If anyone watched it, what did you think? I might catch it on a rerun on CSPAN.

There really wasn't much attraction to watching one man stand there and lie.

The debates have got us expecting at least four liars at a time.

SOTU TL;DR: It's all broken, and my solutions are more of the same but with great high, floaty, lofty rhetoric.

(01-25-2012 01:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  SOTU TL;DR: It's all broken, and my solutions are more of the same but with great high, floaty, lofty rhetoric.

I doubt that is what was said.

Alright, I'll change from sarcasm to full on RobertN Spin Room trollin':


Obama admitted he was a socialist, admired Karl Marx, hated freedom, couldn't wait to use the NDAA to detain everyone indefinitely, wanted to take everything the rich had so he could extend foodstamps and unemployment and healthcare and public housing indefinitely for anybody making less than $30,000 or willing to voluntarily quit their jobs to collect and never work again, wanted to go to war with Africa, Asia, and the Middle East (all of it), and wants unemployment to be 90% so he can be the indefinite President of dependence while taxing the 10% at 100%, and that he was really born in Kenya.

Obama's SOTU revealed that the Democrats are faced with the prospect of nominating an even weaker candidate for president than the Republicans.

I watched it. Nothing really new. Tax the ones over 1 million and spend more money on clean energy, throw even more $$$ at teacher and police/fire unions and a bunch of tax breaks for companies that hire union members in plants in the manufacturing sector. Blamed Wall street and big oil for greedy profits and big bonuses while never mentioning Obamacare his signature domestic accomplishment or how he would reduce the debt. Proposed another agency/ czar to go after mortgage companies and oil companies. I thought we just got a guy two weeks ago for that, but this is a separate position besides the one going after banks and credit card companies.

(01-25-2012 01:57 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Alright, I'll change from sarcasm to full on RobertN Spin Room trollin':


Obama admitted he was a socialist, admired Karl Marx, hated freedom, couldn't wait to use the NDAA to detain everyone indefinitely, wanted to take everything the rich had so he could extend foodstamps and unemployment and healthcare and public housing indefinitely for anybody making less than $30,000 or willing to voluntarily quit their jobs to collect and never work again, wanted to go to war with Africa, Asia, and the Middle East (all of it), and wants unemployment to be 90% so he can be the indefinite President of dependence while taxing the 10% at 100%, and that he was really born in Kenya.

You actually sound like SOAF.

It was just your typical Obama class warfare campaign speech

(01-25-2012 03:42 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  It was just your typical campaign speech

Great speech if you agreed with the president, fine speech if you were neutral and Marxist indoctrination if you were a wingnut. He reminded the nation that under his administration we had ended a war, killed Bin Laden and saved the U.S. auto industry within the first two minutes. The presidents delivery was perfect but the substance was on par with Dubya's mission to mars. The GOP doesn't have a single candidate that can occupy the same stage as President Obama.

(01-25-2012 06:56 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 03:42 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  It was just your typical campaign speech

Great speech if you agreed with the president, fine speech if you were neutral and Marxist indoctrination if you were a wingnut. He reminded the nation that under his administration we had ended a war, killed Bin Laden and saved the U.S. auto industry within the first two minutes. The presidents delivery was perfect but the substance was on par with Dubya's mission to mars. The GOP doesn't have a single candidate that can occupy the same stage as President Obama.

The problems with claiming the benefits of "winning" in Iraq and killing Bin Laden is that he won't be able to do it for long without giving Bush credit. Obama continued the policies that GWB installed. He never got rid of the Patriot Act - like he promised he would - and he never shut down Guantanimo - again like he promised in the last campaign. He utilized the same surge strategy in Afghanistan that GWB crafted for Iraq. Again, Obama will have to acknowledge GWB for giving him all of the tools and strategies needed to fight the terrorists.

