(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

If you can't beat a short-handed, meh Purdue team coached by Danny Hope in your own backyard during a "weak period" for the conference.....then that really doesn't say much about the MAC.

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

(12-27-2011 09:07 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  If you can't beat a short-handed, meh Purdue team coached by Danny Hope in your own backyard during a "weak period" for the conference.....then that really doesn't say much about the MAC.

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

Just saying that a so-so MAC team played a very close game against a so-so Big-10 team. Purdue wasn't one of the dregs of the conference, more middle-of-the-road. So that makes the MAC closer in ability to the Big 10 than they usually are. Whether that's due to the MAC being better or the Big10 being worse doesn't matter that much.

Purdue must love this bowl game. They are 2-0 in it against Michigan MAC schools.

WMU couldn't have really played much worse. SEVEN turnovers and what a fitting end for them to turn it over on their last drive that could have won them the game.

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

That's a pretty damning indictment of the MAC then. We finished 1-11 against the Big Ten this year.

(12-27-2011 09:46 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

That's a pretty damning indictment of the MAC then. We finished 1-11 against the Big Ten this year.

Well, you can't take the worst MAC teams against the Big 10 and expect them to win, and you can't take the best MAC teams, and expect them to beat the best Big 10 teams. But all the other games could go either way. And of course, they're pretty much all at the Big10 stadiums.

And all in one nice 3.5 hour package, why Western is a 5 to 7 win MAC team every year. Explosive passing, questionable decisions by players and coaches, porous defense, poor special teams. What you see is what you get with this head coach. At this point, I shrug my shoulders and concentrate on hockey.

Pretty much agree with the overall sentiment in this thread and bronconick's summed up analysis. While I'd still take a game like this over the drubbing we got in the Texas Bowl a few years ago, the open sores were there to see. Cubit's playcalling at short yardage situations and Carder's "I need to pass whether something is there or not" pretty much sealed our fate in this one. And falling for the trick onside kick twice... ugh.

Fact is, Purdue is still a Big Ten team with a much larger athletic financial pool and far greater access to blue chip recruits. Yet it managed to beat a "meh" WMU by 5 points, even with the help of two trick onside kicks.

(12-27-2011 09:07 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  If you can't beat a short-handed, meh Purdue team coached by Danny Hope in your own backyard during a "weak period" for the conference.....then that really doesn't say much about the MAC.

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

(12-27-2011 09:46 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

That's a pretty damning indictment of the MAC then. We finished 1-11 against the Big Ten this year.

Purdue was the Big Ten #8. Who was the MAC #8 Eastern Michigan?

EMU beat WMU. The MAC should have sent them as its representative.

(12-28-2011 12:28 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Fact is, Purdue is still a Big Ten team with a much larger athletic financial pool and far greater access to blue chip recruits. Yet it managed to beat a "meh" WMU by 5 points, even with the help of two trick onside kicks.

(12-27-2011 09:07 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  If you can't beat a short-handed, meh Purdue team coached by Danny Hope in your own backyard during a "weak period" for the conference.....then that really doesn't say much about the MAC.

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

Yea, and I'm not arguing that. In fact I agree, with all the stuff Purdue pulled off and still only won by 5 against a 7-5 MAC team. We know Indiana and Minnesota are both worse, maybe Illinois too.

See, this is the problem with having too many bowl games. Purdue is in a no-win situation here.

If they beat WMU convincingly; it is because: they were suppose to, they have more resources, they are from a bigger conference, insert any other excuse here.

If they struggle to beat WMU; it is because: the Big 10 sucks, Bill Culbit is really a covert Purdue coach and threw the game, the Big 10 sucks, Purdue got lucky and had to use trick plays, WMU didn't want to be there, did I mention that the Big 10 is the Death Star

If they lost to WMU.........well, I'm sure we would hear how much the Big 10 sucks.

A meh Purdue team beat a meh WMU team in Detroit. Nothing more, nothing less.

(12-28-2011 12:28 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Fact is, Purdue is still a Big Ten team with a much larger athletic financial pool and far greater access to blue chip recruits. Yet it managed to beat a "meh" WMU by 5 points, even with the help of two trick onside kicks.

(12-27-2011 09:07 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  If you can't beat a short-handed, meh Purdue team coached by Danny Hope in your own backyard during a "weak period" for the conference.....then that really doesn't say much about the MAC.

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

(12-27-2011 08:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Disappointing finish. Didn't even get a chance to march down the field. The game gives an idea of the weakness of the Big 10 though. WMU was, what, 5-3 in conference? And Purdue was 4-4 with wins over Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio State. And this game could have gone either way. A couple less turnovers or better coverage on on-side kicks and WMU wins.

The announcers kept saying how they were mostly keeping WMU in check. They did score 32 points and every time you looked up White was catching a pass 20 yards downfield. Not sure what they were looking at.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

(12-28-2011 03:18 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  See, this is the problem with having too many bowl games. Purdue is in a no-win situation here.

If they beat WMU convincingly; it is because: they were suppose to, they have more resources, they are from a bigger conference, insert any other excuse here.

If they struggle to beat WMU; it is because: the Big 10 sucks, Bill Culbit is really a covert Purdue coach and threw the game, the Big 10 sucks, Purdue got lucky and had to use trick plays, WMU didn't want to be there, did I mention that the Big 10 is the Death Star

If they lost to WMU.........well, I'm sure we would hear how much the Big 10 sucks.

A meh Purdue team beat a meh WMU team in Detroit. Nothing more, nothing less.

(12-28-2011 12:28 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Fact is, Purdue is still a Big Ten team with a much larger athletic financial pool and far greater access to blue chip recruits. Yet it managed to beat a "meh" WMU by 5 points, even with the help of two trick onside kicks.

(12-27-2011 09:07 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  If you can't beat a short-handed, meh Purdue team coached by Danny Hope in your own backyard during a "weak period" for the conference.....then that really doesn't say much about the MAC.

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

That might be true. But the Big Ten Sucks

(12-28-2011 03:18 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  See, this is the problem with having too many bowl games. Purdue is in a no-win situation here.

If they beat WMU convincingly; it is because: they were suppose to, they have more resources, they are from a bigger conference, insert any other excuse here.

If they struggle to beat WMU; it is because: the Big 10 sucks, Bill Culbit is really a covert Purdue coach and threw the game, the Big 10 sucks, Purdue got lucky and had to use trick plays, WMU didn't want to be there, did I mention that the Big 10 is the Death Star

If they lost to WMU.........well, I'm sure we would hear how much the Big 10 sucks.

A meh Purdue team beat a meh WMU team in Detroit. Nothing more, nothing less.

(12-28-2011 12:28 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Fact is, Purdue is still a Big Ten team with a much larger athletic financial pool and far greater access to blue chip recruits. Yet it managed to beat a "meh" WMU by 5 points, even with the help of two trick onside kicks.

(12-27-2011 09:07 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  If you can't beat a short-handed, meh Purdue team coached by Danny Hope in your own backyard during a "weak period" for the conference.....then that really doesn't say much about the MAC.

(12-27-2011 09:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 08:59 PM)NIUboiler Wrote:  Huh? Did you really need to watch the LCPB to come to this conclusion? I didn't know it was a mystery that the Big 10 was subpar this year.

I meant if you didn't already know they were weak. And I'm not just talking about this year. They've been weak for a while.

Well, that's what happens when your dear leader says your whole football conference is a "murderer's row". LOL

The Big Ten sucks because their fans act like they're god's gift to college football then go 0-5 on New Year's Day and get outscored 204-102. At least the SEC backs up their obnoxious talk.