Let's hope Freeman is back today, freeing-up Merthie for some 3s. The Camels should seek revenge for losing to UNCA after leading by double digits (18?) in the 1st half. Also need to shake-off the loss at G-W.

Should be an exciting game. It would have been a beautiful day to drive up Old Fort Mountain and catch this game, but just way too busy today.

If anyone goes, tell us about Asheville's new arena.

Sagarin: UNCA by 6

same old, same old. play well in the first half, get smoked in the second.

Going to lose by 21. Poorly played second half. I agree. Out scored by more than 20 in the second half.

I expected as much though. When you lose at home to UNCA in a game you should have won you can't expect to beat them on the road.

If we are to do anything in the tournament we will have to win and UNCA as well. Not going to happen this year.

We needed to win at GW this week becasue this had always been a loss.

Here are the games we should have lost this year - Creigthton, VT, NCSU, UNCA and CC and maybe CSU away. All the others are disappointments.

Griffin can't stay out of foul trouble which is always an issue for us.

We need to win the rest of the games. Can't afford another loss.

(01-28-2012 06:44 PM)camelfan Wrote:  Going to lose by 21. Poorly played second half. I agree. Out scored by more than 20 in the second half.

I expected as much though. When you lose at home to UNCA in a game you should have won you can't expect to beat them on the road.

If we are to do anything in the tournament we will have to win and UNCA as well. Not going to happen this year.

We needed to win at GW this week becasue this had always been a loss.

Here are the games we should have lost this year - Creigthton, VT, NCSU, UNCA and CC and maybe CSU away. All the others are disappointments.

Griffin can't stay out of foul trouble which is always an issue for us.

We need to win the rest of the games. Can't afford another loss.

went to game today. arena is nice but a poorly officiated second half. also poor drfense in second half. i will be glad to see all those seniors gone for unca next year. not giving up but next year looks good for us as a good returning core and unca looses alot.

I think the outcome is very dissappointing as well, but the foul differential was a major issue in the loss. Also White was non existent offensively which hurt.

The school record for wins in a regular season is 19. It's 20 if you count postseason tournament play. I would thoroughly expect CU to challenge that mark. If they do surpass that mark, I don't know how anyone could consider this season anything but a success.

However if you are Division 1 for 34 years (1978) and have had ONE 20 win season, ONE NCAA Tournament Appearance and one ONE regular season championship (2010 Co-champs) in program history, I think getting close to or surpassing those numbers is a solid accomplishment.

At the end of the day regardless of win total, you just need one good week and an NCAA Tournament appearance is possible. I really think things overall are as good as they ever have been with the Campbell program.

I agree with what everyone said. This could still turn out to be a solid year and one in which we could be proud of. The core returning for next year is very exciting.

However, we see what the "good" non-majors like UNCA, CCU, Davidson, etc. do and that's win there winnable games. I'll even offer a small pass on GW, since its a conference game and those are always toss ups. But we can't lose to UNCW, HBU and App to get to that level. With the increased amounts of games now, a lot of non-majors are going to get to 20+ wins. To go from "fun team to watch" like we have now to a team that can compete in the top two of the league, we have to win those games.

The one big difference I see between Campbell and UNCA/CCU is simple. Coastal has 16 wins this season and has NOT played more "like" opponents. By like I mean teams like them, UNCW, App. St., even HBU. UNCA and CCU along with the majority of the Big South have played as many as FOUR non-D1 opponents. They don't put themselves out there a much and therefore they don't afford themselves the opportunity to lose those games.

Also even Asheville and CCU have loses that they can't explain...Asheville lost to a 9-13 Western Carolina and CCU lost to 5-15 FIU team and by 25 to ECU. So it happens even to those schools. They just don't play as many of those games...so they don't lose as many.

Just for the record Campbell played ONE Non-D1 game as a regular season contest. Asheville had 3 and Coastal 4.

I don't have a problem with us scheduling on non d-1 schools. The total wins don't matter that much to me it is just if you win the games you should win and pick up one or two you should not along the way. Playing DII schools and beating them to death does not improve the program. We beat Methodist badly and then started a bad streak of losses.

Losing to teams you should beat. Not being able to beat teams you should beat on the road and losing big leads late on the road in a game you controled as well as losing a game at home that you were up 27 points is disappointing and not acceptable in my opinion. We might do as well as we have done in the past but we certainly should not settle for that. We have a new facility and new and better recruits. There is a different measuring stick than what we did years ago.

We have a tendancy to fall apart in the second half of games when we are up or very close at the half. That has to change. If someone is just better than you and beats you that is one things. We give away too many games in my opinion.

