(02-04-2012 11:54 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:43 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 11:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  USM competes in football and baseball because they are in a fertile recruiting area for both sports and they spend a good chunk of their meager budget on those two sports.

If Memphis decided to siphon money from basketball and put it in football, the results would be very much the same.

If you look at programs like BSU, they have great football but the rest of their athletics are a dumpster fire.

UNT doesn't appear to be good at football or basketball. What do you spend your money on?

Wine, women and song, but we will spend whatever it takes to have a program just like your outstanding one, especially that top ranked Tiger football program. Whoops, I'm sorry, I have yall confused with Louisville again.

Memphis is 16-4 against UNT so you're not getting your money's worth.

Yeah? And Memphis and Tennessee were the reason the War Between the States was lost, too! Jeez, dude, get relevant for a freakin' change! You live in the past way too much.

Quite frankly, the University of North Texas is located in a state which is the world's 13'th largest economy and we rarely give 2 hoots, a holler or 5 seconds of thought about your sewage smelling city or school, either. Your school is as irrelevant to us as your posts and continued use of half naked women to (I suppose) express to all on this forum the stud-muffin' that you seem to see yourself as.

Now, lets talk about that Tiger football since you also seem to see your athletic program as the NCAA's next juggernaut. Your continued boner for North Texas, though, most pyschologist could explain to you your obsession with that and (amazingly) green might be the very color of the word that best describes it. How old are you? 12?

In sales, the salesman who constantly puts down competing companies usually means he is not a good salesman and/or his company he's employed ain't worth a jar of warm spit. I think your posts suggests what kind of salesman you would be. (Hey! You drew first blood and I am only responding to that in kind).

Have A Nice Day!

And a fan who brags about population and market is one who is a fan of a bad program. Do you have a single positive athletic accomplishment in the last 5 years you could brag about in a revenue sport, since you are the one asking for things that are relevant? I don't care about Texas' economy, last I checked that doesn't win you a single game.

(02-05-2012 09:14 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  And a fan who brags about population and market is one who is a fan of a bad program. Do you have a single positive athletic accomplishment in the last 5 years you could brag about in a revenue sport, since you are the one asking for things that are relevant? I don't care about Texas' economy, last I checked that doesn't win you a single game.

Don't encourage it. Thanks for not quoting.

(02-04-2012 08:24 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Can you read? I'm saying those schools become options later down the road, say 5 or 10 years AFTER they've already moved up. The only one that I think could be promoted directly to CUSA is ODU. Look.... CUSA can raid the Sunbelt anytime they want. They don't even have a legit TV deal. So, right now CUSA can add maybe FIU, ASU, LaTech & MTSU. Then the Sunbelt can bring in Ga State and the other FCS schools. After a few years in the Sunbelt we'll still take those "move up" schools any time we want.

I think you are only half right. Right now, C-USA can raid the Belt. Five or ten years from now, that may not be the case. After the merger happens, if the C-USA side doesn't expand, the Sun Belt will have more time to improve our product. If the merger falls apart down the road, the C-USA half may find it difficult to lure away Sun Belt programs. North Texas has interest in C-USA because we value Tulsa and Rice. Should the Sun Belt become comparable to the remaining C-USA programs after a failed merger with the MWC, the interest might not be there. Plus, C-USA could still lose more programs to the Big East, further weakening their leverage.

Even if C-USA did raid the Sun Belt, the Belt would not add FCS teams. There are plenty of WAC programs in need of a better situation. The idea of using the Sun Belt to groom new eastern FCS schools for C-USA, won't work. Those FCS programs may be an option for C-USA down the road, but you won't aquire them from the Sun Belt. If C-USA wants them, they will have to add them straight from the FCS ranks, and further weaken Conference USA.


I miss football season...

