I was nice, Stookey, and you know it. You've seen me not be nice...

(12-26-2011 11:20 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:18 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:08 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 10:14 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The BEast brand is known. The main problem is that it's known as the weakest of all the BCS conferences, and there's constant debate about removing AQ status from the conference. If that's the brand The BEast wants, more power to 'em. But I think it's kind of self-defeating...

Maybe if a certain team hadn't choked when they had a shot at the national title the brand would be stronger...

WVU has 2 BCS bowl WINS, which is twice as many as the nearest BEast competitor - and as many as the ENTIRE ACC has during the ENTIRE BCS era. So don't talk about WVU not holding up their end of the bargain. Nobody has a case there, since nobody else is close...

BTW, how many BCS appearances has SDSU made? Oh wait, you have none. Never mind...

SDSU and the other newbs also aren't responsible for the percieved lack of of football strength in this conference. The three departing teams own that as much as the teams being left behind...

SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s.
Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU all do.

(12-26-2011 04:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:20 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:18 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:08 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 10:14 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The BEast brand is known. The main problem is that it's known as the weakest of all the BCS conferences, and there's constant debate about removing AQ status from the conference. If that's the brand The BEast wants, more power to 'em. But I think it's kind of self-defeating...

Maybe if a certain team hadn't choked when they had a shot at the national title the brand would be stronger...

WVU has 2 BCS bowl WINS, which is twice as many as the nearest BEast competitor - and as many as the ENTIRE ACC has during the ENTIRE BCS era. So don't talk about WVU not holding up their end of the bargain. Nobody has a case there, since nobody else is close...

BTW, how many BCS appearances has SDSU made? Oh wait, you have none. Never mind...

SDSU and the other newbs also aren't responsible for the percieved lack of of football strength in this conference. The three departing teams own that as much as the teams being left behind...

SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s.
Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU all do.

Don Coryell would disagree but SDSU isn't the topic of discussion here now is it?

(12-26-2011 04:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:20 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:18 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:08 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 10:14 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The BEast brand is known. The main problem is that it's known as the weakest of all the BCS conferences, and there's constant debate about removing AQ status from the conference. If that's the brand The BEast wants, more power to 'em. But I think it's kind of self-defeating...

Maybe if a certain team hadn't choked when they had a shot at the national title the brand would be stronger...

WVU has 2 BCS bowl WINS, which is twice as many as the nearest BEast competitor - and as many as the ENTIRE ACC has during the ENTIRE BCS era. So don't talk about WVU not holding up their end of the bargain. Nobody has a case there, since nobody else is close...

BTW, how many BCS appearances has SDSU made? Oh wait, you have none. Never mind...

SDSU and the other newbs also aren't responsible for the percieved lack of of football strength in this conference. The three departing teams own that as much as the teams being left behind...

SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s.
Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU all do.

No football history for the Aztecs? Have you ever heard of Don Coryell and what he did here when the Aztecs went D1?

How about Claude Gilbert that replaced Don Coryell?

Did you know there are about 8 or so NFL coaches that spent time at SDSU?

Do you know how many pros San Diego State has put in the NFL since they became D1?
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Coryell record in 12 years as Aztecs head football coach...

104-14-2 (You ever hear of Joe Gibbs and John Madden. The coached under Coryell in this period)
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Claude Gilbert as Aztec head football coach following Coryell...

61-26-2 in the following 7 years after Coryell.
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Aztecs football record for 19 straight years...165-40-4.

No History?

Coryell left when the AFL started play in 1960. You're talking ancient history...

(12-26-2011 06:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Coryell left when the AFL started play in 1960. You're talking ancient history...

Coryell left San Diego State around 1972.

While that may be back a while, the person above posted this...

"SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s."

History is history and this poster was incorrect.

BEast 10 (unless we actually end up with 10 teams).

(12-26-2011 06:46 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Coryell left when the AFL started play in 1960. You're talking ancient history...

Coryell left San Diego State around 1972.

While that may be back a while, the person above posted this...

"SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s."

History is history and this poster was incorrect.

Come on. Coaches circulate widely, by that standard every program that has been around for a long time has a history. Bottom line is you guys have one legit IA bowl win, thats not much history.

(12-26-2011 09:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:46 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Coryell left when the AFL started play in 1960. You're talking ancient history...