Regarding the auto industry...did he really "save" it? Remember, the gov't bailed out 2 of the Big 3 auto companies. The one that didn't get an actual bailout was Ford. Guess which auto company out of the Big 3 has the best financial stability? Ford is the most stable of the 3 by far. How can that be? It's simple. When you allow the free market to work unencumbered, capital will be distributed much more efficiently and thus those companies that are doing business the right way will benefit. Obama did a huge disservice to Ford by bailing out GM and Chrysler. Ford could have grown its market share and possibly picked up additional resources from GM and Chrysler on the cheap. As a result, Ford could have become significantly stronger and the U.S. would have a stronger auto maker headquartered in the U.S. Since the free market was hindered, we have a moderately strong auto company and 2 weak companies that still need help.

As scary as it sounds, we would be much further ahead today with an economic recovery if the gov't allowed the free market to operate during this downturn. The up front costs would have been significantly higher, but most of our problems would have been behind us. Today, we can't say that because in the end we still have to deal with the same problems because the markets are not allowed to flush out the, bad loans, bad debt and bad companies. It's quite sad, actually.

Great speech, and the timing couldn't be more perfect for Obama. The contrast with the GOP mess couldn't be more stark. Just at the moment when Romney's extraordinary wealth and incredibly low tax rate is being examined, Obama is able to show the country Warren Buffet, his secretary who pays a higher tax rate, and illustrate the great divide in fairness. People are finally understanding what a capital gains tax is. Romney couldn't be a more perfect foil for the populist appeal Obama wants to make. And every day Newt Gingrich remains a contender is a good day for Obama.

Great platitudes. The problem is with the details.

Growing jobs, bringing jobs back to the US, all those things are great. But if I were a business owner, the net effect of everything he talked about last night would be to make me less inclined, not more, to grow jobs here in this country.

I hope Obama means well. But I don't think that he or his closest advisers really understand things from the private sector viewpoint. The things he proposes to do to attract jobs sound great to policy wonks. But when a business owner runs the numbers, they don't appeal.

The problem is that the middle class is getting killed. Taking money from the "wealthy" to redistribute it to the "poor" does nothing for the middle class. And when taking money from the "wealthy" makes investing here look less attractive (and it can't help but do so) then away go high-paying jobs to support the middle class. Trying the kind of whip and carrot stuff that Obama proposes to get jobs to come here and stay doesn't work; he needs to do things that will alter the overall economics of the deals. We need to focus on revitalizing the middle class, and the things Obama proposes to do won't get that done. Neither will what the republicans are proposing.

What we need is a strategy that will attract the kinds of businesses that pay high wages and salaries to productive individuals. What we heard last night--from either side--won't get that done. Go back and read Ross Perot. He had a better idea of what is needed than either of these parties do. Not perfect, he made some mistakes too, but better.

(01-25-2012 08:15 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 06:56 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 03:42 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  It was just your typical campaign speech

Great speech if you agreed with the president, fine speech if you were neutral and Marxist indoctrination if you were a wingnut. He reminded the nation that under his administration we had ended a war, killed Bin Laden and saved the U.S. auto industry within the first two minutes. The presidents delivery was perfect but the substance was on par with Dubya's mission to mars. The GOP doesn't have a single candidate that can occupy the same stage as President Obama.

The problems with claiming the benefits of "winning" in Iraq and killing Bin Laden is that he won't be able to do it for long without giving Bush credit. Obama continued the policies that GWB installed. He never got rid of the Patriot Act - like he promised he would - and he never shut down Guantanimo - again like he promised in the last campaign. He utilized the same surge strategy in Afghanistan that GWB crafted for Iraq. Again, Obama will have to acknowledge GWB for giving him all of the tools and strategies needed to fight the terrorists.

Regarding the auto industry...did he really "save" it? Remember, the gov't bailed out 2 of the Big 3 auto companies. The one that didn't get an actual bailout was Ford. Guess which auto company out of the Big 3 has the best financial stability? Ford is the most stable of the 3 by far. How can that be? It's simple. When you allow the free market to work unencumbered, capital will be distributed much more efficiently and thus those companies that are doing business the right way will benefit. Obama did a huge disservice to Ford by bailing out GM and Chrysler. Ford could have grown its market share and possibly picked up additional resources from GM and Chrysler on the cheap. As a result, Ford could have become significantly stronger and the U.S. would have a stronger auto maker headquartered in the U.S. Since the free market was hindered, we have a moderately strong auto company and 2 weak companies that still need help.