I am definitely in agreement with only scheduling one non-D1. I am just simply responding to the comparison of Asheville and Coastal and why those two teams in particular have the overall records that they do.

Losing to teams you have a chance to beat is never fun but it happens to every team across the country. Kansas lost to Iowa State...Duke to Temple...Asheville to Western Carolina and so on and so forth.

I believe expecting a team and program that has had the history that Campbell has had to win 25 games out of the blue is a bit over zealous. I believe Campbell is building a winning tradition and has been for the last several seasons.

It's just a good thing Campbell is in a place where this is a topic of conversation.

(01-31-2012 12:14 AM)Statman101 Wrote:  I am definitely in agreement with only scheduling one non-D1. I am just simply responding to the comparison of Asheville and Coastal and why those two teams in particular have the overall records that they do.

Losing to teams you have a chance to beat is never fun but it happens to every team across the country. Kansas lost to Iowa State...Duke to Temple...Asheville to Western Carolina and so on and so forth.

I believe expecting a team and program that has had the history that Campbell has had to win 25 games out of the blue is a bit over zealous. I believe Campbell is building a winning tradition and has been for the last several seasons.

It's just a good thing Campbell is in a place where this is a topic of conversation.

i agree statman! i believe we have a bright future with our core of returning players and who is eligable for next year(leonard). i say we will be compeating for the big south championship most every year now and i believe we should with our new arena. i think loosing big leads has happened because this roster has not played together that long yet but with trey improving each year at the point we will get beyond this!

I think the NEW ARENA Theory can be a bit overstated. While I love the new arena and it was muuuuuch needed, Campbell didnt surpass anyone by building it. The school just caught up. It didn't seperate itself from the rest of the country. The school just kept there from being such a huge gap in facilities with pier institutions.

The theory is that at least with a nicer facility, Campbell now has a chance to get a better athlete. I think the level of athlete Campbell has been able to recruit is remarkable over the last several years because even with the new facility, you have to recruit Buies Creek and that's not easy overall.

Regardless I like this team and the progress it has made. The program has been slowly building for years now and I don't think it's stopping anytime soon.

I agree with Statman, after all these year's it is good to have this conversation.

I agree with scheduling only one-non 1 and realize that's how CCU, UNCA and others have padded the overall mark (CCU does this every year I believe) I usually look at RPI records and not ESPN standings to get a true picture anyway. What I meant was we simply have to clean up the bad losses. CCU's "bad" one is FIU (I don't consider ECU and Charleston bad losses). UNCA's is at Western (again, not counting Charleston, they both played CofC before Cremins left). We have three non-conference bad losses. You simply clean two of those up, it makes a difference (especially that HBU game).

If you add conference games, the GWU one is pretty bad, CCU and UNCA don't have a bad conference loss. In other words, the three of us all have right at the same amount of D1 wins (CU and UNCA 13, CCU 12). Trade a couple of our "bad" losses out and it makes a nice difference.

We also dropped a non-D1 home game that would have us at 15-9 (but still only 13 "real" wins) right now to play at NCSU. 100% the right call. We got way more out of that on and off the court than a non-1 win at home.

Gardner Webb is 7-2 at home this year if I recall correctly and up until the CCU game had not lost a conference game by more than six all year. Is it dissappointing? Yes but to say that is a guaranteed win is a bit much.

Overall though I agree with your assessment, Oldcamel.

(01-31-2012 04:16 PM)Statman101 Wrote:  Gardner Webb is 7-2 at home this year if I recall correctly and up until the CCU game had not lost a conference game by more than six all year. Is it dissappointing? Yes but to say that is a guaranteed win is a bit much.

Overall though I agree with your assessment, Oldcamel.

what i ment about the new arena is that it enabled us to atleast keep up. without it we would not have the athletes that we currently have.

I think the areana has helped. I am glad we are doing well.

I stand by my statement that we need to win the games we should win and then need to seal a few we are not suppose to win.

When you are as far ahead as we were in a couple of these games we lost and still lost there is an issue there. We are much better than we are in the past I agree. Glad of it but we still need to take advantage of every opportunity that we have and we like to give to many away in my opinion.

We get that fixed and we will compete every year for the conference. Look forward to it.

(01-31-2012 10:40 PM)camelfan Wrote:  I think the areana has helped. I am glad we are doing well.

I stand by my statement that we need to win the games we should win and then need to seal a few we are not suppose to win.

When you are as far ahead as we were in a couple of these games we lost and still lost there is an issue there. We are much better than we are in the past I agree. Glad of it but we still need to take advantage of every opportunity that we have and we like to give to many away in my opinion.

We get that fixed and we will compete every year for the conference. Look forward to it.

well said camelfan! i agree! lets go camels!