(02-05-2012 09:47 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 08:24 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Can you read? I'm saying those schools become options later down the road, say 5 or 10 years AFTER they've already moved up. The only one that I think could be promoted directly to CUSA is ODU. Look.... CUSA can raid the Sunbelt anytime they want. They don't even have a legit TV deal. So, right now CUSA can add maybe FIU, ASU, LaTech & MTSU. Then the Sunbelt can bring in Ga State and the other FCS schools. After a few years in the Sunbelt we'll still take those "move up" schools any time we want.

I think you are only half right. Right now, C-USA can raid the Belt. Five or ten years from now, that may not be the case. After the merger happens, if the C-USA side doesn't expand, the Sun Belt will have more time to improve our product. If the merger falls apart down the road, the C-USA half may find it difficult to lure away Sun Belt programs. North Texas has interest in C-USA because we value Tulsa and Rice. Should the Sun Belt become comparable to the remaining C-USA programs after a failed merger with the MWC, the interest might not be there. Plus, C-USA could still lose more programs to the Big East, further weakening their leverage.

Even if C-USA did raid the Sun Belt, the Belt would not add FCS teams. There are plenty of WAC programs in need of a better situation. The idea of using the Sun Belt to groom new eastern FCS schools for C-USA, won't work. Those FCS programs may be an option for C-USA down the road, but you won't aquire them from the Sun Belt. If C-USA wants them, they will have to add them straight from the FCS ranks, and further weaken Conference USA.

This sounds like the exact same argument we make about the BE, but eventually like all of us had to realize the hard way there is a clearly defined pecking order, and it doesn't matter how many teams someone above you loses if that league still exists they can take from the league lower down. The Sun-Belt is below C-USA. I can't really see any way there are going to be enough defections to change that. ECU, Marshall, UAB, Tulane and USM are going to likely be here no matter what, and teams like MTSU, WKU, either F_U, and La Tech would gladly join that group. You can pretend like UNT would say no to that core of 5 to stay in the Sun-Belt, but we both know they wouldn't. As for not taking FCS schools that's not up for me to decide who you would or wouldn't take, but the FCS schools have far more potential than any of the WAC teams you could add, except maybe La Tech. ODU, GSU, UTSA, and a few others have big time potential and adding a team like NMSU over one of them would just be foolish on the part of Sun-Belt leadership.

(02-05-2012 10:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 09:47 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 08:24 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Can you read? I'm saying those schools become options later down the road, say 5 or 10 years AFTER they've already moved up. The only one that I think could be promoted directly to CUSA is ODU. Look.... CUSA can raid the Sunbelt anytime they want. They don't even have a legit TV deal. So, right now CUSA can add maybe FIU, ASU, LaTech & MTSU. Then the Sunbelt can bring in Ga State and the other FCS schools. After a few years in the Sunbelt we'll still take those "move up" schools any time we want.

I think you are only half right. Right now, C-USA can raid the Belt. Five or ten years from now, that may not be the case. After the merger happens, if the C-USA side doesn't expand, the Sun Belt will have more time to improve our product. If the merger falls apart down the road, the C-USA half may find it difficult to lure away Sun Belt programs. North Texas has interest in C-USA because we value Tulsa and Rice. Should the Sun Belt become comparable to the remaining C-USA programs after a failed merger with the MWC, the interest might not be there. Plus, C-USA could still lose more programs to the Big East, further weakening their leverage.

Even if C-USA did raid the Sun Belt, the Belt would not add FCS teams. There are plenty of WAC programs in need of a better situation. The idea of using the Sun Belt to groom new eastern FCS schools for C-USA, won't work. Those FCS programs may be an option for C-USA down the road, but you won't aquire them from the Sun Belt. If C-USA wants them, they will have to add them straight from the FCS ranks, and further weaken Conference USA.

