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(01-20-2012 11:05 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Go to 24 with 3 8 team divisions (West/Central/East). Seven conference games, the last week is the first round of a playoff with the three division champs plus a wild card. Everyone else plays a "non-conference" cross-over game. They won't know for sure who the opponent is at the beginning of the season but they'll know if it's home or away. Maybe rotating opponents, maybe standard rivalries, maybe a bit of both.

03-puke Why not make our own separate NCAA division then? Jeez. As soon as we stage our own playoff, it's over.
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(01-20-2012 10:42 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:15 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

To be fair GSU and ODU have bigger athletic budgets than several members of CUSA.

Thanks for the info. I didn't do the research and I should have before I just threw a statement out there.....my bad.

I'm still amazed however that many conference fans are looking at lower division programs or programs that have a year in real D1 football as potential members.

But, so be it. If I'm a lone man on and island, I'm not going to make a crusade out of it. We'll all play whoever the conference admits.
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Bringing in GSU or ODU isn't really any different than when UAB & USF came into CUSA 2-3 yrs removed from IAA football. At least GSU and ODU have stadiums on campus. Did USF really progress very much in 2 yrs? NO. UAB STILL doesn't have a stadium solution and they're consistently one of the worst teams in FBS.
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Between GSU and ODU, I'd take ODU. They have a significantly larger athletic budget (almost double) and much better basketball. FB would be a push.
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(01-20-2012 12:06 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Bringing in GSU or ODU isn't really any different than when UAB & USF came into CUSA 2-3 yrs removed from IAA football.
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(01-20-2012 11:56 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:42 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:15 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

To be fair GSU and ODU have bigger athletic budgets than several members of CUSA.

Thanks for the info. I didn't do the research and I should have before I just threw a statement out there.....my bad.

I'm still amazed however that many conference fans are looking at lower division programs or programs that have a year in real D1 football as potential members.

But, so be it. If I'm a lone man on and island, I'm not going to make a crusade out of it. We'll all play whoever the conference admits.

You are right to be concerned as no conference should be taking on mouths to feed but most CAA schools have budgets in the $24 million to $30 million range. The real concern is on the field as you uptick scholarships over two years from 63 to 74 and then from 74 to 85 and then of course you have the financial side of adding 22 additional scholarships on the ladies side.
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Bring in La Tech move UTEP to the west stop at 18 and be done with it.
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(01-20-2012 01:06 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  Bring in La Tech move UTEP to the west stop at 18 and be done with it.

La Tech would be a terrible choice.
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(01-20-2012 10:50 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Looking at the map and then at your sig, I had a difficult time concentrating on the map. But, having seen at least a glimpse of the map, I can see reasonably regional conferences forming in a couple of areas. The one that would benefit UTEP, if these plans were to fall apart, would be the area from UTEP north. Just look how nicely the 4 front range schools of the current MWC lineup with UTEP. Add Utah St, Tulsa, UNT, UTSA, TX St, La Tech and Rice and you have a 12 school conference.

I had the same thought. Drop ECU, Marshall, Hawaii, Fresno State, and Nevada, and the geography actually looks kind of good.

I am really starting to understand the bind ECU finds themselves in.
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(01-20-2012 09:59 AM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  From the ECU perspective, if you are going to move up a DIA team, there are pros and cons for both ODU and GSU. They share alot of the same pros and cons. I guess it comes down to ODU being close can be both good and bad for ECU so we just have decide if their closeness produces more good or more bad. I think it would produce more bad and I doubt our teams would even bus up there so why not go with GSU then?

Any truth to what was posted in the other thread (in smackboard now) that Temple might joing the merger if Ohio came with them? If Ohio is in a different tv market than Marshall (like Columbus), I could see that happening and would give ECU 3 teams in the eastern time zone (4 including ECU for the merger in eastern time zone).