Coryell left San Diego State around 1972.

While that may be back a while, the person above posted this...

"SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s."

History is history and this poster was incorrect.

Come on. Coaches circulate widely, by that standard every program that has been around for a long time has a history. Bottom line is you guys have one legit IA bowl win, thats not much history.

165-40-2 over a 19 year period. THAT is football History.

(12-26-2011 11:09 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 09:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:46 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Coryell left when the AFL started play in 1960. You're talking ancient history...

Coryell left San Diego State around 1972.

While that may be back a while, the person above posted this...

"SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s."

History is history and this poster was incorrect.

Come on. Coaches circulate widely, by that standard every program that has been around for a long time has a history. Bottom line is you guys have one legit IA bowl win, thats not much history.

165-40-2 over a 19 year period. THAT is football History.

Quo shoots from the hip and uses his "opinons" and "subjective thought" on things rather than things like facts....case in point. He thinks losing Pitt/Cuse/WVA is like losing Ohio State, USC, and Bama. Never mind 2 of the 3 havn't done dick in forever on the grid iron. His "perception" is they are bigger than they really are. Nevermind we were called the Big Least WITH those three schools. That's all he needs...his perception and his keyboard.

(12-26-2011 11:09 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 09:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:46 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Coryell left when the AFL started play in 1960. You're talking ancient history...

Coryell left San Diego State around 1972.

While that may be back a while, the person above posted this...

"SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s."

History is history and this poster was incorrect.

Come on. Coaches circulate widely, by that standard every program that has been around for a long time has a history. Bottom line is you guys have one legit IA bowl win, thats not much history.

165-40-2 over a 19 year period. THAT is football History.

Against who? Small-time football.

(12-26-2011 11:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:09 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 09:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:46 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Coryell left when the AFL started play in 1960. You're talking ancient history...

Coryell left San Diego State around 1972.

While that may be back a while, the person above posted this...

"SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s."

History is history and this poster was incorrect.

Come on. Coaches circulate widely, by that standard every program that has been around for a long time has a history. Bottom line is you guys have one legit IA bowl win, thats not much history.

165-40-2 over a 19 year period. THAT is football History.

Quo shoots from the hip and uses his "opinons" and "subjective thought" on things rather than things like facts....case in point. He thinks losing Pitt/Cuse/WVA is like losing Ohio State, USC, and Bama. Never mind 2 of the 3 havn't done dick in forever on the grid iron. His "perception" is they are bigger than they really are. Nevermind we were called the Big Least WITH those three schools. That's all he needs...his perception and his keyboard.

LOL ... talk about shooting from the hip. Ive always described pitt, syr, and wvu as second-tier brand names, not first-tier like USC, etc. ... But the point is that even though they are second tier, they were the most prominent football names we had. Losing them and replacing them with lower-tier programs is a big step down and as you note, we were already at the bottom of the major conference pecking order.

In every raid, the perception of The BEast has taken a hit. The BEast leadership got blindsided both times. MT in the first raid. In this latest raid, they caught Marinatto on camera, looking dumbfounded and lost just prior to the WVU-UMD game, when he heard about Pitt and Syracuse heading to the ACC. The leadership of The BEast has looked stupid both times. That certainly doesn't help...

In each raid, The BEast lost major eastern AQ football powers, and replaced them with teams from non-AQ conferences. The national perception of The BEast dropped with each raid. That didn't help perception-wise. Although it did work out on the field...

After each raid there is talk of removing The BEast's AQ status. WVU and Louisville prevented that from happening the last time. UC tried to do the same later on. But 2 losses in BCS bowl games hurt our perception again. With WVU leaving, somebody else will have to step up now, or schools could have moved to The BEast for a reason that no longer exists by the time they start BEast conference play...

(12-26-2011 11:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:09 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 09:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:46 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Coryell left when the AFL started play in 1960. You're talking ancient history...

Coryell left San Diego State around 1972.

While that may be back a while, the person above posted this...

"SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s."

History is history and this poster was incorrect.

Come on. Coaches circulate widely, by that standard every program that has been around for a long time has a history. Bottom line is you guys have one legit IA bowl win, thats not much history.

165-40-2 over a 19 year period. THAT is football History.

