That another good one
tell ND to join for FB or leave
your not even BE fan, nor is ND in ACC for olympic sports

(12-27-2011 09:33 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  That another good one
tell ND to join for FB or leave
your not even BE fan, nor is ND in ACC for olympic sports

If ND joins the ACC it has to be all sports or no deal.

no deal, that's the point

(12-27-2011 10:13 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  no deal, that's the point

Yes, waiting for ND is what the ACC shouldn't do since they love to play hard to get. Move on if they want to string us along.

There's no rush for the ACC to go to 16 teams. If may be more than a decade before we expand again.

I agree that Notre Dame and Penn State are the top targets. They're worth waiting for unless something big changes and the ACC needs to expand again.

I'm not concerned about what the Big XII does. The ACC will always be a more attractive option to West Virginia, Rutgers and UConn than the Big XII is.

I don't think Temple will ever be invited to join the ACC. There are simply more attractive options in the Northeast.

Just to throw out a name I've not seen mentioned. Tulane. Very good private school in New Orleans, one of the South's largest media markets. They're building a new football stadium and were members of both SEC and the old Southern Conference. They have a recruiting ground similiar to Miami's if they had the BCS tag to help them recruit. Might take the ACC going to 20 teams before they're included but who would have thought 16 team conferences were realistic 20 years ago?

I hope the ACC(Tobacco Road), wait! It's more important, to wait and see what UMass will become. There Basketball looks like it's on its way back, Playing in Gillette, Boston Market, Natural Rival to Boston College! The 15 team will no doubt be Notre Dame! Penn State is still in a tricky position. Uconn has always been the 3rd Best option at 15th. Eff, Rutgers. Leave NYC to SH. Umass will be a better option. Money is important and UMass, deserves a shot, if they can handle the pressure. I mean, isn't their tv rights locked into the Big Ten Network, till 2030? I know, I haven't posted in months. But I promised my boy Joey I would post today. I just wish the ACC Board could get poppin, like the Big East Board was poppin. Follow me on Twitter:@cuse315town

welcome back CTW... the best way to get this place poppin is by posting and not waiting for others to make it active.

I just don't see the rush to 16. I'd rather wait and get the best 2 options down the road than just grabbing 2 schools to get to 16 tomorrow.

There shouldn't be a rush to get to 16. That's a media creation. That said, we need to wait for ND; otherwise stay at 14.

I know it won't happen, but I would like them to add Louisville and West Virginia if ND is out of the picture or one of those with ND. They are about the only schools in the South that can be added and I would rather see more southern teams than NE teams.

Best 2 options are already out there.
no network, conf, bowls or NCAA are gonna be able to force ND into conf
ND to valueable a property & can call thier bluff.

small chance at Penn St is decimated school kicked out of B-10

The real deal is learn from BE, strenghten conf to hold off B-10 & SEC
weather that 14 or 16

Yes this is a serious post. I vote for University of...Toronto.

396 Miles from Syracuse. SU to BC is 307 miles. Pitt (364), MD (363), UVa (368) are approximately the same distance.
5th most populous city in North America.
8.1 million in Greater Toronto Area (~25% of the Canadian population)
23 mens sports, 24 womens sports (they play all mens and womens ACC sports including LAX)
33,318 undergrads, 12,732 post grads
Ranked #23 in world academically. For reference Duke is #19 internationally, #10 in US.
$845 million research budget

The negatives
Tiny athletic budget (yet they manage 47 sports!)
Small but decent facilities
They play the Canadian version of some sports (football)
They would need major changes to join NCAA.

I believe the WOW factor of the ACC being the first international conference combined with the academics and market would make them a great add.

Fair warning - the faculty lady is scary! http://www.utoronto.ca/
Athletics page - http://www.varsityblues.ca/

U of Toronto would be good move
MAC has been talking about them for yrs
I believe the biggest hang up was thier athletic programs are more
like intermurails than feeder programs for pro's & olympics

Does Toronto play American rules football or Canadian rules football? That makes a bit of difference.

A more interesting question to me is if the Big 12 comes looking at Rutgers would the ACC grab them first like they did with Pitt? It is obvious that the ACC doesn't want to share their footprint with any other conferences. They already share the SC, GA, & FL with the SEC and PA with the Big 10. The fact that Pitt was in serious talks with the Big 12 had more to do with the ACC grabbing them than any grudge BC held against UConn IMHO.

(12-28-2011 10:02 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Yes this is a serious post. I vote for University of...Toronto.