This sounds like the exact same argument we make about the BE, but eventually like all of us had to realize the hard way there is a clearly defined pecking order, and it doesn't matter how many teams someone above you loses if that league still exists they can take from the league lower down. The Sun-Belt is below C-USA. I can't really see any way there are going to be enough defections to change that. ECU, Marshall, UAB, Tulane and USM are going to likely be here no matter what, and teams like MTSU, WKU, either F_U, and La Tech would gladly join that group. You can pretend like UNT would say no to that core of 5 to stay in the Sun-Belt, but we both know they wouldn't. As for not taking FCS schools that's not up for me to decide who you would or wouldn't take, but the FCS schools have far more potential than any of the WAC teams you could add, except maybe La Tech. ODU, GSU, UTSA, and a few others have big time potential and adding a team like NMSU over one of them would just be foolish on the part of Sun-Belt leadership.

No it is not the same arguement, because the Big East is a BCS conference. The Sun Belt and C-USA are not. That makes a big differrence. The WAC was a strong non-BCS conference too. They are now set to become the worst FBS conference. To be in a conference with Tulane and Southern Miss would be nice, but ECU, Marshall, and UAB really are not an incentive for moving to C-USA. I honestly don't know if USM and Tulane would be enough to sway North Texas to move. We are really enjoying our growing rivalries with Arkansas State, ULL, MTSU, Troy, FIU, and WKU.


I miss football season...

(02-05-2012 09:14 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  And a fan who brags about population and market is one who is a fan of a bad program. Do you have a single positive athletic accomplishment in the last 5 years you could brag about in a revenue sport, since you are the one asking for things that are relevant? I don't care about Texas' economy, last I checked that doesn't win you a single game.

The post below in bold black seems innocent enough until some Memphis and ECU'ers start responding and flaming to even the innocent content of...the post below. What the hell is wrong with some of yall over here anyhow? If anyone posts "the rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain" yall will find a reason with even that to get all pissy and start your usual pointless lagniape. Go get a hobby since responding to posts with totally irrevelant responses doesn't seem to be working out too well for a few of you.

Here is the post that started this most recent onslaught of totally irrevelant responses to the subject at hand and (was it the UNT system link with all that is going on with our school that got some of your panties in a major wad)?::

"Usually a flagship school is the main campus such as UT-Austin or a UT-Knoxville or even a UNT-Denton which is a DFW or North Texas Metroplex university system. http://untsystem.edu/

If endowments mean't a school would be successful in athletics then check out the Top 50 wealthiest schools to see for yourselves that that isn't always the case.

How Endowments Work: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/endo...z1lTdhOsOd

Also.....schools are usually not allowed to use any of their respective endowment monies to fund anything related to athletics.

One of the 2 links below will give the most up to date endowments fo all FBS and FCS schools. A schools endowment can fluctate upward dramatically in one year if their investments are effective.

(I left the link off)

No one cares about UNT. You're not on the short list, but some of your other conference teams are.

(02-05-2012 04:45 PM)PATiger Wrote:  No one cares about UNT. You're not on the short list, but some of your other conference teams are.

You could be right. UNT might not be on the short list, but if we are not, that would be C-USA's loss. North Texas is improving, and will become a bigger player in college football.

If you have the short list, please let me know who is on it.


I miss football season...

(02-04-2012 08:24 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Can you read? I'm saying those schools become options later down the road, say 5 or 10 years AFTER they've already moved up. The only one that I think could be promoted directly to CUSA is ODU. Look.... CUSA can raid the Sunbelt anytime they want. They don't even have a legit TV deal. So, right now CUSA can add maybe FIU, ASU, LaTech & MTSU. Then the Sunbelt can bring in Ga State and the other FCS schools. After a few years in the Sunbelt we'll still take those "move up" schools any time we want.

Yes I can read can you? That's no news that conference USA can raid the Sun Belt right now however, your conference is not in a position to do so. The Sun belt is on the verge of top 25 teams, has coaches turning down coaching offers from AQ teams, and is recruiting very well. The bridge between the Belt and conference USA will probably be gone in two years especially if we have a better season than the last one TV deals will be offered now that we have shown a pulse.