If you are talking about the post I think you are talking about I would mostly disregard it. It comes from a poster from the MAC boards that is well known for throwing everything and anything out there without regard to likelihood (using multiple different names to post under and I am not entirely sure why). I don't hate the guy like many MAC posters seem to but I can see why they can get annoyed since he posts realignment stuff (really random alignment stuff) all the time.

I for one would say Temple cares little about Ohio or any other MAC football school in particular. What Temple likely cares about is money and the critical mass of all sorts of factors that contribute to the MAC being a good fit currently for them (Ohio is a part of that but only with the other MAC schools with them). These are the things that I think need to happen to make Temple go to a conference like CUSA (these are just my educated opinions and I am making no claims at being infallible and they are heavily based on what Temple fans seem to think).

1. The offer needs to be football only. A-10 basketball is too good with too much history for them to move without making a for sure significant jump up and CUSA does not provide that. Further the A-10 is good for their Olympic sports since they don't need to ship them too far too often apparently. This is a big reason why they do not join the MAC.

2. Temple has to pay millions to leave the MAC. The only school that can help with that is UMASS since those are the only two schools that have that special deal (IF they both leave the second team pays a much smaller buyout so you can spread the damage between the two and they would each pay less than what they would have to pay to leave alone). In addition they have to pay a lot of money to join CUSA and it would cost more to play there in general. This means it is going to take a while to recoup the money lost especially as a football only. In this case I do not see them leaving the MAC unless they have given up on the BE entirely since CUSA really will benefit them only as a long term solution. If they still think they are going to the BE soon then there is more of a benefit to stay in the MAC.

You could list many smaller reasons (such as they are more likely to have an additional win or so in the MAC which helps to keep them looking better) but those are the big reasons as I see them.
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(01-19-2012 08:38 PM)banker Wrote:  Sorry UTEP, but that map screams for you to be in the west division.

i disagree.
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(01-20-2012 02:27 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 09:59 AM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  From the ECU perspective, if you are going to move up a DIA team, there are pros and cons for both ODU and GSU. They share alot of the same pros and cons. I guess it comes down to ODU being close can be both good and bad for ECU so we just have decide if their closeness produces more good or more bad. I think it would produce more bad and I doubt our teams would even bus up there so why not go with GSU then?

Any truth to what was posted in the other thread (in smackboard now) that Temple might joing the merger if Ohio came with them? If Ohio is in a different tv market than Marshall (like Columbus), I could see that happening and would give ECU 3 teams in the eastern time zone (4 including ECU for the merger in eastern time zone).

If you are talking about the post I think you are talking about I would mostly disregard it. It comes from a poster from the MAC boards that is well known for throwing everything and anything out there without regard to likelihood (using multiple different names to post under and I am not entirely sure why). I don't hate the guy like many MAC posters seem to but I can see why they can get annoyed since he posts realignment stuff (really random alignment stuff) all the time.

I for one would say Temple cares little about Ohio or any other MAC football school in particular. What Temple likely cares about is money and the critical mass of all sorts of factors that contribute to the MAC being a good fit currently for them (Ohio is a part of that but only with the other MAC schools with them). These are the things that I think need to happen to make Temple go to a conference like CUSA (these are just my educated opinions and I am making no claims at being infallible and they are heavily based on what Temple fans seem to think).

1. The offer needs to be football only. A-10 basketball is too good with too much history for them to move without making a for sure significant jump up and CUSA does not provide that. Further the A-10 is good for their Olympic sports since they don't need to ship them too far too often apparently. This is a big reason why they do not join the MAC.

2. Temple has to pay millions to leave the MAC. The only school that can help with that is UMASS since those are the only two schools that have that special deal (IF they both leave the second team pays a much smaller buyout so you can spread the damage between the two and they would each pay less than what they would have to pay to leave alone). In addition they have to pay a lot of money to join CUSA and it would cost more to play there in general. This means it is going to take a while to recoup the money lost especially as a football only. In this case I do not see them leaving the MAC unless they have given up on the BE entirely since CUSA really will benefit them only as a long term solution. If they still think they are going to the BE soon then there is more of a benefit to stay in the MAC.