396 Miles from Syracuse. SU to BC is 307 miles. Pitt (364), MD (363), UVa (368) are approximately the same distance.
5th most populous city in North America.
8.1 million in Greater Toronto Area (~25% of the Canadian population)
23 mens sports, 24 womens sports (they play all mens and womens ACC sports including LAX)
33,318 undergrads, 12,732 post grads
Ranked #23 in world academically. For reference Duke is #19 internationally, #10 in US.
$845 million research budget

The negatives
Tiny athletic budget (yet they manage 47 sports!)
Small but decent facilities
They play the Canadian version of some sports (football)
They would need major changes to join NCAA.

I believe the WOW factor of the ACC being the first international conference combined with the academics and market would make them a great add.

Fair warning - the faculty lady is scary! http://www.utoronto.ca/
Athletics page - http://www.varsityblues.ca/

I did a little research and here is what I have found.

1. They play Canadian rules not American rules.
2. Their home attendance is about 1300-1400 per game. They are never going to draw the 15K minimum that the NCAA requires.

For the life of me I have no idea what everyone’s infatuation with Rutgers is? Their football program, with the exception of 1 season in the last 10 years has been average at best. They are 65 – 58 .528 winning %, 28 – 41 .405 % in the Big East. Take out the 11 – 2 season in 2006 and they are 54 – 57 .486 winning %. The basketball program is worse! Over the last 10 seasons they are 141 – 168 .456 winning %, and in the Big East they are 46 – 122 .273 winning %. They are not even a spec on the New York City sports radar, rarely getting press in the NYC or Northern NJ markets. People keep talking about the Big 12 wanting them, the ACC wanting them, I don’t understand it. Trust me, I’m NOT knocking the team, but their record is what it is, consistently bad in basketball, and with the exception of 2006 consistently below average in football.

(12-28-2011 12:34 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Does Toronto play American rules football or Canadian rules football? That makes a bit of difference.

A more interesting question to me is if the Big 12 comes looking at Rutgers would the ACC grab them first like they did with Pitt? It is obvious that the ACC doesn't want to share their footprint with any other conferences. They already share the SC, GA, & FL with the SEC and PA with the Big 10. The fact that Pitt was in serious talks with the Big 12 had more to do with the ACC grabbing them than any grudge BC held against UConn IMHO.

Yes, Toronto plays Canadian versions of many sports.

If the B10/B12 were to make a move toward Rutgers, Notre Dame would still be the determining factor. They might (emphasize might) be willing to give up Rutgers if they thought they had a shot at ND. I would hope not. With RU and Uconn the ACC would cover 36% of the US population.

I agree, I don't think BC had as much influence on Pitt vs Uconn as they would like to think.

Toronto would have to grow in the MAC
candaian schools & american schools have different philophies on athletics

intresting point on Rutgers, I always wondered who would make move on NYC
B-10 or ACC

Tulane is an interesting option..but they will be available 5 years from now. Let them build their new stadium and see if they can build a fan base. I was at the Cuse@Tulane game in October. Cuse had close to 2000 fans there...Tulane had close to 2000 fans there. You see an issue, right? LOL

Academics...>Tulane is a no brainer
Location...>Real nice add for the Deep South ACC teams and a great travel desitination for all ACC fans
Fan Base...>it is virtually non existant

I would prefer Notre Dame as my first choice followed by Penn State.
Both ND and PSU are unlikely to join so I would go for Rutgers and UConn.
Rutgers is the state school for New Jersey. A big population there plus good recruiting grounds for football.
I do not think the ACC should wait around for this as the B1G could always scoop both Rutgers and UConn up.
If Notre Dame wants to be school 17 after Rutgers and UConn have joined then fine add them and one other school possibly Louisville, Cinncinati or WVU.

(12-29-2011 01:41 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I would prefer Notre Dame as my first choice followed by Penn State.
Both ND and PSU are unlikely to join so I would go for Rutgers and UConn.
Rutgers is the state school for New Jersey. A big population there plus good recruiting grounds for football.
I do not think the ACC should wait around for this as the B1G could always scoop both Rutgers and UConn up.
If Notre Dame wants to be school 17 after Rutgers and UConn have joined then fine add them and one other school possibly Louisville, Cinncinati or WVU.

Of the top 61 NJ football recruits RU has landed 8. Some still haven’t decided but at this point that’s barely 13%. http://247sports.com/Recruit/State-Ranki...ootball/NJ I’m not haten on Rutgers it just is what it is, the facts are the facts.