But like I said with your alliance your not in a position to raid anyone and it really helps us if it last a few years then falls apart. And your omitting the fact that in five years schools like ODU cannot just up and decide to move up. Someone would have to add them and it certainly won't be the Sun Belt unless we lost a drastic amount of teams and drastic means around six because even if we lost three teams UTSA and others are available.

(02-05-2012 05:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is improving, and will become a bigger player in college football.

That statement is false.

(02-05-2012 04:45 PM)PATiger Wrote:  No one cares about UNT. You're not on the short list, but some of your other conference teams are.

Jennifer Tilly cares because even she knows we have a large number of coeds on our campus (quite well known for our Texas beauties) that could make her look like A'Tilly the Hun! She'll need anothe boob job just to keep up (or keep them up) compared our our Texas beauties.

Get over your "nobody cares about UNT" diatribes, too, because you know that the right people (not you) do care about UNT, but moreso our #4 ranked TV market (of which we have more constituents tied directly or indirectly to our school than even UT and TAMU). Add wins to all that, baby, and you have another helluva' slobber-knockin' Texas-based university on the rise.

I think now its probably my "makes too much sense" signature below that has some of you poor southern boy's panties all wadded up.

Now about your short list once again? To quote Ross Perot: "I'm all ears!":drunk:

UNTroll, no one cares about your weak program. Go away.

(02-05-2012 06:58 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 05:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is improving, and will become a bigger player in college football.

That statement is false.

I guess you can write that, but without some kind of evidence, it doesn't carry much weight. North Texas is increasing funding to athletic programs when most non-BCS programs are either not willing or able to. That is the truth. UNT is moving up the football food chain whether you like it or not.


I miss football season...

(02-05-2012 11:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 06:58 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 05:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is improving, and will become a bigger player in college football.

That statement is false.

I guess you can write that, but without some kind of evidence, it doesn't carry much weight. North Texas is increasing funding to athletic programs when most non-BCS programs are either not willing or able to. That is the truth. UNT is moving up the football food chain whether you like it or not.


I miss football season...

Seven consecutive losing seasons in football prove otherwise.

Two NCAA men's basketball tournament bids in the last 24 years isn't impressing anyone either.

All I see is proof that UNT is awful. You're not even up to Sun Belt standards, much less CUSA standards.

(02-05-2012 11:23 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 11:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 06:58 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 05:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is improving, and will become a bigger player in college football.

That statement is false.

I guess you can write that, but without some kind of evidence, it doesn't carry much weight. North Texas is increasing funding to athletic programs when most non-BCS programs are either not willing or able to. That is the truth. UNT is moving up the football food chain whether you like it or not.


I miss football season...

Seven consecutive losing seasons in football prove otherwise.

Two NCAA men's basketball tournament bids in the last 24 years isn't impressing anyone either.

All I see is proof that UNT is awful. You're not even up to Sun Belt standards, much less CUSA standards.

One man's idea of "awful" is another man's golden opportunity. Has Memfuss St. ever been awful? I'm most assured your school hasn't been awful since your school has so dominated CUSA in every sport. (not)

And if Memfus State is such a hot property, why did SMU get "your" place in the Big East? And just what has Memfuss' State done lately of a national stature since you seem to see your school as the 2'nd Coming of Notre Dame? North Texas is making no claims of greatness at this time, but we now have the vehicle (starting with a new world class stadium) and leadership (President/Dr. Lane Rawlins, you've heard of him, right?) that can get our football program back to the same kind of bowl games Alliance schools and Memfuss State go to. Seems we went to 4 bowl games just last decade as I recall and oh, yes, yall beat us, but we won one against what is now a Big East school.

So get a life, southern dumb-dumb, that doesn't include an obsession with the University of North Texas. You can get special help for such obsessions, you know? Dr. Phil, maybe? He's "Dr." Phil because he got his Phd in Psychology at guess what school in the northern part of Texas less than 35 minutes north of Dallas and Fort Worth?

