recruiting area for both sports and they spend a good chunk of their meager budget on those two sports.

If Memphis decided to siphon money from basketball and put it in football, the results would be very much the same.

If you look at programs like BSU, they have great football but the rest of their athletics are a dumpster fire.

UNT doesn't appear to be good at football or basketball. What do you spend your money on?

Damn then how the hell are they winning the league in basketball if they are siphoning all their money to the other 2 sports? Weak excuse for you to use.

(02-04-2012 11:43 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  USM competes in football and baseball because they are in a fertile recruiting area for both sports and they spend a good chunk of their meager budget on those two sports.

If Memphis decided to siphon money from basketball and put it in football, the results would be very much the same.

If you look at programs like BSU, they have great football but the rest of their athletics are a dumpster fire.

UNT doesn't appear to be good at football or basketball. What do you spend your money on?

Wine, women and song, but we will spend whatever it takes to have a program just like your outstanding one, especially that top ranked Tiger football program. Whoops, I'm sorry, I have yall confused with Louisville again.

Memphis is 16-4 against UNT so you're not getting your money's worth.

(02-04-2012 11:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  USM competes in football and baseball because they are in a fertile recruiting area for both sports and they spend a good chunk of their meager budget on those two sports.

If Memphis decided to siphon money from basketball and put it in football, the results would be very much the same.

If you look at programs like BSU, they have great football but the rest of their athletics are a dumpster fire.

UNT doesn't appear to be good at football or basketball. What do you spend your money on?

Damn then how the hell are they winning the league in basketball if they are siphoning all their money to the other 2 sports? Weak excuse for you to use.

They took a chance and hired a good coach that had ran his career into the dumpster with his alcoholism. The gamble paid off after eight years. Any idea how much he makes?

(02-04-2012 11:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  USM competes in football and baseball because they are in a fertile recruiting area for both sports and they spend a good chunk of their meager budget on those two sports.

If Memphis decided to siphon money from basketball and put it in football, the results would be very much the same.

If you look at programs like BSU, they have great football but the rest of their athletics are a dumpster fire.

UNT doesn't appear to be good at football or basketball. What do you spend your money on?

Without looking it up, I believe you already spend as much or more as we do on football.

Though suites, top 15 attendance and donations, baseball pays its own way.

We are successful because we know the worth of a dollar and spend it accordingly.

Memphis's problem is weak arse program leadership. With RCJ gone maybe that changes.

(02-04-2012 11:58 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  USM competes in football and baseball because they are in a fertile recruiting area for both sports and they spend a good chunk of their meager budget on those two sports.

If Memphis decided to siphon money from basketball and put it in football, the results would be very much the same.

If you look at programs like BSU, they have great football but the rest of their athletics are a dumpster fire.

UNT doesn't appear to be good at football or basketball. What do you spend your money on?

Damn then how the hell are they winning the league in basketball if they are siphoning all their money to the other 2 sports? Weak excuse for you to use.

They took a chance and hired a good coach that had ran his career into the dumpster with his alcoholism. The gamble paid off after eight years. Any idea how much he makes?

I hadn't seen it from that perspective but if it took 8 years for the rehabbed coach to turn them into a very good basketball program, maybe there is still hope for our rehabbed football coach when he gets into his 9th year this fall! USM is showing everyone that you do things right, have some patience, good things can happen. Good for them.