(01-15-2012 07:26 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 07:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  last i checked...Memphis has played in 5 bowls the last decade...Tech has 3.

during those seasons...Memphis averaged ~35-40k per season.

Memphis (the City) invested 20 million into the Liberty Bowl.

What the hell does that have to do with Temple? Where did those 35-40K fans go?

you said:

"I know Memphis doesn't care about football"

then went on to say:

"I'm just tired of being in a conference where the fans of USM's natural rivals (Memphis included) don't care about their own football programs."

to me that sounds like, in your opinion, Memphis doesn't care about football, and Tech does.

if that's the contention why do they have 3 bowls in 19 years? hell, we have 5 in the last decade...

Memphis fans will support a winner...we've proven that.

I don't care about market value as long as they are competitive.

^ aren't you boys leaving...

(01-15-2012 05:22 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 05:16 PM)PirateNation Wrote:  No thanks. I think that if we can't land Temple then there really isn't a need to add schools just for the heck of it.

I do think La Tech would be a good fit for Sun Belt, would save a lot of travel and could create some rivalries.

LA Tech has burned a few bridges in the Sun Belt. They make sense in the SBC, but would have one of the lowest budgets. At this point, I don't know if there is enough support for them to get an invite.

The WAC will soon implode and La Tech has burned some bridges in the Sun Belt Conference so they are running out of options (and time). Desperation might even be the right word here.

Having read their BB&B board for years they are the masters of "say it enough times and it becomes fact." Their sense of entitlement behooves any degree of logic.

If any league would bring in a school with as small a budget as La Tech has with more blueprints on the drawing board than monies they have (not) raised for those paper dreams then that is not saying much about how a league feels about its future at all.

I still don't think either league or their proposed Alliance brings any new school into their league now. I may not say that in 1-2 years, though.

(01-15-2012 07:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ aren't you boys leaving...

I realize that. I supported Louisiana and Louisiana Tech moving in even before UCF was rumored to be joining the Big East. I just like their name and the competitiveness they bring to the game.

Whoever is bringing in more money they they will be paid is who I support. I don't know who that is and I'll let whoever is in charge decide who adds that kind of value, or if anyone does.

(01-15-2012 07:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 07:26 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 07:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  last i checked...Memphis has played in 5 bowls the last decade...Tech has 3.

during those seasons...Memphis averaged ~35-40k per season.

Memphis (the City) invested 20 million into the Liberty Bowl.

What the hell does that have to do with Temple? Where did those 35-40K fans go?

you said:

"I know Memphis doesn't care about football"

then went on to say:

"I'm just tired of being in a conference where the fans of USM's natural rivals (Memphis included) don't care about their own football programs."

to me that sounds like, in your opinion, Memphis doesn't care about football, and Tech does.

if that's the contention why do they have 3 bowls in 19 years? hell, we have 5 in the last decade...

Memphis fans will support a winner...we've proven that.

sigh... it was in response to your assertion that USM doesn't care about basketball.

Also, you're arguing against yourself. On the one hand, Temple is building their program, don't focus on their past. On the other, Memphis was good 5-10 years ago, we should ignore La Tech's recent success and advancements.

(01-15-2012 07:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Whoever is bringing in more money they they will be paid is who I support. I don't know who that is and I'll let whoever is in charge decide who adds that kind of value, or if anyone does.

Pretty much how I feel. I only support La Tech because of their proximity and the fact they brought more fans to Hattiesburg during a tropical storm than Memphis, Tulane or UAB ever has.

(01-15-2012 07:57 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 07:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Whoever is bringing in more money they they will be paid is who I support. I don't know who that is and I'll let whoever is in charge decide who adds that kind of value, or if anyone does.

Pretty much how I feel. I only support La Tech because of their proximity and the fact they brought more fans to Hattiesburg during a tropical storm than Memphis, Tulane or UAB ever has.

I can understand that from a USM perspective, just that for ECU unless they are adding $$$ they don't bring us any real positives. Also C-USA already has so many teams in that general area, while ECU and Marshall are becoming more and more isolated. I'd rather add MTSU over La Tech, not that I think either are going to add money, just because they are the closest available FBS team. If C-USA would add FCS teams I'd want ODU.