You could list many smaller reasons (such as they are more likely to have an additional win or so in the MAC which helps to keep them looking better) but those are the big reasons as I see them.

Great. Now can you explain this all again in 3 weeks when someone screams Temple again? 04-cheers04-bow
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(01-20-2012 01:58 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:50 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Looking at the map and then at your sig, I had a difficult time concentrating on the map. But, having seen at least a glimpse of the map, I can see reasonably regional conferences forming in a couple of areas. The one that would benefit UTEP, if these plans were to fall apart, would be the area from UTEP north. Just look how nicely the 4 front range schools of the current MWC lineup with UTEP. Add Utah St, Tulsa, UNT, UTSA, TX St, La Tech and Rice and you have a 12 school conference.

I had the same thought. Drop ECU, Marshall, Hawaii, Fresno State, and Nevada, and the geography actually looks kind of good.

I am really starting to understand the bind ECU finds themselves in.

I agree with both of you. The Mountain/Central part of the merger combines a solid core of schools. I'm looking forward to being in a conference with Rice, Tulsa, and our old friend UTEP again. We will likely splinter off and do our own thing one day.
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(01-20-2012 10:43 AM)PATiger Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:15 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

There are better choices.

Unfortunately those better choices don't help ECU's travel issues, and I fully understand why ECU would like to have some relief.

Of the FCS schools, ODU has the biggest athletic budget at $29,048,014.00 for the 2009-2010 year. In fact, they have a bigger athletic budget than several FBS teams that are being discussed.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/n...nances.htm

In comparison:

Memphis - $39,520,842.00
ECU - $30,473,691.00
UTEP - $26,614,312.00
Marhall - $25,678,598.00
UAB - $23,839,180.00
Southern Miss - $19,641,550.00


FIU - $22,509,591.00
MTSU - $20,800,017.00
UNT- $17,105,046.00
La Tech - $16,481,887.00
App State - $16,185,310.00
FAU - $15,208,667.00
ASU - $13,332,956.00
UTSA - $12,948,900.00
ULL - $12,357,621.00

(01-20-2012 10:42 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Actual GSU and ODU have bigger athletic budgets than several members of CUSA.

You're right on ODU but not on GSU.

GSU - $17,195,830.00

Jeez, man, the above athletic budget figures comes from a link that is 2 years old.03-banghead

This link below you might have to cut and paste tells the tale about North Texas now.

:http://www.ensbsn.com/2011/11/college-sports-revenue-2011-the-list/

Addendum: North Texas will have a minimum $24 million athletic budget next fiscal year and is projected to go up from that point on.

The revisionary postings and positionings on this board is one for the ages. We know what our strengths and weaknesses at North Texas are and don't pretend to hide them. Those who will decide on all this do to (whether they add schools or not which I don't think they will this go around).

Yet even a novice can see the glaringly huge footprint hole between CUSA and the MWC on this map. Still, the presidents and AD's will do all the deciding while the rest of us merely opinionate and speculate, but isn't that what these sports smack boards are all about anyhow?
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(01-20-2012 02:50 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:43 AM)PATiger Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:15 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

There are better choices.

Unfortunately those better choices don't help ECU's travel issues, and I fully understand why ECU would like to have some relief.

Of the FCS schools, ODU has the biggest athletic budget at $29,048,014.00 for the 2009-2010 year. In fact, they have a bigger athletic budget than several FBS teams that are being discussed.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/n...nances.htm

In comparison:

Memphis - $39,520,842.00
ECU - $30,473,691.00
UTEP - $26,614,312.00
Marhall - $25,678,598.00
UAB - $23,839,180.00
Southern Miss - $19,641,550.00


FIU - $22,509,591.00
MTSU - $20,800,017.00
UNT- $17,105,046.00
La Tech - $16,481,887.00
App State - $16,185,310.00
FAU - $15,208,667.00
ASU - $13,332,956.00
UTSA - $12,948,900.00
ULL - $12,357,621.00

(01-20-2012 10:42 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Actual GSU and ODU have bigger athletic budgets than several members of CUSA.