As scary as it sounds, we would be much further ahead today with an economic recovery if the gov't allowed the free market to operate during this downturn. The up front costs would have been significantly higher, but most of our problems would have been behind us. Today, we can't say that because in the end we still have to deal with the same problems because the markets are not allowed to flush out the, bad loans, bad debt and bad companies. It's quite sad, actually.

Agreed. I've said this before and I might have been the first one...Economic Natural Selection. Let the strong survive and the weak go under. We would have been out of this by now had the bailouts not happened...IMO.

(01-25-2012 06:56 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 03:42 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  It was just your typical campaign speech

Great speech if you agreed with the president, fine speech if you were neutral and Marxist indoctrination if you were a wingnut. He reminded the nation that under his administration we had ended a war, killed Bin Laden and saved the U.S. auto industry within the first two minutes. The presidents delivery was perfect but the substance was on par with Dubya's mission to mars. The GOP doesn't have a single candidate that can occupy the same stage as President Obama.

You really really are bat sh!t Stupid

I wasn't impressed. He ran through the highlights of his first term and tested out his stump speeches for the upcoming campaign.

EDIT:
Did anyone watch the GOP response?

(01-25-2012 01:57 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Alright, I'll change from sarcasm to full on RobertN Spin Room trollin':


Obama admitted he was a socialist, admired Karl Marx, hated freedom, couldn't wait to use the NDAA to detain everyone indefinitely, wanted to take everything the rich had so he could extend foodstamps and unemployment and healthcare and public housing indefinitely for anybody making less than $30,000 or willing to voluntarily quit their jobs to collect and never work again, wanted to go to war with Africa, Asia, and the Middle East (all of it), and wants unemployment to be 90% so he can be the indefinite President of dependence while taxing the 10% at 100%, and that he was really born in Kenya.

I slept though all of it with the exception of the first few minutes. This guy's voice inflections kill me and makes him sound desperate. When I woke up an hour later he was still talking. Thank God for the remote as I turned his ass off and called it a day.

(01-25-2012 09:12 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 08:15 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 06:56 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 03:42 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  It was just your typical campaign speech

Great speech if you agreed with the president, fine speech if you were neutral and Marxist indoctrination if you were a wingnut. He reminded the nation that under his administration we had ended a war, killed Bin Laden and saved the U.S. auto industry within the first two minutes. The presidents delivery was perfect but the substance was on par with Dubya's mission to mars. The GOP doesn't have a single candidate that can occupy the same stage as President Obama.

The problems with claiming the benefits of "winning" in Iraq and killing Bin Laden is that he won't be able to do it for long without giving Bush credit. Obama continued the policies that GWB installed. He never got rid of the Patriot Act - like he promised he would - and he never shut down Guantanimo - again like he promised in the last campaign. He utilized the same surge strategy in Afghanistan that GWB crafted for Iraq. Again, Obama will have to acknowledge GWB for giving him all of the tools and strategies needed to fight the terrorists.

Regarding the auto industry...did he really "save" it? Remember, the gov't bailed out 2 of the Big 3 auto companies. The one that didn't get an actual bailout was Ford. Guess which auto company out of the Big 3 has the best financial stability? Ford is the most stable of the 3 by far. How can that be? It's simple. When you allow the free market to work unencumbered, capital will be distributed much more efficiently and thus those companies that are doing business the right way will benefit. Obama did a huge disservice to Ford by bailing out GM and Chrysler. Ford could have grown its market share and possibly picked up additional resources from GM and Chrysler on the cheap. As a result, Ford could have become significantly stronger and the U.S. would have a stronger auto maker headquartered in the U.S. Since the free market was hindered, we have a moderately strong auto company and 2 weak companies that still need help.

As scary as it sounds, we would be much further ahead today with an economic recovery if the gov't allowed the free market to operate during this downturn. The up front costs would have been significantly higher, but most of our problems would have been behind us. Today, we can't say that because in the end we still have to deal with the same problems because the markets are not allowed to flush out the, bad loans, bad debt and bad companies. It's quite sad, actually.

