(02-02-2012 01:07 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Ohio put on a defensive clinic last night. They are an excellent team. We did well to score 58 points. I give the team (and MM) a lot of credit for hanging tough. They could have easily folded when we got down 20.

I love how this team keeps fighting and doesn't quit. We need to show them our support. Better times are coming!

+1

I will say I was kind of caught up in the game more than usual. At halftime I looked across the aisle and saw Doeren sitting there 10 feet away, a couple rows down. Don't even know how long he'd been sitting there.

Although we don't seem to have the players, I've never watched a team with so many freshmen on it, except Michigan's Fab 5. These guys will improve but we need to get some more talent over the next couple years before we'll even get to .500. I think MM will manage to get there.

(02-03-2012 08:25 AM)High On NIU Hoops Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:00 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  These are many of the points I have made many times before. Saying that Nader at times looks bad because of the other players is just ridiculous. This team is not showing any significant improvement.

I am now convinced you understand very little about college basketball. Maybe sports in general. You expect improvement from freshmen in areas that just don't occur at much of a level during the season. Shooting skills, other individual offensive skills, strength, etc. take off-seasons of development. During the season you see teams develop more than individuals - AND THAT IS VERY OBVIOUS TO SEE HAPPENING!. I would argue that the individuals are also getting a little better which makes what I see even that much better. The fact that Chaz and maybe some others can't see the team improvement I can live with assuming they just don't understand basketball very well. But you can't just look at records and scores for it.

Trying to say you are claiming players aren't getting a lot better during the season is not something to hang your argument hat on! Players just don't develop much during a season except on learning some new techniques or ways of doing things in the coach's system. That is happening. If you want to see the improvement I think you keep harping on over and over and over - you need to judge it from year to year. And these guys have a lot of years left.

Further proof of lack of understanding - EVERY player in EVERY team sport is better with better players around them. Doesn't it seem impossible not to be? My goodness.......

Sounds like you have given up on this year and are rolling out that "wait till next year" garbage. Nothing else to hope for is there.

(02-03-2012 11:14 AM)chazb2 Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 08:25 AM)High On NIU Hoops Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 06:00 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  These are many of the points I have made many times before. Saying that Nader at times looks bad because of the other players is just ridiculous. This team is not showing any significant improvement.

I am now convinced you understand very little about college basketball. Maybe sports in general. You expect improvement from freshmen in areas that just don't occur at much of a level during the season. Shooting skills, other individual offensive skills, strength, etc. take off-seasons of development. During the season you see teams develop more than individuals - AND THAT IS VERY OBVIOUS TO SEE HAPPENING!. I would argue that the individuals are also getting a little better which makes what I see even that much better. The fact that Chaz and maybe some others can't see the team improvement I can live with assuming they just don't understand basketball very well. But you can't just look at records and scores for it.

Trying to say you are claiming players aren't getting a lot better during the season is not something to hang your argument hat on! Players just don't develop much during a season except on learning some new techniques or ways of doing things in the coach's system. That is happening. If you want to see the improvement I think you keep harping on over and over and over - you need to judge it from year to year. And these guys have a lot of years left.

Further proof of lack of understanding - EVERY player in EVERY team sport is better with better players around them. Doesn't it seem impossible not to be? My goodness.......

Sounds like you have given up on this year and are rolling out that "wait till next year" garbage. Nothing else to hope for is there.

Huh? What does pointing out your lack of understanding have to do with my view of this year? Since you probably can't figure it out, I'll tell you: Nothing. I'm trying to explain how you can't find the individual improvement you want in one season, but instead over time including off-seasons.

Given up on what for this year? Given up on them continuing to improve the team improvement that I discussed? Nope - why would I? Given up hope that they can find a couple more wins this season? Nope - why would I? Given up hope that they can still maybe pull off an upset in the 1st round and get to Cleveland? Nope - what purpose would that serve? Given up hope that guys like Storm and Grady can finish with some positives? Of course not. None of that has anything to do with explaining to you that improvement is going on, at least the type than can be going on during a season.

If you still need help understanding, I'm afraid I can't help you because I'm apparently not a good enough explainer and you aren't seeing the logic.

High On--You have no logic. Explain the areas where this team has improved from game one to now. And don't give me that touchy feely c*ap about how they are getting to know each other and this will mean more wins next season. Please NOT that stuff. If you are truly the bball fan you claim to be you will know what I'm talking about.

High, why would you waste your time, energy or breath on this ignorant troll. He cares not about NIU basketball but his own ability to tear down things. He is not a fan, will never be a fan and obviously never competed in anything beyond arguing with a few acquaintances (such people can rarely maintain friendships) at a bar somewhere. On top of that, it is highly unlikely he has ever seen these young pups in person because those of us that have see and feel the intensity they put forth on every possession....for that MM should be lauded because it ain't easy, being down 20 and having lost 18 games, to keep bringing it each time the ball changes hands....I love this group and am certain, with the additional pieces coming and their continued growth, they will be successful over then next couple of years. In the meantime, I will enjoy and applaud there efforts and thank them for the entertainment.

(02-03-2012 05:57 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  High, why would you waste your time, energy or breath on this ignorant troll. He cares not about NIU basketball but his own ability to tear down things. He is not a fan, will never be a fan and obviously never competed in anything beyond arguing with a few acquaintances (such people can rarely maintain friendships) at a bar somewhere. On top of that, it is highly unlikely he has ever seen these young pups in person because those of us that have see and feel the intensity they put forth on every possession....for that MM should be lauded because it ain't easy, being down 20 and having lost 18 games, to keep bringing it each time the ball changes hands....I love this group and am certain, with the additional pieces coming and their continued growth, they will be successful over then next couple of years. In the meantime, I will enjoy and applaud there efforts and thank them for the entertainment.