Yep. Louisiana Tech is positioning itself very well and 2012 will be an incredible year for Tech football.

The Poinsettia Bowl (LA Tech vs TCU) had the highest tv rating of any bowl game with a non-AQ participant who isn't moving to an AQ conference.

2011-12 Bowl TV Viewership
24,214,000 - BCS Championship (Alabama vs. LSU)
17,558,000 - Rose Bowl (Wisconsin vs. Oregon)
13,684,000 - Fiesta Bowl (Stanford vs. Oklahoma State)
9,572,000 - Sugar Bowl (Michigan vs. Virginia Tech)
8,363,000 - Cotton Bowl (Arkansas vs. Kansas State)
8,174,000 - Outback Bowl (Georgia vs. Michigan State)
7,174,000 - Orange Bowl (Clemson vs. West Virginia)
6,923,000 - Alamo Bowl (Washington vs. Baylor)
6,155,000 - Chick-Fil-A Bowl (Auburn vs. Virginia)
5,228,000 - Champs Sports Bowl (Notre Dame vs. Florida State)
4,812,000 - Insight Bowl (Iowa vs. Oklahoma)
4,499,000 - Capital One Bowl (Nebraska vs. South Carolina)
4,263,000 - Holiday Bowl (Texas vs. California)
4,214,000 - Music City Bowl (Mississippi State vs. Wake Forest)
4,105,000 - Sun Bowl (Georgia Tech vs. Utah)
3,903,000 - Car Care Bowl (Texas A&M vs. Northwestern)
3,470,000 - Belk Bowl (Louisville vs. NC State)
3,463,000 - Fight Hunger Bowl (UCLA vs. Illinois)
3,219,000 - Pinstripe Bowl (Rutgers vs. Iowa State)
3,137,000 - Las Vegas Bowl (Arizona State vs. Boise State)
3,106,000 - Poinsettia Bowl (TCU vs. Louisiana Tech)
2,967,000 - Liberty Bowl (Vanderbilt vs. Cincinnati)
2,947,000 - Gator Bowl (Florida vs. Ohio State)
2,504,000 - Little Caesars Bowl (Western Michigan vs. Purdue)
2,486,000 - Hawaii Bowl (Nevada vs. Southern Miss)
2,483,000 - Independence Bowl (Missouri vs. North Carolina)
2,411,000 - Potato Bowl (Ohio vs. Utah State)
2,347,000 - New Orleans Bowl (San Diego State vs. Lafayette)
2,297,000 - Military Bowl (Toledo vs. Air Force)
2,201,000 - New Mexico Bowl (Temple vs. Wyoming)
2,171,000 - Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl (Florida International vs. Marshall)
2,025,000 - Armed Forces Bowl (BYU vs. Tulsa)
2,010,000 - Compass Bowl (Pittsburgh vs. SMU)
1,780,000 - GoDaddy.com Bowl (Arkansas State vs. Northern Illinois)
NA - TicketCity Bowl (Penn State vs. Houston)

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/D...iewership.aspx

(01-15-2012 07:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ aren't you boys leaving...

He likes CUSA.

Since the new tv contracts are going to be coming up soon, markets will decide a lot in who will be added IMO. I think the favorites will be Temple-Philly, FIU/FAU-Miami, UNT-Dallas, USU-Salt Lake, SJSU-San Jose, UTSA-San Antonio.

I have nothing against LaTech, but right now I think our conference will be looking at large markets to better our new TV contracts. I think LaTech might still join one day, but that might not happen until we lose one or two more teams in the future and our contracts and (new) conference are more stable and finalized.

(01-15-2012 07:48 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 07:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 07:26 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 07:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  last i checked...Memphis has played in 5 bowls the last decade...Tech has 3.

during those seasons...Memphis averaged ~35-40k per season.

Memphis (the City) invested 20 million into the Liberty Bowl.