Agreed. I've said this before and I might have been the first one...Economic Natural Selection. Let the strong survive and the weak go under. We would have been out of this by now had the bailouts not happened...IMO.

Insolvent Companies: That's why we have Bankruptcy Courts in every Federal Courthouse.

(01-25-2012 09:26 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 06:56 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 03:42 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  It was just your typical campaign speech

Great speech if you agreed with the president, fine speech if you were neutral and Marxist indoctrination if you were a wingnut. He reminded the nation that under his administration we had ended a war, killed Bin Laden and saved the U.S. auto industry within the first two minutes. The presidents delivery was perfect but the substance was on par with Dubya's mission to mars. The GOP doesn't have a single candidate that can occupy the same stage as President Obama.

You really really are bat sh!t Stupid

Was thinking the same thing. Talk about a total sycophant.

There was no contrast with Buffet's secretary and Romney. That whole myth has been debunked countless times. If Buffet wanted his secretary to pay the same rate he does in taxes he'd pay her in stock like he is. It's a pathetic argument that only a fool would actually believe is intellectually honest.

Great video by RNC showing Obama's recycled lines from past SOTU

AP Fact Check: Obama pushes plans that already flopped

Like I said, only a sycophant would think this was a great speech.

As far as contrasting with Romney, how bout we contrast that Romney gave 16% of his income to charity and Obama gave 1%. That's a contrast worth noting. Then again Obama believes he's giving to charity with our tax dollars. Biden gave $369 dollars.

That's the difference. Republicans give out of their own pockets, dems just want to take out of our pockets and then give it away while keeping their own money.

(01-25-2012 10:15 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:12 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 08:15 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 06:56 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 03:42 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  It was just your typical campaign speech

Great speech if you agreed with the president, fine speech if you were neutral and Marxist indoctrination if you were a wingnut. He reminded the nation that under his administration we had ended a war, killed Bin Laden and saved the U.S. auto industry within the first two minutes. The presidents delivery was perfect but the substance was on par with Dubya's mission to mars. The GOP doesn't have a single candidate that can occupy the same stage as President Obama.

The problems with claiming the benefits of "winning" in Iraq and killing Bin Laden is that he won't be able to do it for long without giving Bush credit. Obama continued the policies that GWB installed. He never got rid of the Patriot Act - like he promised he would - and he never shut down Guantanimo - again like he promised in the last campaign. He utilized the same surge strategy in Afghanistan that GWB crafted for Iraq. Again, Obama will have to acknowledge GWB for giving him all of the tools and strategies needed to fight the terrorists.

Regarding the auto industry...did he really "save" it? Remember, the gov't bailed out 2 of the Big 3 auto companies. The one that didn't get an actual bailout was Ford. Guess which auto company out of the Big 3 has the best financial stability? Ford is the most stable of the 3 by far. How can that be? It's simple. When you allow the free market to work unencumbered, capital will be distributed much more efficiently and thus those companies that are doing business the right way will benefit. Obama did a huge disservice to Ford by bailing out GM and Chrysler. Ford could have grown its market share and possibly picked up additional resources from GM and Chrysler on the cheap. As a result, Ford could have become significantly stronger and the U.S. would have a stronger auto maker headquartered in the U.S. Since the free market was hindered, we have a moderately strong auto company and 2 weak companies that still need help.

As scary as it sounds, we would be much further ahead today with an economic recovery if the gov't allowed the free market to operate during this downturn. The up front costs would have been significantly higher, but most of our problems would have been behind us. Today, we can't say that because in the end we still have to deal with the same problems because the markets are not allowed to flush out the, bad loans, bad debt and bad companies. It's quite sad, actually.

Agreed. I've said this before and I might have been the first one...Economic Natural Selection. Let the strong survive and the weak go under. We would have been out of this by now had the bailouts not happened...IMO.

Insolvent Companies: That's why we have Bankruptcy Courts in every Federal Courthouse.

Yes because putting ten or hundreds of thousands out of work is a wonderful idea.