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RE: Stanton in the Press
(01-12-2012 12:43 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...



(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

Here is a link to the football practice facilities at the University of Memphis. A program that many in Memphis think gets the short end of the stick in terms of money allotment. It cost 6 million for renovations, granted it was for the whole practice facality, but it was just renovations.
That is one of the most ridiculous comparisons I've seen someone try to use. You knew it was was ridiculous when you typed it up, illustrated by the "granted it was for the whole practice facality" comment. Why the hell would you post it?
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BTW, if we are willing to drop $2 million on a Tennis facility we should have NO qualms about spending the necessary funds on facilities upgrades/creation for football (many of which can also be used by other sports). It isn't the most aesthetic but there's no reason why we can't double dip and build an outdoor track and football stadium together. The track should have been built along with the communist kickball stadium but that would actually require foresight and good management so we`re left having to do it in the future.
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(01-12-2012 02:19 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  I know what Memphis has, they also have a 50 million dollar athletic budget and a piss poor athletic director on his way out the door. They have their daddy warbucks in Fred Smith, but who can blame him NOT donating more towards football down there just so it can be misappropriated.
The thing is there doesn't have to be a Conference USA caliber weight room to start off, one that competes at the FCS level will be sufficient for openers with the ability to improve as needed.
Again, you get what you pay for. Women's soccer has how many NCAA postseason appearances? Wins? These sports that with overinflated budgets will never produce the results at the level ETSU is spending, pure and simple. They're not doing anything to increase the brand awareness of ETSU, and they're certainly not bringing in more interest from the community.
Arguing Memphis vs. ETSU is apples to oranges, and also note that they still have football and instead of dropping it are looking to fix it.

Oh, I thought you guys wanted to win at football. I see now, you just want to play.

So now that we have established that you just want to play, can't it just be non-scholarship? I mean that would probably keep it under the 500,000 budget of soccer. It would also mean that I wouldn't have to care. I could live with you football guys having a 500,000 sandbox that you and 4,999 (if that) of your friends could play in 5 times a year.
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(01-12-2012 10:00 PM)BucNut22 Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 12:43 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 10:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  So you're saying you couldn't upgrade the current weight room for 479,650 USD which is what it what the men's soccer budget was according to the ETSU budget found on http://www.etsu.edu?
How about the 552,990 USD spent on women's soccer according to the ETSU budget found at http://www.etsu.edu.
I'm sorry, but 100,000 dollars out of each budget buys a whole bunch of squat racks, dumbbells, and cans of paint to spiffy up part of an already built structure in the dome...



(01-10-2012 10:01 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(01-10-2012 08:51 PM)etsugrad99 Wrote:  Stanton got the money for all this stuff with the athletic fee he started after football was dropped. The proverbial "backs of the students."

What is the athletic fee now anyway? $150/semester? It's was somewhere around $125 in the last year or two. Why not take a vote on that and see what the results show? No athletic fee with football, or $150/semester and no football but a good soccer team. Hmmm, wonder how that'd turn out...

But that isn't the question.

For what it takes to run soccer every year you couldn't create a weight room for football.

You could use the soccer team van to shuttle the football staff around....maybe.

Here is a link to the football practice facilities at the University of Memphis. A program that many in Memphis think gets the short end of the stick in terms of money allotment. It cost 6 million for renovations, granted it was for the whole practice facality, but it was just renovations.
That is one of the most ridiculous comparisons I've seen someone try to use. You knew it was was ridiculous when you typed it up, illustrated by the "granted it was for the whole practice facality" comment. Why the hell would you post it?

Because I knew where that information was and I didn't have time to find another one. I also had sense enough to realize that 200K wasn't going to update any weight room that ETSU has, this isn't 1980.

Go ahead and check out the price of weight equipment on the internet and get back to me. As someone who is a weight lifter, and has looked, I think you will be surprised. I suppose we could just get some old car parts from a junk yard and they could lift those? I'm not even sure we could transport those to a room for use for 200K.