You're right on ODU but not on GSU.

GSU - $17,195,830.00

Jeez, man, the above athletic budget figures comes from a link that is 2 years old.03-banghead

This link you might have to cut and paste tells the tale about North Texas now.



:http://www.ensbsn.com/2011/11/college-sports-revenue-2011-the-list/

Addendum: North Texas will have a minimum $24 million athletic budget next fiscal year and is projected to go up from that point on.

The revisionary postings and false pretense positionings on this board is one for the ages. We know what our strengths and weaknesses at North Texas are and don't pretend to hide them.

It would still put you near the bottom because everyone else has spent more as well.
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(01-20-2012 09:59 AM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  Any truth to what was posted in the other thread (in smackboard now) that Temple might joing the merger if Ohio came with them? If Ohio is in a different tv market than Marshall (like Columbus), I could see that happening and would give ECU 3 teams in the eastern time zone (4 including ECU for the merger in eastern time zone).

Athens County, Ohio is located within the Charleston/Huntington television market. The Huntington/Charleston TV market is the second largest market, in terms of area, east of the Mississippi River.
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(01-20-2012 02:58 PM)PATiger Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 02:50 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:43 AM)PATiger Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:15 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

There are better choices.

Unfortunately those better choices don't help ECU's travel issues, and I fully understand why ECU would like to have some relief.

Of the FCS schools, ODU has the biggest athletic budget at $29,048,014.00 for the 2009-2010 year. In fact, they have a bigger athletic budget than several FBS teams that are being discussed.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/n...nances.htm

In comparison:

Memphis - $39,520,842.00
ECU - $30,473,691.00
UTEP - $26,614,312.00
Marhall - $25,678,598.00
UAB - $23,839,180.00
Southern Miss - $19,641,550.00


FIU - $22,509,591.00
MTSU - $20,800,017.00
UNT- $17,105,046.00
La Tech - $16,481,887.00
App State - $16,185,310.00
FAU - $15,208,667.00
ASU - $13,332,956.00
UTSA - $12,948,900.00
ULL - $12,357,621.00

(01-20-2012 10:42 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Actual GSU and ODU have bigger athletic budgets than several members of CUSA.

You're right on ODU but not on GSU.

GSU - $17,195,830.00

Jeez, man, the above athletic budget figures comes from a link that is 2 years old.03-banghead

This link you might have to cut and paste tells the tale about North Texas now.



:http://www.ensbsn.com/2011/11/college-sports-revenue-2011-the-list/

Addendum: North Texas will have a minimum $24 million athletic budget next fiscal year and is projected to go up from that point on.

The revisionary postings and false pretense positionings on this board is one for the ages. We know what our strengths and weaknesses at North Texas are and don't pretend to hide them.

It would still put you near the bottom because everyone else has spent more as well.

Read, read, read...03-banghead.Addendum: North Texas will have a minimum $24 million athletic budget next fiscal year and is projected to go up from that point on.

AND.....If ODU is spending that kind of money they sure as hell ain't getting their monies worth. No one down here where most of the U.S.population is moving knows very little or nothing about ODU. I saw nothing in today's Dallas Morning News or Fort Worth Star Telegram on ODU.

Moral of Story: This projected Alliance conference is still too far flung for a non AQ conference to have a real chance to succeed and with schools in all 3 geographical region that know little or nothing about each other to boot.

This AQ & non AQ disease is responsible for every bit of this but its the NCAA presidents and AD's who are the ones spreading the damn disease.
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(01-20-2012 03:04 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  No one down here where most of the U.S.population is moving knows very little or nothing about ODU. I saw nothing in today's Dallas Morning News or Fort Worth Star Telegram on ODU just this morning.

That's because they're in Virginia you dumba$$. I know one thing for sure, I'm REALLY starting to hate UNT fans.
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