Quo shoots from the hip and uses his "opinons" and "subjective thought" on things rather than things like facts....case in point. He thinks losing Pitt/Cuse/WVA is like losing Ohio State, USC, and Bama. Never mind 2 of the 3 havn't done dick in forever on the grid iron. His "perception" is they are bigger than they really are. Nevermind we were called the Big Least WITH those three schools. That's all he needs...his perception and his keyboard.

Correct, history is history. All but about 5 years of that 19 years were D1.

It doesn't really matter who we played (although we beat a few Top 20 teams in those days and easily and UCLA/USC avoided us like the plauge). When you talk about Aztec football history, you can't ignore 165-40-2 over a 19 year period. THAT is football History.

If SDSU had that record playing a Pac Tin schedule, I'd agree with you, dude...

(12-27-2011 09:44 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  In each raid, The BEast lost major eastern AQ football powers, and replaced them with teams from non-AQ conferences. The national perception of The BEast dropped with each raid.

Yes, and this is the fundamental fact that the cheerleaders for the "New Big East" keep forgetting or are willfully blind too.

No amount of hand-waving can dull the fact that picking up Houston, SMU, Boise, SDSU, and UCF doesn't come close to making up for losing WVU, Syracuse, and Pitt from a national-perception perspective, in either basketball or football. Make no mistake, this latest shift in membership was a disaster for the Big East.

And the thing is, our national rep as a major conference was already about rock-bottom before it happened.

(12-27-2011 02:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 09:44 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  In each raid, The BEast lost major eastern AQ football powers, and replaced them with teams from non-AQ conferences. The national perception of The BEast dropped with each raid.

Yes, and this is the fundamental fact that the cheerleaders for the "New Big East" keep forgetting or are willfully blind too.

No amount of hand-waving can dull the fact that picking up Houston, SMU, Boise, SDSU, and UCF doesn't come close to making up for losing WVU, Syracuse, and Pitt from a national-perception perspective, in either basketball or football. Make no mistake, this latest shift in membership was a disaster for the Big East.

And the thing is, our national rep as a major conference was already about rock-bottom before it happened.

I wouldn't say they are willfully blind to anything. I'd say it was school pride that makes them hope they can pull off another miracle for The BEast. After all, UC, UofL, and USF helped The BEast's perception more so than Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse. Nobody would have predicted that in 2004...

(12-27-2011 06:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 11:09 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 09:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-26-2011 06:46 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  Coryell left San Diego State around 1972.

While that may be back a while, the person above posted this...

"SDSU has no history of football success, absolutely none. You are known for exactly one thing, hosting marshall faulk in the early 90s."

History is history and this poster was incorrect.

Come on. Coaches circulate widely, by that standard every program that has been around for a long time has a history. Bottom line is you guys have one legit IA bowl win, thats not much history.

165-40-2 over a 19 year period. THAT is football History.

Quo shoots from the hip and uses his "opinons" and "subjective thought" on things rather than things like facts....case in point. He thinks losing Pitt/Cuse/WVA is like losing Ohio State, USC, and Bama. Never mind 2 of the 3 havn't done dick in forever on the grid iron. His "perception" is they are bigger than they really are. Nevermind we were called the Big Least WITH those three schools. That's all he needs...his perception and his keyboard.

LOL ... talk about shooting from the hip. Ive always described pitt, syr, and wvu as second-tier brand names, not first-tier like USC, etc. ... But the point is that even though they are second tier, they were the most prominent football names we had. Losing them and replacing them with lower-tier programs is a big step down and as you note, we were already at the bottom of the major conference pecking order.

we were already the "big least" WITH pitt/cuse/wva...how much lower can you get from that point? Will our new name be the "really big least"?

(12-27-2011 12:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If SDSU had that record playing a Pac Tin schedule, I'd agree with you, dude...

Pac Tin, I like it.

Hey, a fair question would be what team in the nation has went 160-40-2 in D1 with ANY schedule. There couldn't be more than a handful.

I understand it was a long time ago, but that record is impressive at any level of football, and expecially at any level of D1 football.

(12-27-2011 12:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If SDSU had that record playing a Pac Tin schedule, I'd agree with you, dude...

So is Boise's record over the last decade invalid since they did a majority of the damage in a ****** WAC?