I'm sure their weight room was in better shape to begin with than ETSU.
http://www.mndaily.com/2011/06/28/kill-k...facilities
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(01-12-2012 10:14 PM)BucNut22 Wrote:  BTW, if we are willing to drop $2 million on a Tennis facility we should have NO qualms about spending the necessary funds on facilities upgrades/creation for football (many of which can also be used by other sports). It isn't the most aesthetic but there's no reason why we can't double dip and build an outdoor track and football stadium together. The track should have been built along with the communist kickball stadium but that would actually require foresight and good management so we`re left having to do it in the future.

I thought we had established long ago that communist countries don't play soccer?

List of countries where soccer is a major sport:
(these are all guesses, as stated earlier, I know nothing about soccer)

Communist
China - Do they play soccer in China?
Cuba - I would guess they play soccer.

Former Communist
Russa - Probably too cold to play soccer
Former soviet block countries - some of those do I guess

Non- Communist
England - big in England
Ireland - big in Ireland
Spain - big in Spain
France - big in France
Germany - big in Germany
Italy - big in Italy
Greece - big in Greece
Brazil - big in Brazil
Mexico - big in Mexico
Japan - don't know, I guess they play?
Korea - don't know, I guess they play?
Mongolia - I doubt they play

Not researched, don't want to take the time, but see a trend.
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(01-12-2012 10:40 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 10:14 PM)BucNut22 Wrote:  BTW, if we are willing to drop $2 million on a Tennis facility we should have NO qualms about spending the necessary funds on facilities upgrades/creation for football (many of which can also be used by other sports). It isn't the most aesthetic but there's no reason why we can't double dip and build an outdoor track and football stadium together. The track should have been built along with the communist kickball stadium but that would actually require foresight and good management so we`re left having to do it in the future.

I thought we had established long ago that communist countries don't play soccer?

List of countries where soccer is a major sport:
(these are all guesses, as stated earlier, I know nothing about soccer)

Communist
China - Do they play soccer in China?
Cuba - I would guess they play soccer.

Former Communist
Russa - Probably too cold to play soccer
Former soviet block countries - some of those do I guess

Non- Communist
England - big in England
Ireland - big in Ireland
Spain - big in Spain
France - big in France
Germany - big in Germany
Italy - big in Italy
Greece - big in Greece
Brazil - big in Brazil
Mexico - big in Mexico
Japan - don't know, I guess they play?
Korea - don't know, I guess they play?
Mongolia - I doubt they play

Not researched, don't want to take the time, but see a trend.
Typical, out of everything I wrote the thing you chose to focus in on was the communist kickball reference.

btw, soccer is also really big in North Korea 05-stirthepot
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(01-12-2012 09:31 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 05:39 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 11:36 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 11:22 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 11:07 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  lover, you always complain about etsu half assing everything. the current wt. room needs alot more than a couple hundred thousand to get into shape to accomodate a div. I football program. lee can only do so much with what he has in that spot, and i promise you, it cannot be done with 200k.

The room was perfectly well supporting division 1AA football as of 2003. Have to think that $200K would be more than enough renovation to get it going again. "Mr. Can't" will always find ways NOT to do anything.

let me rephrase then for 81. yes, we can do it for 200K. lets take from the other sports so they are left with less resources to succeed, and half-ass a wt room for a football program that has very little success....nice to know the old etsu football mentality is still alive and well.

Slappy, I would be concerned also about "taking from the other sports" if I was one of the bandits that was in on the robbery of football in 2003. I would always be looking over my shoulder because one day the robbery victim might come back to get his revenge. So, watch your back.

i dont know what that means, but it sounds vaguely like a personal threat. i would advise you against that. i hope im incorrect in my assessment of its meaning.

Yep, you're incorrect in your assessment of its meaning .... as usual.
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(01-12-2012 11:03 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  You wish...........

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if you want to pin the hopes and dreams of reinstating football to etsu on football's attendance (past or future lofty prognostications) you are in for the big hurt...