Way to ruin another good thread pUNT. Seriously, screw all of you. Just put every one of you on ignore.

(02-06-2012 09:30 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 11:23 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 11:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 06:58 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 05:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is improving, and will become a bigger player in college football.

That statement is false.

I guess you can write that, but without some kind of evidence, it doesn't carry much weight. North Texas is increasing funding to athletic programs when most non-BCS programs are either not willing or able to. That is the truth. UNT is moving up the football food chain whether you like it or not.


I miss football season...

Seven consecutive losing seasons in football prove otherwise.

Two NCAA men's basketball tournament bids in the last 24 years isn't impressing anyone either.

All I see is proof that UNT is awful. You're not even up to Sun Belt standards, much less CUSA standards.

One man's idea of "awful" is another man's golden opportunity. Has Memfuss St. ever been awful? I'm most assured your school hasn't been awful since your school has so dominated CUSA in every sport. (not)

And if Memfus State is such a hot property, why did SMU get "your" place in the Big East? And just what has Memfuss' State done lately of a national stature since you seem to see your school as the 2'nd Coming of Notre Dame? North Texas is making no claims of greatness at this time, but we now have the vehicle (starting with a new world class stadium) and leadership (President/Dr. Lane Rawlins, you've heard of him, right?) that can get our football program back to the same kind of bowl games Alliance schools and Memfuss State go to. Seems we went to 4 bowl games just last decade as I recall and oh, yes, yall beat us, but we won one against what is now a Big East school.

So get a life, southern dumb-dumb, that doesn't include an obsession with the University of North Texas. You can get special help for such obsessions, you know? Dr. Phil, maybe? He's "Dr." Phil because he got his Phd in Psychology at guess what school in the northern part of Texas less than 35 minutes north of Dallas and Fort Worth?

You idiot. Lane Rawlins was part of the reason Memphis football declined. I'm not sure how much worse yours can get but I assure you if it can, he's just the man to make sure it happens.

As for an obsession, this is OUR CUSA board troll boy. Leave. Now.

(02-05-2012 03:08 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 09:14 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  And a fan who brags about population and market is one who is a fan of a bad program. Do you have a single positive athletic accomplishment in the last 5 years you could brag about in a revenue sport, since you are the one asking for things that are relevant? I don't care about Texas' economy, last I checked that doesn't win you a single game.

The post below in bold black seems innocent enough until some Memphis and ECU'ers start responding and flaming to even the innocent content of...the post below. What the hell is wrong with some of yall over here anyhow? If anyone posts "the rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain" yall will find a reason with even that to get all pissy and start your usual pointless lagniape. Go get a hobby since responding to posts with totally irrevelant responses doesn't seem to be working out too well for a few of you.

So asking what positive athletic accomplishments you have made in the last 5 years in a revenue sport isn't relevant? What is relevant then if accomplishing something on the field or court isn't?

(02-05-2012 11:23 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 11:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 06:58 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-05-2012 05:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is improving, and will become a bigger player in college football.

That statement is false.

I guess you can write that, but without some kind of evidence, it doesn't carry much weight. North Texas is increasing funding to athletic programs when most non-BCS programs are either not willing or able to. That is the truth. UNT is moving up the football food chain whether you like it or not.


I miss football season...

Seven consecutive losing seasons in football prove otherwise.

Two NCAA men's basketball tournament bids in the last 24 years isn't impressing anyone either.

All I see is proof that UNT is awful. You're not even up to Sun Belt standards, much less CUSA standards.

First, congratulations on your invite to the Big East.

Yes, we have had several consecutive losing seasons in football, but last season under first year head coach Dan McCarney, the Mean Green went 5-7. That is a better record then Memphis had last season.

North Texas has had 2 NCAA Men's Tournamnet bids in the last 5 years. That's pretty good.

All I see is proof that UNT is turning it around. We will continue to improve.


I miss football season...