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(02-02-2012 05:04 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 04:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Well, if that's all true, then the rankings are at least as useless if not moreso than we all thought before. Speaking of which, it appears that NIU has the Russian judge doing their rankings.

That can be your opinion, but someone asked Nick Saban about this yesterday and he said that rankings do mean a lot. He said team rankings don't mean anything to him, but if he is bringing in a lot of highly rated recruits he has a better chance of coaching them into champions. So, Nick Saban disagrees with your opinion.

Nick Saban is recruiting top players who get a lot of looks from a lot of people. Not your average 2 or 3-star guy who most people never see.
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(02-02-2012 05:15 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 05:04 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 04:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Well, if that's all true, then the rankings are at least as useless if not moreso than we all thought before. Speaking of which, it appears that NIU has the Russian judge doing their rankings.

That can be your opinion, but someone asked Nick Saban about this yesterday and he said that rankings do mean a lot. He said team rankings don't mean anything to him, but if he is bringing in a lot of highly rated recruits he has a better chance of coaching them into champions. So, Nick Saban disagrees with your opinion.

Nick Saban is recruiting top players who get a lot of looks from a lot of people. Not your average 2 or 3-star guy who most people never see.

So you're saying a 3 star prospect that has multiple BCS offers is someone that most people never see? What about the couple of four star recruits on Scout.com that MAC schools brought in? I know there are at least two.....a RB for Temple and a WR for Toledo.
02-02-2012 06:32 PM
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RE: Stars, Give Me Stars
(02-02-2012 05:04 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 04:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Well, if that's all true, then the rankings are at least as useless if not moreso than we all thought before. Speaking of which, it appears that NIU has the Russian judge doing their rankings.

That can be your opinion, but someone asked Nick Saban about this yesterday and he said that rankings do mean a lot. He said team rankings don't mean anything to him, but if he is bringing in a lot of highly rated recruits he has a better chance of coaching them into champions. So, Nick Saban disagrees with your opinion.
And I disagree with you..and really is Nick Saban your idea of a an ideal coach and teacher of students?..I know that he wins but he is not loyal to anybody nor any institution . To me using the star system simply means that he does not want to waste time recruiting. Just show up at 5 star homes.
02-02-2012 07:41 PM
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(02-02-2012 07:41 PM)66Huskie Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 05:04 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 04:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Well, if that's all true, then the rankings are at least as useless if not moreso than we all thought before. Speaking of which, it appears that NIU has the Russian judge doing their rankings.

That can be your opinion, but someone asked Nick Saban about this yesterday and he said that rankings do mean a lot. He said team rankings don't mean anything to him, but if he is bringing in a lot of highly rated recruits he has a better chance of coaching them into champions. So, Nick Saban disagrees with your opinion.
And I disagree with you..and really is Nick Saban your idea of a an ideal coach and teacher of students?..I know that he wins but he is not loyal to anybody nor any institution . To me using the star system simply means that he does not want to waste time recruiting. Just show up at 5 star homes.

I don't think you are listening to what I said, or Saban said. Nowhere did I or he say that he just looks at who is ranked 5 stars and starts recruiting them. Not too many coaches recruit someone because of their star ranking......in fact, most coaches are already recruiting kids long before they are in the recruiting service databases.
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(02-02-2012 12:52 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  I personally got film from three of Toledo's unrated commits and sent it to the Rivals recruiting analyst for the recruits area and they in turn rated them three stars based on the film. One of these kids had three offers, all from MAC schools, but he did commit to Toledo in June so he was off the radar after that.
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The recruiting service is not in the business of predicting how well a player develops in college, ......they are ranking how good a player is today before he even steps foot on campus.

The ranking systems are in the business to make money - they create the "illusion" of value with "star" assignments of HS athletes (then sell subscriptions to fans and coaches to monetize upon this illusion).
BCS schools attract from the Rivals 250+, Non-BCS schools attract from the remaining pool. So in general non-BCS coaches would want players to be undervalued (having a lower star rating than their performance warrants) giving them an advantage of signing really good players who are ignored by the BSC schools due to their star ranking. If I was a fan of a MAC school I am not sure I would send a tape to Rivals to have a recruit evaluated as it would just invite poaching.
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(02-02-2012 11:32 PM)NIUpride Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 12:52 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  I personally got film from three of Toledo's unrated commits and sent it to the Rivals recruiting analyst for the recruits area and they in turn rated them three stars based on the film. One of these kids had three offers, all from MAC schools, but he did commit to Toledo in June so he was off the radar after that.
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The recruiting service is not in the business of predicting how well a player develops in college, ......they are ranking how good a player is today before he even steps foot on campus.

The ranking systems are in the business to make money - they create the "illusion" of value with "star" assignments of HS athletes (then sell subscriptions to fans and coaches to monetize upon this illusion).
BCS schools attract from the Rivals 250+, Non-BCS schools attract from the remaining pool. So in general non-BCS coaches would want players to be undervalued (having a lower star rating than their performance warrants) giving them an advantage of signing really good players who are ignored by the BSC schools due to their star ranking. If I was a fan of a MAC school I am not sure I would send a tape to Rivals to have a recruit evaluated as it would just invite poaching.

Yep, and when they rate someone a 5.5 vs. a 5.4? Now we're really talking guesswork.
02-03-2012 10:43 AM
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(02-02-2012 06:32 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 05:15 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 05:04 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 04:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Well, if that's all true, then the rankings are at least as useless if not moreso than we all thought before. Speaking of which, it appears that NIU has the Russian judge doing their rankings.

That can be your opinion, but someone asked Nick Saban about this yesterday and he said that rankings do mean a lot. He said team rankings don't mean anything to him, but if he is bringing in a lot of highly rated recruits he has a better chance of coaching them into champions. So, Nick Saban disagrees with your opinion.

Nick Saban is recruiting top players who get a lot of looks from a lot of people. Not your average 2 or 3-star guy who most people never see.

So you're saying a 3 star prospect that has multiple BCS offers is someone that most people never see? What about the couple of four star recruits on Scout.com that MAC schools brought in? I know there are at least two.....a RB for Temple and a WR for Toledo.

When you say BCS are you talking Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma? Or are you talking Minnesota, Vanderbilt, Kansas? They get different kinds of players. If there are players good enough to be 4-star they might be good enough to stick out from the crowd. In the tails of the bell curve, so to speak. The 2 and 3 star type guys are all in the middle and very hard to judge who is better than whom.
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