Again, you're assessment of what I've been saying is incorrect and not even close to the topic .. which, of course, is your way of ducking, dodging, and diving when you cannot refute the facts of the topic ... or, you just change the topics introduced by others so to fit your assessments.
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(01-12-2012 10:14 PM)BucNut22 Wrote:  BTW, if we are willing to drop $2 million on a Tennis facility we should have NO qualms about spending the necessary funds on facilities upgrades/creation for football (many of which can also be used by other sports). It isn't the most aesthetic but there's no reason why we can't double dip and build an outdoor track and football stadium together. The track should have been built along with the communist kickball stadium but that would actually require foresight and good management so we`re left having to do it in the future.

There you are .... and I'm still searching for the results of the student vote on this one. Anyone know where the results might be found ... maybe Stanton is leaving with them still sealed?
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Soccer was huge in North Korea, according to the late Kim Jong Il they WON the World Cup!
Nowhere in my post did I say I just want to play football, nowhere. You're putting words in my mouth that simply are untrue and make you out to be the incompetent horse's ass you are. Hell, you live in Memphis, you're most likely the typical Memphian who looks down on the end of the state that doesn't have places like "the Murder Mall" or bars on every liquor store in town (Got friends in the whiskey industry down there, 90 percent of the stores have bars), so why are you even bothering with this? Enjoy your great existence in West Tennessee with Mud Island, a Bass Pro that looks like a pyramid and one of the higher crime rates in the south. No need in bothering us poor, dumb folk east of Jackson.
Now, back to the weight room. There simply is no need in having separate weight rooms YET. ETSU athletics isn't big enough and won't be for years to come, so having an outstanding weight facility for all sports would not be that difficult to accomplish, as monies from every sport could easily go to either renovating inside that giant practice facility we call the dome or possibly building a new one somewhere else. After becoming somewhat of an HGTV addict as a homeowner, renovation is so much more cost effective and space would be easy to come by in that cave. It wouldn't just be playing, it would be winning.
Lastly, you're proof of the mentality in Memphis as to why Tiger athletics will never have long term success, even though the potential is there in regards to location and corporate partnerships that would put them on an SEC level. Simply put, you're too damn stupid to see past next week. Zero forward vision. None, not a bit.
As for soccer,
Italy was a socialist country until they gutted Mussolini and his mistress in the street, there's a man in Johnson County who was there if he's still alive.
England was a monarchy and the royal family still has token power though they've not used it since WWII.
Japan is a Constitutional monarchy - though the emperor has limited authority.
China, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam are all communist countries that play soccer.
Non Communist countries but are RAN BY COMMUNISTS include:
Nepal, Brazil, Ukraine, Uruguay, Sri Lanka, Peru, South Africa (hosted the last World Cup), to name a few.
Let's not rehash the soccer debate as a world sport again, it's simply not worth it and there are too many articles out there about its' unruly fans and corruption; and quite frankly it's not germaine to the discussion.
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and quite frankly it's not germaine to the discussion.

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what the hell do the german's have to do with it???
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(01-13-2012 08:57 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 09:31 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 05:39 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 11:36 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 11:22 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  The room was perfectly well supporting division 1AA football as of 2003. Have to think that $200K would be more than enough renovation to get it going again. "Mr. Can't" will always find ways NOT to do anything.

let me rephrase then for 81. yes, we can do it for 200K. lets take from the other sports so they are left with less resources to succeed, and half-ass a wt room for a football program that has very little success....nice to know the old etsu football mentality is still alive and well.

Slappy, I would be concerned also about "taking from the other sports" if I was one of the bandits that was in on the robbery of football in 2003. I would always be looking over my shoulder because one day the robbery victim might come back to get his revenge. So, watch your back.

i dont know what that means, but it sounds vaguely like a personal threat. i would advise you against that. i hope im incorrect in my assessment of its meaning.

Yep, you're incorrect in your assessment of its meaning .... as usual.

kindly explain please 66, so i can understand...
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There are no veiled threats on here moron. Go change your (not you're) underwear, wipe yourself and don't worry. Nobody is looking to rob anybody on here, though somewhere in life I feel you were robbed of your (Still not you're, but a great proper use of your) dignity.
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(01-13-2012 10:21 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  and quite frankly it's not germaine to the discussion.