Nice post.

I've seen alot of games this year and yes I've seen improvement. Of course it isn't like it's constant or consistent but it never is. It's an ebb and flow. Monty's got them playing hard and the biggest problem is the lack of talent which will be addressed with future recruiting classes.

(02-03-2012 06:44 PM)7huskie6 Wrote:  I've seen alot of games this year and yes I've seen improvement. Of course it isn't like it's constant or consistent but it never is. It's an ebb and flow. Monty's got them playing hard and the biggest problem is the lack of talent which will be addressed with future recruiting classes.

You are right--the " improvement" has not been constant or consistent which makes it a lack of improvement. You are also right when you say the biggest problem is the lack of talent. I tatally agree. I sure hope this will be addressed with future classes because it is such an obvious need.

As a side note I saw guys like Allan Rayhorn, Tim Dillon, Donald Whiteside. T. J. Lux, Kenny Battle, Paul Dawkins and others play as freshmen and you could just see outstanding bball talent that showed consistent improvement during their freshmen year. I see nothing like that on this team.

(02-03-2012 07:32 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  As a side note I saw guys like Allan Rayhorn, Tim Dillon, Donald Whiteside. T. J. Lux, Kenny Battle, Paul Dawkins and others play as freshmen and you could just see outstanding bball talent that showed consistent improvement during their freshmen year. I see nothing like that on this team.

Most of these guys did not need to be the man. When they were freshman, Dawkins had Hicks, Rayhorn had Dawkins, Dillion had Rayhorn.

(02-03-2012 07:49 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 07:32 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  As a side note I saw guys like Allan Rayhorn, Tim Dillon, Donald Whiteside. T. J. Lux, Kenny Battle, Paul Dawkins and others play as freshmen and you could just see outstanding bball talent that showed consistent improvement during their freshmen year. I see nothing like that on this team.

Most of these guys did not need to be the man. When they were freshman, Dawkins had Hicks, Rayhorn had Dawkins, Dillion had Rayhorn.

Who said they were the man. Regardless, they had talent that any knowledgeable bball fan could see and they improved as their freshmen season progressed. That kind of improvement does not exist on this team.

(02-03-2012 05:47 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  High On--You have no logic. Explain the areas where this team has improved from game one to now. And don't give me that touchy feely c*ap about how they are getting to know each other and this will mean more wins next season. Please NOT that stuff. If you are truly the bball fan you claim to be you will know what I'm talking about.

Good Gracious Man. Do you even read the reply posts to you? I have talked NUMEROUS times about the improvement in the team play. The way they move the ball, the way they are reading screens and making the right cuts, the way they are defending as a team, the way they rebound as a team, all those type of things that teams improve on during the season. THAT IS IMPROVEMENT. How can you be so thick not to understand that. Not being able to see it yourself - fine - you don't know the game and what to notice. But to deny that improvement is there with that lack of knowledge to see it just proves my points I've been making all along about you - so thank you for that.

The individual improvement you seem so caught up on will come. It just normally doesn't come as much during the season. I remember hearing some coach (probably NBA or college) say something like teams are improved during the season, players are improved in the off-season.

If you need to, read the post again. Maybe you will finally understand. Not holding my breath, however.

(02-03-2012 07:58 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 07:49 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(02-03-2012 07:32 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  As a side note I saw guys like Allan Rayhorn, Tim Dillon, Donald Whiteside. T. J. Lux, Kenny Battle, Paul Dawkins and others play as freshmen and you could just see outstanding bball talent that showed consistent improvement during their freshmen year. I see nothing like that on this team.

Most of these guys did not need to be the man. When they were freshman, Dawkins had Hicks, Rayhorn had Dawkins, Dillion had Rayhorn.

Who said they were the man. Regardless, they had talent that any knowledgeable bball fan could see and they improved as their freshmen season progressed. That kind of improvement does not exist on this team.

Again, you don't understand sports at all. I'm so convinced. Those guys had a compliment of seniors, juniors and much more experience around them. That is so huge. They weren't relied on to be major factors because of that. Can't you even see how that can play into it? They were able to develop at their own pace, they were able to learn from the experienced players. Our freshmen had Storm who is a high quality guy from what I can tell but who was limited on experience by the previous coach and injuries. I'm sure he has helped them in some other leadership ways. After that, Toler was just a 2nd year senior and who may not have been a good leader, obviously. Nixon is a junior who also has been limited in experience time for various reasons. None of those guys you mentioned had that little leadership and experience on their team.

Chaz, you are exhausting. But, I feel I have it in me to try to get you to learn something about college athletics, especially basketball. Unless you are, like I kind of suspect, just an ******* who is trying to entertain himself and try to make such ignorant comments on purpose - Then I need to just give up and ignore ignorance.

High On--As usual your rambling posts say nothing. I suspect you are an ******* who knows nothing about bball.

move on kids

OK. I'll choose the ignore ignorance option.

Hey High On-- Nobody talking about BG game? I guess everybody has realized this will be the worst team in NIU bball history. Or could it be there was so much improvement everyone is stunned?

(02-06-2012 05:32 PM)chazb2 Wrote:  Hey High On-- Nobody talking about BG game? I guess everybody has realized this will be the worst team in NIU bball history. Or could it be there was so much improvement everyone is stunned?

Are you taking delight in this, or what?

NIU007--No delight just embarrassment and sadness.