What the hell does that have to do with Temple? Where did those 35-40K fans go?

you said:

"I know Memphis doesn't care about football"

then went on to say:

"I'm just tired of being in a conference where the fans of USM's natural rivals (Memphis included) don't care about their own football programs."

to me that sounds like, in your opinion, Memphis doesn't care about football, and Tech does.

if that's the contention why do they have 3 bowls in 19 years? hell, we have 5 in the last decade...

Memphis fans will support a winner...we've proven that.

sigh... it was in response to your assertion that USM doesn't care about basketball.

Also, you're arguing against yourself. On the one hand, Temple is building their program, don't focus on their past. On the other, Memphis was good 5-10 years ago, we should ignore La Tech's recent success and advancements.

that could be said of Temple football...but Temple basketball is steeped in tradition...plus they HAVE been in a big time BCS football conference.

plus the Philly market...plus a NFL stadium...plus a great basketball arena...etc

also...if i was comparing...

Memphis football > USM basketball....IMHO

(01-15-2012 08:12 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 07:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ aren't you boys leaving...

He likes CUSA.

honestly, i understand...if Memphis was leaving i would still care about CUSA...of course, Memphis was a founding member...crazy we've been here since 96.

(01-15-2012 08:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that could be said of Temple football...but Temple basketball is steeped in tradition...plus they HAVE been in a big time BCS football conference.

plus the Philly market...plus a NFL stadium...plus a great basketball arena...etc

Let me repeat some key questions:

So Temple has won their conference exactly how many times?
When has expansion ever been about basketball?
How is a stadium that's 75% empty impressive?
As a fan, how does Temple's "market" matter to you?

Look, everybody gets why a Memphis fan is banging on the basketball drum, but expansion has never been about basketball, it's about football and markets. I'm sorry, I didn't make the rules. Memphis football has gotten so bad, that they were completely ignored by the Big East despite being in a good market. Also, no one is impressed by Temple's "big time BCS football conference experience", seeing how they were booted out.

Temple football > La Tech football

Seems only USM fans are supporting La Tech. Probably because 40% of all CUSA FB games La Tech has played were against USM. That, and the fact that USM would no longer be the smallest market in CUSA.

The rest of us don't care about adding a La Tech program with their awful track record in athletics and their nonexistent support in their nonexistent market.

(01-15-2012 08:54 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 08:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that could be said of Temple football...but Temple basketball is steeped in tradition...plus they HAVE been in a big time BCS football conference.

plus the Philly market...plus a NFL stadium...plus a great basketball arena...etc

Let me repeat some key questions:

So Temple has won their conference exactly how many times? they've only been in the MAC since 2007...but i believe they won it in 2009...i'd have to look it up.
When has expansion ever been about basketball? i'm not saying it is...
How is a stadium that's 75% empty impressive? sure helped USF at the Bucs stadium, they're BE now...i believe Temple had 57,000 for a game this season.
As a fan, how does Temple's "market" matter to you? because it means more TV $$$

Look, everybody gets why a Memphis fan is banging on the basketball drum, but expansion has never been about basketball, it's about football and markets. which is why Temple makes more sense than Tech I'm sorry, I didn't make the rules. Memphis football has gotten so bad, that they were completely ignored by the Big East despite being in a good market. Also, no one is impressed by Temple's "big time BCS football conference experience", you mean YOU aren't impressed seeing how they were booted out.

i don't get the love affair USM has with Ruston LA.

Somebody needs to educate these Memphis youngsters that Louisiana Tech has a better athletic history than Memphis and most of CUSA. Just look up their athletic website and look up their history. Not hard to do before you look more like idiots than you already do.

(01-15-2012 09:19 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Somebody needs to educate these Memphis youngsters that Louisiana Tech has a better athletic history than Memphis and most of CUSA. Just look up their athletic website and look up their history. Not hard to do before you look more like idiots than you already do.

I did and it was pathetic. Other than women's basketball (which no one here cares about), they suck across the board.

Two bowls in the last decade and zero NCAA tournament bids in the last twenty years.

You should stop making such ignorant comments when it's so easy to call you on it.

(01-15-2012 09:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  i don't get the love affair USM has with Ruston LA.

"Love affair"? I could say the same about about you and Temple...

just read my response here:

earlier, in this thread


"love" is a strong word.