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what the hell do the german's have to do with it???

You appear to be much taller on the message board.
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(01-13-2012 10:15 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Soccer was huge in North Korea, according to the late Kim Jong Il they WON the World Cup!
Nowhere in my post did I say I just want to play football, nowhere. You're putting words in my mouth that simply are untrue and make you out to be the incompetent horse's ass you are. Hell, you live in Memphis, you're most likely the typical Memphian who looks down on the end of the state that doesn't have places like "the Murder Mall" or bars on every liquor store in town (Got friends in the whiskey industry down there, 90 percent of the stores have bars), so why are you even bothering with this? Enjoy your great existence in West Tennessee with Mud Island, a Bass Pro that looks like a pyramid and one of the higher crime rates in the south. No need in bothering us poor, dumb folk east of Jackson.
Now, back to the weight room. There simply is no need in having separate weight rooms YET. ETSU athletics isn't big enough and won't be for years to come, so having an outstanding weight facility for all sports would not be that difficult to accomplish, as monies from every sport could easily go to either renovating inside that giant practice facility we call the dome or possibly building a new one somewhere else. After becoming somewhat of an HGTV addict as a homeowner, renovation is so much more cost effective and space would be easy to come by in that cave. It wouldn't just be playing, it would be winning.
Lastly, you're proof of the mentality in Memphis as to why Tiger athletics will never have long term success, even though the potential is there in regards to location and corporate partnerships that would put them on an SEC level. Simply put, you're too damn stupid to see past next week. Zero forward vision. None, not a bit.
As for soccer,
Italy was a socialist country until they gutted Mussolini and his mistress in the street, there's a man in Johnson County who was there if he's still alive.
England was a monarchy and the royal family still has token power though they've not used it since WWII.
Japan is a Constitutional monarchy - though the emperor has limited authority.
China, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam are all communist countries that play soccer.
Non Communist countries but are RAN BY COMMUNISTS include:
Nepal, Brazil, Ukraine, Uruguay, Sri Lanka, Peru, South Africa (hosted the last World Cup), to name a few.
Let's not rehash the soccer debate as a world sport again, it's simply not worth it and there are too many articles out there about its' unruly fans and corruption; and quite frankly it's not germaine to the discussion.

I'll give you North Korea, didn't even think about them. So the emperor of Japan, and the Queen of England have some control huh, Brazil, etc., is ran by communists. That is some funny $#iT right there.

It is the logic of your statments. Let me run it another way.

College football is big predominantly in the south. Lets see what else was/is big and was predominant in the south....... the KKK, yes. So, I think I should associate college football with the KKK, I mean, they are both from the south eastern United States, there has to be a correlation.

So when is the new ETSU president going to restart Klanball? I know, we can have sheet day as a promotion. Now, for me personally, I would restrict it to white sheets. I know blue and gold sheets would show school spirit, but I personally think that tradition should mean more and the standard should be white.

Your communist argument makes as much sense as this, in fact I would argue that mine makes more sense. Think about it, there are more non-communist countries that play soccer than communist. Can anyone argue that college football is bigger in the south along with the KKK. I mean the SEC IS Klan country. Yes, Klanball it is.

To your other points:
* No, I'm not from Memphis, I am from Northeast Tennessee (to distinguish that I'm not from Knoxville). I did live in Memphis for 3.5 years, and I visit regularly. I can tell from your comments you know very little about the city or the school.

* You question my intelligence, and call me stupid. I have an above average IQ (tested above average every time), so, it appears that once again you are wrong. I also have multiple degrees, both from ETSU and from the U of M. I guess that will make me an elitist of some sort in your next attack.
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I thought Italy was a fascist country under Mussolini?
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(01-15-2012 04:09 PM)buc-wild Wrote:  I thought Italy was a fascist country under Mussolini?

lsten...buccanneerlover is NEVER wrong. just ask him. he is a legend in his own mind.

in this case, yes, fascist under mussolini...but he's still right
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