Kudos to Bearcat04 for these numbers--exactly my point yesterday. Quality wins in the nation's best conference will trump a deficient RPI. We seem to be picking up steam with national commentators too (Katz) and the buzz should build toward Big Monday.

(01-20-2012 01:06 PM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  Only Kansas (4), Duke (3), and Indiana (3) have more RPI Top 25 wins than UC, but none of the 10 came on the road. There have only been 11 road wins against the RPI top 25 and UC owns two of them. Of those 11 wins Georgetown and UConn are the highest projected seeds thus far. Two very impressive wins and counting...

Great stuff.

Marquette got in at 64, USC at 67 last year. Alabama was 12-4 in the SEC West with wins over Kentucky and Georgia but missed the tournament with an RPI of 80. Colorado and Virginia Tech were in the 60's as well. It seems to me that big conference schools need to be in the top 40 to feel good. Top 50 seems safe as well if you have a really good conference record. Anything from 50 through 70 is up for the debate but I couldn't see a Cincinnati team with 12 or more conference wins being left out because UC's rpi is going to be a lot better than 80 if they win more than 12 games.

I am not going to worry about it because this team is going to have double bye in the conference tournament and there is no way a team that finishes in the top four in the Big East is going to be left out.

Win the next 2, you'll likely be looking at the mid 50's.
Win additionally at the RAC and against Depaul at home, then this no longer needs to be a discussion.
That said, that'll be ridiculously hard to do.
No matter what, we cannot lose to Depaul or St. Johns again.

(01-20-2012 03:40 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Marquette got in at 64, USC at 67 last year. Alabama was 12-4 in the SEC West with wins over Kentucky and Georgia but missed the tournament with an RPI of 80. Colorado and Virginia Tech were in the 60's as well. It seems to me that big conference schools need to be in the top 40 to feel good. Top 50 seems safe as well if you have a really good conference record. Anything from 50 through 70 is up for the debate but I couldn't see a Cincinnati team with 12 or more conference wins being left out because UC's rpi is going to be a lot better than 80 if they win more than 12 games.

I am not going to worry about it because this team is going to have double bye in the conference tournament and there is no way a team that finishes in the top four in the Big East is going to be left out.

A double bye in the Big East tourney gets you to the quarterfinals, not the semifinals.

83 as of saturday morning, 1-21-12
we're slowly getting there.

we beat Cuse it will go a long way

we already beat two #11 teams (Gtown/UCONN) on the road...that's huge folks

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_bige_Men.html

Nova wins at St. Johns and gets to RPI 78 with a 3-5 conf record. SOS of 6 helps so much for them, but no way they are better than UC.

Big game tonight.

(01-23-2012 08:35 AM)THE BearcatBrent Wrote:  http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_bige_Men.html

Nova wins at St. Johns and gets to RPI 78 with a 3-5 conf record. SOS of 6 helps so much for them, but no way they are better than UC.

Big game tonight.

UC at 92, SOS 165

(01-20-2012 01:33 PM)indycat Wrote:  Kudos to Bearcat04 for these numbers--exactly my point yesterday. Quality wins in the nation's best conference will trump a deficient RPI. We seem to be picking up steam with national commentators too (Katz) and the buzz should build toward Big Monday.

I agree, quality wins in the Big East will trump losses over PC and Marshall. WIth that said, we will have no argument if we do end up on the outside looking in come March.

BTW, the Big East isn't the best conference this year.

ND beat cuse...that helps our rpi right? (since we beat nd)

Beat Uconn and lost to WVU both on road.

Overall the rpi only went from 101 to 92.

Statistically speaking the computer doesn't value a home win vs. #1 rpi team as much as it would have the road win at #14. Prior to both games the RPI computer gave us a 24% chance of winning Saturday and a 26% chance of winning today.

RPI stays at 92 for now.

Remember how that 3 game stretch was supposed help the RPI? It moved up from 101 to 97.

(01-26-2012 11:11 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Remember how that 3 game stretch was supposed help the RPI? It moved up from 101 to 97.

Yet you have to go all the way to #34 UD to find a team that has more Top 100 wins than UC's 6.

The fact that Colorado St. (12-6) is #27 shows the absurdity of the RPI. Their best wins came at home against #69 Colorado and #75 Denver.

The awful non-conference SOS plus all the home "L" is killing UC right now. Its my biggest concern that if the Bearcats win 11 or 12 conferences games that they will be left. out. Other computer rankings have the Bearcats in the top 50 which is probably where they belong.

I have hated the RPI for years and believe the new system is even worse than the old one. At the end of the day basketball is about winning games. Home wins don't count .6 and road wins 1.4 in the standings but they do in the RPI. Three quarters of the dang thing is SOS (SOS plus opponent SOS) which is crazy.

I would rather see them move to a computer average or median. Give me Sagarin and Kenpom ratings anyday over the RPI. The thing about the RPI is that its a rating not a ranking. I wish they would focus on that.

RPI is worthless. X loses 7 or their last 12 and they have only dropped from 26 to 50. Indiana loses 4 of their last 5 and they drop only 8 spots to 20. UL has dropped 5 of their last 8 and they only drop 14 spots.

What good teams you play but lose to should not make a bit of difference. Who the teams you play schedule should not make a bit of difference.

There should only be 2 columns. What good teams did you beat. What bad teams did you lose to. Nobody should give a rat's rear end if you beat team #160 versus #260. If the committee is not knowledgable enough to figure out which teams should be in either column, then get a new committee.

If you schedule a bunch of cupcakes in the non-conference season, you damn well better come out of that unscathed. Otherwise you're going to be hurting in a big way. UC's non-conference opponents' SOS is 330 and that tells you all you need to know.

We may all have issues with the RPI, but it's not just going to go away. You have to deal with it and know it's going to be used by the selection committee. In the future, UC needs to do a better job of manipulating the RPI and SOS figures to their advantage.

Huggs was a master at this he would never play a team over about 250 but he played a lot between 150 and 250. I cannot believe we do not follow the same formula. It must be the cost factor that we cannot afford to pay those teams until we have better attendance, but then which is the cause or the effect?