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RE: Illinois Not on the Radar
(01-15-2012 02:32 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  First, I didn't say just this year. I mentioned that he has offered a lot of 2013 prospects out of Ohio already.....a lot more than he has from Illinois. The point is that they believe there is a lot of talent in Ohio and they think they can either recruit with Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame or they will take the leftovers. The leftovers are kids that are going to MAC schools. He won't be successful at Illinois if his base of recruits are MAC level recruits.

I know Beckman and Golesh pretty well. I got to know them both pretty well while they were at Toledo. My comments are not just some casual fan that doesn't know the situation well. With the recruiting they are doing, they will not be anything more than a mid-level Big Ten team. Not to mention they need to stop worrying about poaching three star prospects from MAC schools and start worrying more about keeping their current three star prospects. They already lost one three star commit earlier this weekend to Kentucky. Ironically, the kid was from Ohio too.

Beckman picked up a LB from Pennsylvania last night who, per Rivals, has offers from Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, Nebraska, Texas Tech, West Virginia, USC....amongst others.

Last week he picked up a DT from Florida who, per Rivals, has offers from Wisconsin, Florida, Florida State, Louisville. He himself claims offers from Alabama and LSU, but there's nothing to corroborate that.

Beckman is off to a good start. Gonzales and Beatty are nationally exceptional recruiters and will lead the recruiting charge, but the rest are very good to capable recruiters.

Of course, he will have to get into the Chicago area, but that has never proven easy for Illinois regardless of the coach. You mention the offers in Ohio and seemingly less in Illinois....Zook had offered a number of Illinois kids (Alviti, Pocic, Isaac) prior to being fired and so a lot, if not all, of those rolled over into the Beckman era.

The recruit you mentioned is Cody Quinn. As soon as Zook was fired, Quinn became a soft verbal and began taking other visits. It's not surprising he ended up elsewhere, though of course he would have been a nice addition to the class.
01-16-2012 04:22 PM
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RE: Illinois Not on the Radar
(01-15-2012 02:32 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  First, I didn't say just this year. I mentioned that he has offered a lot of 2013 prospects out of Ohio already.....a lot more than he has from Illinois. The point is that they believe there is a lot of talent in Ohio and they think they can either recruit with Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame or they will take the leftovers. The leftovers are kids that are going to MAC schools. He won't be successful at Illinois if his base of recruits are MAC level recruits.

I know Beckman and Golesh pretty well. I got to know them both pretty well while they were at Toledo. My comments are not just some casual fan that doesn't know the situation well. With the recruiting they are doing, they will not be anything more than a mid-level Big Ten team. Not to mention they need to stop worrying about poaching three star prospects from MAC schools and start worrying more about keeping their current three star prospects. They already lost one three star commit earlier this weekend to Kentucky. Ironically, the kid was from Ohio too.
You have demonstrated repeatedly a complete lack of knowledge about what is happening at Illinois. But that doesn't stop you from repeatedly posting your sour grapes. Most of our offers for the 2013 class right now are to 4 and 5 star prospects. Beckman will recruit Ohio and Michigan and Illinois and VA/DC and Florida. When he sees a hidden gem that only the MAC guys are going after, I'm sure he will not hesitate to recruit those guys as well as the higher rated prospects. If you think that is a problem, then I suppose you must also believe that all MAC recruits are inferior to all BCS conference recruits.

I am truly sorry you lost your coach. That is the nature of college football. A school like Illinois has resources that dwarf what is available at Toledo. And I'm sure that if Beckman is successful at Illinois and Ohio State comes calling he will jump at the opportunity. Be grateful that he elevated the Toledo program.
01-16-2012 11:55 PM
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RE: Illinois Not on the Radar
(01-16-2012 11:55 PM)IlliniFan Wrote:  
(01-15-2012 02:32 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  First, I didn't say just this year. I mentioned that he has offered a lot of 2013 prospects out of Ohio already.....a lot more than he has from Illinois. The point is that they believe there is a lot of talent in Ohio and they think they can either recruit with Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame or they will take the leftovers. The leftovers are kids that are going to MAC schools. He won't be successful at Illinois if his base of recruits are MAC level recruits.

I know Beckman and Golesh pretty well. I got to know them both pretty well while they were at Toledo. My comments are not just some casual fan that doesn't know the situation well. With the recruiting they are doing, they will not be anything more than a mid-level Big Ten team. Not to mention they need to stop worrying about poaching three star prospects from MAC schools and start worrying more about keeping their current three star prospects. They already lost one three star commit earlier this weekend to Kentucky. Ironically, the kid was from Ohio too.
You have demonstrated repeatedly a complete lack of knowledge about what is happening at Illinois. But that doesn't stop you from repeatedly posting your sour grapes. Most of our offers for the 2013 class right now are to 4 and 5 star prospects. Beckman will recruit Ohio and Michigan and Illinois and VA/DC and Florida. When he sees a hidden gem that only the MAC guys are going after, I'm sure he will not hesitate to recruit those guys as well as the higher rated prospects. If you think that is a problem, then I suppose you must also believe that all MAC recruits are inferior to all BCS conference recruits.

I am truly sorry you lost your coach. That is the nature of college football. A school like Illinois has resources that dwarf what is available at Toledo. And I'm sure that if Beckman is successful at Illinois and Ohio State comes calling he will jump at the opportunity. Be grateful that he elevated the Toledo program.

This is the last time I will respond. I got to know Beckman very well and am casual friends with him. I feel I am good friends with Golesh. I wish them nothing but the best and I have NO sour grapes whatsoever. I cover Toledo sports for Rivals.com and I hope Beckman succeeds. But I do know what I am talking about. I have inside contacts and know what is happening. I have seen some of the kids they are offering for 2013, and even 2014. Many of these kids have no rating yet, so no one knows if they are 3 or 4 star kids.
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Sounds like a situation where everyone could be right, but only time will tell. The Illini fans have brought good information and backed it up with good sense or published info and Brian always brings his best here. Practically, it would be a rare day Toledo "out recruits" Illinois. Someone should set up a game, because it's not a rare day we beat teams that out recruited us.
01-17-2012 11:56 AM
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(01-17-2012 11:56 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Sounds like a situation where everyone could be right, but only time will tell. The Illini fans have brought good information and backed it up with good sense or published info and Brian always brings his best here. Practically, it would be a rare day Toledo "out recruits" Illinois. Someone should set up a game, because it's not a rare day we beat teams that out recruited us.

Except for 2007, Illinois has been near the bottom of the Big Ten with Indiana for the past 10 seasons.
01-17-2012 12:58 PM
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I hate to admit that I still get Beckman tweets. That being said, he tweeted that he has 20 potential recruits coming in this weekend. I have to believe there are not 20 more scholarships available---so some of the guys who are waiting until the end to decide may not get the scholarship offer from Illinois they expect. If Toledo uses up all their schloarships, there may be some gray shirting or guys out of luck.
01-17-2012 01:28 PM
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Everyone who has worked with Beckman says no one will out-work him, and I think that's true. The guy did a mountain of good/smart things to expand recruiting in Toledo and he'll do many of those things at Illinois as well. He will bring tons of high school kids to campus year-round to show off the school and create buzz. Illinois will be fine. Whether he can make it a Big 10 contender is anyone's guess at this point.

Oh, and I still get his tweets too. I think it's safe to say you could substitute the name "Rockets" for "Illini" in any of those tweets and think he's still here. He's going to do the things that were successful here anywhere he goes. Why wouldn't he?
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